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Title: Diamond Stone
Post by: Marquette Fan in WI on February 26, 2013, 12:40:32 AM
Was in attendance tonight.  Saw him and some friends as I was leaving.  Nice game for him to attend.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: muhoops1 on February 26, 2013, 06:10:01 AM
He attends quite a few
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 26, 2013, 06:25:11 AM
Hopefully he thought "if Buzz can get 2-star DG to play like that, what can he do with a 5-star player?"
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: macman320 on February 26, 2013, 08:10:22 AM
As a friend pointed out, nice for Stone to see us using two centers at once.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 26, 2013, 08:26:32 AM
In addition to Stone..

Mark Miller ‏@WisBBYearbook
Neenah sophomore Matt Heldt among potential recruits at the Marquette vs. Syracuse game tonight at the BMO Harris Center.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Matt-Heldt-143331

6'10"  215lbs
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on February 26, 2013, 08:28:46 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 26, 2013, 08:26:32 AM
In addition to Stone..

Mark Miller ‏@WisBBYearbook
Neenah sophomore Matt Heldt among potential recruits at the Marquette vs. Syracuse game tonight at the BMO Harris Center.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Matt-Heldt-143331

6'10"  215lbs

Neenah huh?  Must be a traditional and we all know buzz dont recruit traditionals
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Chili on February 26, 2013, 08:53:16 AM
Quote from: muhoops1 on February 26, 2013, 06:10:01 AM
He attends quite a few

He was there with Duane...who he is good friends with...and Duane talks to him about MU...a lot.....
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Schmidtyfactor on February 26, 2013, 08:58:07 AM
Neenah? Where the hell is Neenah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqw7D-6W5kQ
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: martyconlonontherun on February 26, 2013, 09:00:16 AM
Wouldn't mind heldt if we lucked into stone. Could be a real solid center after stone leaves.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Sunbelt15 on February 26, 2013, 09:08:38 AM
Don't know him. Is he more athletic than Otule?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: muhoops1 on February 26, 2013, 10:01:46 AM
Quote from: Chili on February 26, 2013, 08:53:16 AM
He was there with Duane...who he is good friends with...and Duane talks to him about MU...a lot.....

Yes.  My sons got a pic with them after the LSU game.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: We R Final Four on February 26, 2013, 10:05:04 AM
Quote from: Schmidtyfactor on February 26, 2013, 08:58:07 AM
Neenah? Where the hell is Neenah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqw7D-6W5kQ

Née-haw. That's funny.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on February 26, 2013, 10:11:07 AM
When does Stone plan to commit?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: keefe on February 26, 2013, 10:14:07 AM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 26, 2013, 10:11:07 AM
When does Stone plan to commit?

At the end of his official to UNC
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: jficke13 on February 26, 2013, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: keefe on February 26, 2013, 10:14:07 AM
At the end of his official to UNC

When is is official to UNC?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 26, 2013, 10:19:10 AM
Who cares.  The last guy who left Wisconsin to play at UNC is averaging 3 points per game on an unranked team.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: augoman on February 26, 2013, 12:03:23 PM
Stone's there a lot..., usually sits w Duane and others.  Several high school coaches there too.  West Division coach wears Marquette colors every game.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: 77ncaachamps on February 26, 2013, 12:08:25 PM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 26, 2013, 10:19:10 AM
Who cares.  The last guy who left Wisconsin to play at UNC is averaging 3 points per game on an unranked team.

This.

The grass sometimes isn't greener than your own backyard.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Coleman on February 26, 2013, 12:19:33 PM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 26, 2013, 12:08:25 PM
This.

The grass sometimes isn't greener than your own backyard cracked sidewalk.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on February 26, 2013, 02:08:25 PM
77 is correct.  The grass isn't always greener out of state.  I believe Stone would be very successful at Marquette because of the strong local and state fan support.   Marquette is a proven winning program.  He would fit right in.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Chili on February 26, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 26, 2013, 12:08:25 PM
This.

The grass sometimes isn't greener than your own backyard.

And some people *think* he may be rethinking his decision........
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: frozena pizza on February 26, 2013, 02:13:00 PM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 26, 2013, 12:08:25 PM
This.

The grass sometimes isn't greener than your own backyard.

Someone tell Looney.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: thebigjake on February 26, 2013, 02:16:07 PM
Quote from: Chili on February 26, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
And some people *think* he may be rethinking his decision........

Is this based on something or just blind speculation? We don't really have room for him, but it would be interesting nonetheless. Bucky fans would be intrigued for sure.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: JWags85 on February 26, 2013, 03:16:17 PM
Quote from: thebigjake on February 26, 2013, 02:16:07 PM
Is this based on something or just blind speculation? We don't really have room for him, but it would be interesting nonetheless. Bucky fans would be intrigued for sure.

After the way they turned on him?  Provided he didn't pay attention to the Badger fans bashing him after his decision and saying he was cowardly for how he informed Bo, they would look like hypocrites welcoming him home with open arms
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: keefe on February 26, 2013, 03:17:33 PM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 26, 2013, 10:19:10 AM
Who cares.  The last guy who left Wisconsin to play at UNC is averaging 3 points per game on an unranked team.

No, Joe Wolf's teams were ranked.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: keefe on February 26, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: Chili on February 26, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
And some people *think* he may be rethinking his decision........

Where'd you hear that? He's not leaving UNC. DeCourcey talked about him in Jan, saying how much he liked Chapel Hill.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Stronghold on February 26, 2013, 03:26:04 PM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 26, 2013, 12:08:25 PM
This.

The grass sometimes isn't greener than your own backyard.

The grass is greenest where you water it.  And right now I'm calling Buzz the Fireman.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: buckchuckler on February 26, 2013, 03:27:59 PM
Quote from: Stronghold on February 26, 2013, 03:26:04 PM
The grass is greenest where you water it.  And right now I'm calling Buzz the Fireman.

The grass is greenest where the dog pisses. 
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 26, 2013, 03:28:31 PM
Quote from: Stronghold on February 26, 2013, 03:26:04 PM
The grass is greenest where you water it.  And right now I'm calling Buzz the Fireman.

Justin Bieber reference?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Stronghold on February 26, 2013, 03:35:20 PM
Quote from: buckchuckler on February 26, 2013, 03:27:59 PM
The grass is greenest where the dog pisses. 

Dogs are too habitual of pissers and will eventually kill off the same spot they urinate on time after time.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: thebigjake on February 26, 2013, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: JWags85 on February 26, 2013, 03:16:17 PM
After the way they turned on him?  Provided he didn't pay attention to the Badger fans bashing him after his decision and saying he was cowardly for how he informed Bo, they would look like hypocrites welcoming him home with open arms

Sure they would. But they'd still kill to have him. Not sure how JP feels, though.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: esotericmindguy on February 26, 2013, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: buckchuckler on February 26, 2013, 03:27:59 PM
The grass is greenest where the dog pisses. 

You must not have a dog.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: warriorchick on February 26, 2013, 03:47:13 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 26, 2013, 03:38:04 PM
You must not have a dog.

Yeah, usually the grass dies.

Now, where it poops is a completely different matter.....
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: GGGG on February 26, 2013, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: JWags85 on February 26, 2013, 03:16:17 PM
After the way they turned on him?  Provided he didn't pay attention to the Badger fans bashing him after his decision and saying he was cowardly for how he informed Bo, they would look like hypocrites welcoming him home with open arms

Just because a few message board people bashed him, that is hardly representative of the entire fanbase.


Quote from: keefe on February 26, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
Where'd you hear that? He's not leaving UNC. DeCourcey talked about him in Jan, saying how much he liked Chapel Hill.

Do you think if he felt otherwise that he would announce it in an interview?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 26, 2013, 04:04:15 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 26, 2013, 03:48:19 PM
Do you think if he felt otherwise that he would announce it in an interview?

(I assume this is about Tokoto)

+1

averaging 3 points in 10 minutes per game this season .... and 5 minutes an 0.6 points in the last 5 games (26 total minutes and 3 total points) ... and given who UNC recruits (the top players) and given UNC's history of lots of transfers ... it is reasonable to think he will transfer.  Question is whether MU is a place he lands?



Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 26, 2013, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 26, 2013, 04:04:15 PM
(I assume this is about Tokoto)

+1

averaging 3 points in 10 minutes per game this season .... and 5 minutes an 0.6 points in the last 5 games (26 total minutes and 3 total points) ... and given who UNC recruits (the top players) and given UNC's history of lots of transfers ... it is reasonable to think he will transfer.  Question is whether MU is a place he lands?


I think we have to be careful here.  No one knows how this kid is feeling. If we use the stats as an indication, we should expect, maybe even believe it reasonable, that Jamal Ferguson and Derrick Wilson will be transferring from Marquette as they have comparable statistics. 
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 26, 2013, 04:21:59 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 26, 2013, 04:18:48 PM
I think we have to be careful here.  No one knows how this kid is feeling. If we use the stats as an indication, we should expect, maybe even believe it reasonable, that Jamal Ferguson and Derrick Wilson will be transferring from Marquette as they have comparable statistics. 

We are oversigned by 1 and a lot of people think this for the same reason as my comments about Tokoto.  That said, thinking it does not mean we want it to happen.  I would be very happy if both stayed but we all know someone has to get voted off the island.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: akmarq on February 26, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
Aren't we only oversigned by 1 if Otule stays for a 6th year? (or we get an incoming transfer)
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 26, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
Quote from: akmarq on February 26, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
Aren't we only oversigned by 1 if Otule stays for a 6th year? (or we get an incoming transfer)

The NCAA has cleared a 6th year for Otule (per the PT article today), Buzz wants him back and I think most fans do too.  But yes, if he, or anyone else decides not to play next year, then we are no longer over-signed.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: buckchuckler on February 26, 2013, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 26, 2013, 03:38:04 PM
You must not have a dog.

I sure do.  And a lovely green yard.  Well, not now...
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: brewcity77 on February 26, 2013, 04:57:51 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 26, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
The NCAA has cleared a 6th year for Otule (per the PT article today), Buzz wants him back and I think most fans do too.  But yes, if he, or anyone else decides not to play next year, then we are no longer over-signed.

They were saying he was cleared as far back as a year ago. Can't remember when Buzz first said it, but he seemed 100% confident in post-game interviews before the end of last season.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: NersEllenson on February 26, 2013, 05:57:00 PM
Back to the topic of Diamond Stone - he would be a HUGE get for Buzz and MU - and it seems to be a possibility.

The success of Davante Gardner, should be a great example/illustration, of how a big would be utilized and involved in Buzz's system - and can be showcased, and succeed, even if just a 2-3 star talent.

The time is drawing near where soon MU will need to be looked at as one of the blue bloods again in college hoop - hard to find 10 better programs over the past 10 years.....and Buzz has it rolling looking at what returns next year, along with what's coming in next year's freshman class. 

As Buzz calls it - "starting to reap compound interest."
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 26, 2013, 06:02:55 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 26, 2013, 04:57:51 PM
They were saying he was cleared as far back as a year ago. Can't remember when Buzz first said it, but he seemed 100% confident in post-game interviews before the end of last season.

Yes everyone was confident it would be approved ... The Paint Touch today was the first reference I was that said he was approved.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: jsglow on February 26, 2013, 06:39:52 PM
Stone is a Sophomore this year, correct?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: GGGG on February 26, 2013, 06:51:15 PM
Quote from: jsglow on February 26, 2013, 06:39:52 PM
Stone is a Sophomore this year, correct?

Yes.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: patso on February 26, 2013, 07:34:25 PM
I think Joe Wolf made the NBA but I think he would have developed a better game as a main cog at MU.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: GGGG on February 26, 2013, 08:07:55 PM
Quote from: patso on February 26, 2013, 07:34:25 PM
I think Joe Wolf made the NBA but I think he would have developed a better game as a main cog at MU.


He played 12 NBA seasons.  He did just fine for himself.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: 79Warrior on February 26, 2013, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 26, 2013, 04:04:15 PM
(I assume this is about Tokoto)

+1

averaging 3 points in 10 minutes per game this season .... and 5 minutes an 0.6 points in the last 5 games (26 total minutes and 3 total points) ... and given who UNC recruits (the top players) and given UNC's history of lots of transfers ... it is reasonable to think he will transfer.  Question is whether MU is a place he lands?



Doubt he transfers.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Norm on February 26, 2013, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 26, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
The NCAA has cleared a 6th year for Otule (per the PT article today), Buzz wants him back and I think most fans do too.  But yes, if he, or anyone else decides not to play next year, then we are no longer over-signed.
Is Jake Thomas a scholarship player? Could he afford to pay his own way?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: BCHoopster on February 26, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: Norm on February 26, 2013, 09:13:24 PM
Is Jake Thomas a scholarship player? Could he afford to pay his own way?

He is off scholarship next year, he has had 2 years, his day is over.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 26, 2013, 09:22:49 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 26, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
He is off scholarship next year, he has had 2 years, his day is over.

He came in as a walk-on and was ready to pay his way.  As luck would have it, MU had extra scholarships the last two years and he did not have to pay.  So, his family's finances are well ahead on this deal.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: wildbill sb on February 26, 2013, 09:32:32 PM
Jake Thomas played for MU last year?  Where was I?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 26, 2013, 09:34:13 PM
Quote from: wildbill sb on February 26, 2013, 09:32:32 PM
Jake Thomas played for MU last year?  Where was I?

Sat out for his transfer year from South Dakota ... but did not have to pay as we had an extra schollie and Buzz gave it to hm.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: GGGG on February 26, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
Jake Thomas going off scholie still means MU is one over.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 26, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 26, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
Jake Thomas going off scholie still means MU is one over.

Correct ... the 1 oversigned comment assumes Jake goes off schollie.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: nyg on February 27, 2013, 11:41:53 AM
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2015

Well, looks who's #1 in 2015 now.

One of these days, whether it is Looney in 2014 or Stone in 2015, MU will grab one. 
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on February 27, 2013, 11:48:31 AM
Hopefully, he's a number one recruiting target for Buzz and staff.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Goose on February 27, 2013, 11:49:13 AM
NYG

Hope you are right on that. You are more optimistic than I am but hoping for us to land a whale one of these days.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Warrior_2002 on February 27, 2013, 02:37:42 PM
Quote from: Schmidtyfactor on February 26, 2013, 08:58:07 AM
Neenah? Where the hell is Neenah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqw7D-6W5kQ


Good one...funny!
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 27, 2013, 05:16:59 PM
Quote from: Schmidtyfactor on February 26, 2013, 08:58:07 AM
Neenah? Where the hell is Neenah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqw7D-6W5kQ


Back to my middle school years. :(
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 27, 2013, 07:10:17 PM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 27, 2013, 11:48:31 AM
Hopefully, he's a number one recruiting target for Buzz and staff.

Gee, ya think?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: GGGG on February 27, 2013, 07:21:50 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 27, 2013, 07:10:17 PM
Gee, ya think?

Yeah, I'm thinking that the #1 rated player in the class of 2015, from a school located just a few miles away from campus, with a teammate that is coming here next year, playing a position of obvious need, and who has been to multiple MU games this season, is very likely going to be the top priority.

Call me crazy...
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 27, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 27, 2013, 07:21:50 PM
Call me crazy...

Sultan, you're crazy
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 27, 2013, 07:52:27 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 27, 2013, 07:21:50 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking that the #1 rated player in the class of 2015, from a school located just a few miles away from campus, with a teammate that is coming here next year, playing a position of obvious need, and who has been to multiple MU games this season, is very likely going to be the top priority.

Call me crazy...

"To state the obvious often only serves to call it into question."
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 27, 2013, 07:58:11 PM
Who was the Bozo who said he'd fade and not a priority?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on February 27, 2013, 09:24:44 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 27, 2013, 07:10:17 PM
Gee, ya think?

Certainly hope so.  Haven't heard much talk to confirm or deny it, have you?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: GGGG on February 27, 2013, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 27, 2013, 09:24:44 PM
Certainly hope so.  Haven't heard much talk to confirm or deny it, have you?


Yes.  Don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Eye on February 27, 2013, 11:46:22 PM
Where does MU stand with Ellenson? Saw him last Friday (radio PBP), will see him tomorrow night against Onalaska and Matt Thomas (doing game on tape-delay TV). He's awfully good. Questions would be poor HS coaching and all the backstuff with his dad. Plus Tubby's got the inside track with the older Ellenson now a freshman there.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: slingkong on February 28, 2013, 10:55:43 AM
Quote from: warriorchick on February 26, 2013, 03:47:13 PM
Yeah, usually the grass dies.

Now, where it poops is a completely different matter.....


I wish, but their poop doesn't make good fertilizer. Too acidic or something like that. I mean, I really wish it weren't so because my two Newfies generate A LOT of unusable poop. Woe to the raccoon that ventures into my trash can looking for treats.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 26, 2013, 08:30:33 AM
Quote from: Eye on February 27, 2013, 11:46:22 PM
Where does MU stand with Ellenson? Saw him last Friday (radio PBP), will see him tomorrow night against Onalaska and Matt Thomas (doing game on tape-delay TV). He's awfully good. Questions would be poor HS coaching and all the backstuff with his dad. Plus Tubby's got the inside track with the older Ellenson now a freshman there.

Does Tubby's departure from Minnesota now give MU a better shot at Ellenson?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: martyconlonontherun on March 26, 2013, 09:59:18 AM
Random but are we sure jake Thomas is back next year? We all are looking at it from a basketball eligibility issue but I question if that's what he plans on doing. He could be graduating this spring since he is a senior academics wise. He had a great experience of two sweet 16's and free tuition. I really don't think he will find much time next yeah so is it worth it paying a year? Only he knows but I've haven't seen anyone question it.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on March 26, 2013, 10:02:27 AM
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 26, 2013, 09:59:18 AM
Random but are we sure jake Thomas is back next year? We all are looking at it from a basketball eligibility issue but I question if that's what he plans on doing. He could be graduating this spring since he is a senior academics wise. He had a great experience of two sweet 16's and free tuition. I really don't think he will find much time next yeah so is it worth it paying a year? Only he knows but I've haven't seen anyone question it.

Does it matter either way?  He won't use a scholarship regardless, and doubtful he'd get much more than Frozena minutes anyway.  Huge shot against Cuse and great decoy against Butler, but we're stacked at his position next year.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: bilsu on March 26, 2013, 10:09:58 AM
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on March 26, 2013, 08:30:33 AM
Does Tubby's departure from Minnesota now give MU a better shot at Ellenson?
It could make it more difficult. A player liking Minnesota may not pick them, if they think the coach might be fired. Now that is out of the way, so it depends on how much he likes Minnesota and the new coach who will be filled with optimism on how the program will do under him.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Coleman on March 26, 2013, 10:54:23 AM
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 26, 2013, 10:02:27 AM
Does it matter either way?  He won't use a scholarship regardless, and doubtful he'd get much more than Frozena minutes anyway.  Huge shot against Cuse and great decoy against Butler, but we're stacked at his position next year.

Agree. Give Jake the option to walk on and pay his way. He can play a few minutes in non conference and be along for the ride of what should be an incredible season. He's earned that, if he wants it.

If he graduates and wants to be done playing ball, thats fine too. Dont think it makes a huge difference either way.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: BCHoopster on March 26, 2013, 10:54:38 AM
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 26, 2013, 09:59:18 AM
Random but are we sure jake Thomas is back next year? We all are looking at it from a basketball eligibility issue but I question if that's what he plans on doing. He could be graduating this spring since he is a senior academics wise. He had a great experience of two sweet 16's and free tuition. I really don't think he will find much time next yeah so is it worth it paying a year? Only he knows but I've haven't seen anyone question it.

If you graduated, how many classes does have to take to be eligible, I would assume not many, so in saying that, his tuition may not be that much either if it is per class?  Advise.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Coleman on March 26, 2013, 10:58:56 AM
Right, I think to be a full-time grad student you only need to take 2 classes a semester.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: BCHoopster on March 26, 2013, 11:04:16 AM
Basically his tuition will really be little, can stay in one of his teammates rooms, so if that is the case, his out of pocket expense will be small considering MU really gave him like
$60 to $70K for two years, good deal.  He will see sometime next year, depending who does not make it back.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Stronghold on March 26, 2013, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 26, 2013, 10:02:27 AM
Does it matter either way?  He won't use a scholarship regardless, and doubtful he'd get much more than Frozena minutes anyway.  Huge shot against Cuse and great decoy against Butler, but we're stacked at his position next year.

I'm very thankful for those 2 contributions this year.  At least those were meaningful unlike many guys who don't see a lot of minutes.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: BCHoopster on March 26, 2013, 11:21:30 AM
I always said that lets see how he does against Syracuse, he brought a dead listless team back in the game, so he helped.  I can not think of anything that Juan has done and he plays
every game.  I have not been much of a fan of Derrick either, but he helped last game and he will have to help on Larkin this week.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: jficke13 on March 26, 2013, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2013, 11:04:16 AM
Basically his tuition will really be little, can stay in one of his teammates rooms, so if that is the case, his out of pocket expense will be small considering MU really gave him like
$60 to $70K for two years, good deal.  He will see sometime next year, depending who does not make it back.

It won't be nothing. It's $1,025/credit

http://www.marquette.edu/about/studenttuition.shtml
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: akmarq on March 26, 2013, 11:24:37 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2013, 11:21:30 AM
I can not think of anything that Juan has done and he plays
every game.  I have not been much of a fan of Derrick either, but he helped last game and he will have to help on Larkin this week.

You know, other than rebound well, keep Jamil out of foul trouble, play defense, and throw that great assist against Butler.

Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on March 26, 2013, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Stronghold on March 26, 2013, 11:17:40 AM
I'm very thankful for those 2 contributions this year.  At least those were meaningful unlike many guys who don't see a lot of minutes.

Totally agree and wasn't knocking the guy.  Just saying he is going off scholarship either way, and likely would see even less minutes than he saw this year so whether he stays or goes is not a huge concern.  But he seems to enjoy the team and the game, and he was planning on walking on the past 2 years and luckily got them for free so he's in much better shape $ wise than he though he would be.  Doubt he leaves, and we really couldn't ask for a better walk-on.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Litehouse on March 26, 2013, 11:37:55 AM
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on March 26, 2013, 11:23:09 AM
It won't be nothing. It's $1,025/credit

http://www.marquette.edu/about/studenttuition.shtml

Hypothetically, isn't that a potential option for Otule next year also, depending on how things play out and if we need the extra scholarship?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: jficke13 on March 26, 2013, 11:53:30 AM
Probably, but 6ish - 12ish grand isn't change in the couch cushions stuff. Also, I'd kind of hope that someone mentions that a graduate degree (if they earned it) isn't necessarily worth the investment. Getting part of one is worth even less.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: The Equalizer on March 26, 2013, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2013, 11:04:16 AM
Basically his tuition will really be little, can stay in one of his teammates rooms, so if that is the case, his out of pocket expense will be small considering MU really gave him like
$60 to $70K for two years, good deal.  He will see sometime next year, depending who does not make it back.

I'm pretty sure this wouldn't work. The NCAA rules don't permit benefits not available to any other student--and I doubt MU lets students stay rent-free in another student's room.

Quote from: lawwarrior12 on March 26, 2013, 11:53:30 AM
Probably, but 6ish - 12ish grand isn't change in the couch cushions stuff. Also, I'd kind of hope that someone mentions that a graduate degree (if they earned it) isn't necessarily worth the investment. Getting part of one is worth even less.

6ish to 12ish?  Have you checked MU's tuition lately?  Try 45ish to 50ish.

http://www.marquette.edu/about/studenttuition.shtml
$34,400 tuition + $10,730 room & board + $440 fees.  Plus whatever next year's tuition increase will be.


Sorry--didn't realize this was re: Graduate tuition. 



Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: jficke13 on March 26, 2013, 12:26:35 PM
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 26, 2013, 12:21:21 PM
6ish to 12ish?  Have you checked MU's tuition lately?  Try 45ish to 50ish.

http://www.marquette.edu/about/studenttuition.shtml
$34,400 tuition + $10,730 room & board + $440 fees.  Plus whatever next year's tuition increase will be.

And, no, you can't just sign up for six part time credit hours--to be eligible to play D1 you have to be enrolled full time.

My estimate was based on the guy above who said that full time grad school was 2 classes. (2 classes x 3 credit hours per) * $1,025/graduate credit hour as listed on this website http://www.marquette.edu/about/studenttuition.shtml

Is that right? No clue. Seems low to me too.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Eldon on March 26, 2013, 12:29:50 PM
To be a full-time grad student at MU, you need to have 7 credits.  It may be different if you are also working for the university, say, as a TA or RA, but I doubt Thomas could take classes, be a TA, and be a bball player so hed likely have to take 7 credits.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: The Equalizer on March 26, 2013, 12:46:41 PM
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on March 26, 2013, 12:26:35 PM
My estimate was based on the guy above who said that full time grad school was 2 classes. (2 classes x 3 credit hours per) * $1,025/graduate credit hour as listed on this website http://www.marquette.edu/about/studenttuition.shtml

Is that right? No clue. Seems low to me too.

Doing a little more research:

http://www.marquette.edu/mucentral/bursar/documents/RateGuide13-14spreads.pdf

If I'm reading the MU cost details correctly, they don't specify separate full-time graduate and undergraduate tutition. The header is just "Full-time tuition rates".  In fact, they incude the doctoral phase of the PT program in this chart.   

So I think a full time grad student is playing 17,100 per semester.




Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Eldon on March 26, 2013, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 26, 2013, 12:46:41 PM
Doing a little more research:

http://www.marquette.edu/mucentral/bursar/documents/RateGuide13-14spreads.pdf

If I'm reading the MU cost details correctly, they don't specify separate full-time graduate and undergraduate tutition. The header is just "Full-time tuition rates".  In fact, they incude the doctoral phase of the PT program in this chart.   

So I think a full time grad student is playing 17,100 per semester.


No, it's about half of that.  Grad credits are about $900-$1000 per credit
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: klyrish on March 26, 2013, 06:01:33 PM
I cannot believe tuition is THAT high now.

...and they still have the nerve to call me every couple of days asking for donations.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: g0lden3agle on March 26, 2013, 06:04:01 PM
Quote from: klyrish on March 26, 2013, 06:01:33 PM
I cannot believe tuition is THAT high now.

...and they still have the nerve to call me every couple of days asking for donations.

That donation can go towards a students tuition, you can do your part to help out those who are racking up obscene amounts of debt
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: bilsu on March 26, 2013, 06:04:50 PM
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 26, 2013, 11:31:55 AM
Totally agree and wasn't knocking the guy.  Just saying he is going off scholarship either way, and likely would see even less minutes than he saw this year so whether he stays or goes is not a huge concern.  But he seems to enjoy the team and the game, and he was planning on walking on the past 2 years and luckily got them for free so he's in much better shape $ wise than he though he would be.  Doubt he leaves, and we really couldn't ask for a better walk-on.
You need seniors to teach the freshmen the ropes. Whether he plays or not he is important.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Newsdreams on March 26, 2013, 06:07:12 PM
Quote from: klyrish on March 26, 2013, 06:01:33 PM
I cannot believe tuition is THAT high now.

...and they still have the nerve to call me every couple of days asking for donations.
Cost of attending (COA) is around $43K. Have a son who is a senior and they still call for donations  ;D
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: klyrish on March 26, 2013, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: g0lden3agle on March 26, 2013, 06:04:01 PM
That donation can go towards a students tuition, you can do your part to help out those who are racking up obscene amounts of debt

I'm aware. I'm still also paying off my own debt so I'mma get mines first.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: chapman on March 26, 2013, 07:21:54 PM
He came prepared to pay his way for three years, I'm sure one will be doable for him.  Wouldn't even say it's a certainty he won't get a scholarship; there's a decent chance that two players leave and nobody additional is added which ends up leaving a scholarship open.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Jay Bee on March 26, 2013, 09:34:23 PM
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on March 26, 2013, 08:30:33 AM
Does Tubby's departure from Minnesota now give MU a better shot at Ellenson?

Potentially the opposite.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Coleman on March 27, 2013, 09:14:53 AM
Grad student tuition is usually much less than undergrad, as someone pointed out in the rate per credit. If Jake has a bachelor's degree in hand he would be entitled to go that route, assuming his academic qualifications are up to snuff. This is why I suggested that earlier.

He would not have to pay the full undergrad rate, so stop using that in the discussion.

When I attended Loyola, full time grad student meant 6 credits per semester. Looks like at Marquette its 7. What that probably means is two classes (grad classes meet once a week for 2.5 hours), and maybe one independent study or something where he reads a couple books and meets with a professor every couple weeks in office hours. Its doable.  Yeah, its not chump change, still probably 15k for the year, but its preferable to an undergrad situation, and might be worth it to him. Obviously this depends on his family situation as well. Maybe his parents are in a position to cover it. Who knows.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: jsglow on March 27, 2013, 10:08:13 AM
Quote from: klyrish on March 26, 2013, 06:01:33 PM
I cannot believe tuition is THAT high now.

...and they still have the nerve to call me every couple of days asking for donations.

By the way, 'Tuition Runs out Day' is typically in late February.  12,000 kids at MU (8,000 of which are Undergrads) absolutely depend on each and every one of YOU to get from that day to May.  If you haven't given a few bucks recently, a little conscience examining might be in order.  We are all one family.  (End of soapbox but it's important.)
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2013, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: jsglow on March 27, 2013, 10:08:13 AM
By the way, 'Tuition Runs out Day' is typically in late February.  12,000 kids at MU (8,000 of which are Undergrads) absolutely depend on each and every one of YOU to get from that day to May.  If you haven't given a few bucks recently, a little conscience examining might be in order.  We are all one family.  (End of soapbox but it's important.)

Good point but there aren't 12,000 students paying their own way through MU. I'd say it's 25% at the most.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: jficke13 on March 27, 2013, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: jsglow on March 27, 2013, 10:08:13 AM
By the way, 'Tuition Runs out Day' is typically in late February.  12,000 kids at MU (8,000 of which are Undergrads) absolutely depend on each and every one of YOU to get from that day to May.  If you haven't given a few bucks recently, a little conscience examining might be in order.  We are all one family.  (End of soapbox but it's important.)

I'd be more inclined to give if they would guarantee that 100% of the donation went to a student. I don't want so much as a penny going to administrative bloat.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: WarriorInNYC on March 27, 2013, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: Stronghold on March 26, 2013, 11:17:40 AM
I'm very thankful for those 2 contributions this year.  At least those were meaningful unlike many guys who don't see a lot of minutes.

People also forget he played pretty well at the Maui Invitational.  His 3 point play at the end against Butler nearly lead to winning that game and he had a solid game against Mississippi State.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: netty24 on March 27, 2013, 11:14:31 AM
So, Diamond Stone?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Litehouse on March 27, 2013, 11:24:46 AM
This year obviously has to help with Looney and Stone.  It shows we can already get this far for 3 years in a row.  Bring in next years class, and either of those two, and the sky is the limit.  They could play here with friends, have a legitimate chance to win a title, and be local legends.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on March 27, 2013, 11:29:11 AM
Quote from: Litehouse on March 27, 2013, 11:24:46 AM
This year obviously has to help with Looney and Stone.  It shows we can already get this far for 3 years in a row.  Bring in next years class, and either of those two, and the sky is the limit.  They could play here with friends, have a legitimate chance to win a title, and be local AND NATIONAL legends.

Had to add that in there.

Get to the elite 8 or final four this year and that's what those two will see: themselves as the missing piece to a rising program that already has national recognition.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: klyrish on March 27, 2013, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: netty24 on March 27, 2013, 11:14:31 AM
So, Diamond Stone?

Dude, stay on topic.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Jay Bee on March 27, 2013, 01:38:42 PM
Diamond named to U16 MDNT. Heads back to Colorado Springs in 2 months, with good chance to then head to Uruguay.

Henry Ellenson, DJ Williams (Simeon) are among the other names on the roster. Info HERE. (http://latenighthoops.com/usa-basketball-names-23-to-the-u16-2013-14-mndt/)
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on March 27, 2013, 02:01:51 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 27, 2013, 01:38:42 PM
Diamond named to U16 MDNT. Heads back to Colorado Springs in 2 months, with good chance to then head to Uruguay.

Henry Ellenson, DJ Williams (Simeon) are among the other names on the roster. Info HERE. (http://latenighthoops.com/usa-basketball-names-23-to-the-u16-2013-14-mndt/)

We have some very nice ties to some top tier talent coming up the pipeline.... things could potentially get BETTER from here.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on March 27, 2013, 08:51:10 PM
Diamond Stone.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 27, 2013, 01:38:42 PM
Diamond named to U16 MDNT. Heads back to Colorado Springs in 2 months, with good chance to then head to Uruguay.

Henry Ellenson, DJ Williams (Simeon) are among the other names on the roster. Info HERE. (http://latenighthoops.com/usa-basketball-names-23-to-the-u16-2013-14-mndt/)

Anybody else find it weird how closely BeeJay follows teenage boys around?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Eldon on March 27, 2013, 08:55:14 PM
You guys think Stone reads these comments?
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2013, 09:01:14 PM
Lets hope that Buzz isnt in Minneapolis that board seems to think that it is a done deal.

But they also thought SHaka was a done deal as well
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: MUSF on March 27, 2013, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 27, 2013, 08:55:14 PM
You guys think Stone reads these comments?

If he does, maybe he'll find it in his heart to donate some money to poor MU students.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: klyrish on March 28, 2013, 12:03:05 AM
Quote from: MUSF on March 27, 2013, 09:08:33 PM
If he does, maybe he'll find it in his heart to donate some money to poor MU students.

Nice.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 28, 2013, 07:33:45 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
Anybody else find it weird how closely BeeJay follows teenage boys around?

You need new material.  That's way old.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Jay Bee on March 28, 2013, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
Anybody else find it weird how closely BeeJay follows teenage boys around?

...says the boys' volleyball "coach".
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on March 28, 2013, 01:56:59 PM
Guess the talk about Diamond Stone is done.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 28, 2013, 02:09:42 PM
Stone and Ellenson both named to the U16 USA Dev Team.
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Badgerhater on March 28, 2013, 02:11:44 PM
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on March 27, 2013, 10:22:29 AM
I'd be more inclined to give if they would guarantee that 100% of the donation went to a student. I don't want so much as a penny going to administrative bloat.

+1
Title: Re: Diamond Stone
Post by: Litehouse on March 28, 2013, 11:47:52 PM
So, this one is worth a bump.  We're in the Elite 8 in a rebuilding year.  Hey Diamond, imagine what we could do with you!
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