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This is from twitter:

NorthstarBball: Again, according to a source close to the situation, Brett Roseboro '09 from Quakertown (PA) is no longer going to be attending Marquette.

Don't shoot the messenger. Are there any legs to this story? Doesn't sound like he's a huge loss, but just thought you'd like to know. Sorry if this info is already well known

Wow, hoping this isn't true. He's already been on campus and practicing, right? If we run him off right before class starts to bring in someone new, thats a classless move on our part.

I'lll believe when I hear it from someone in the program, no offense Hoya.

Quote from: chuncken on August 21, 2009, 10:01:35 AM
Wow, hoping this isn't true. He's already been on campus and practicing, right? If we run him off right before class starts to bring in someone new, thats a classless move on our part.

Even if this was true, we have no reason to "run him off" to "bring in someone new" because we have an extra scholarship to give.  And this could also be Roseboro's deal...he may not have felt comfortable after being here during the summer.  Again that is IF THIS IS TRUE.

It's true.

Wonder if it was homesickness, or he saw the opportunity for PT being small. Does this cost him a year of eligibility if he finds another D1 school?

Do we know the story behind this situation?

This seems very interesting to me that he would leave two weeks before the start of the semester

It would not cost him a year of eligiblity, but he would have to sit out a year.
Basically since he was admitted we could not take away his scholarship until after his freshmen year. So this has to be his decision. If true, I think it is just a sign that he felt he would never play here.

It's confirmed by IWB.

we should stone him like Mbakwe.

Dang...I was hoping the kid could come in and prove a bunch of us wrong.

I wonder what happens now...any new word on Khalil?

Quote from: LLRj Since 1986 on August 21, 2009, 11:02:47 AM
Dang...I was hoping the kid could come in and prove a bunch of us wrong.

I was thinking the same thing.  His signing was greeted pretty negatively.  Down to 11 scholarship players.  Boy I hope Mbao doesn't get dinged for the amateurism issue.

Guys, from day 1 this situation had Kevin Menard redux written all over it.  I'm sorry, but this was a recruiting mistake by Buzz, and it's obvious Brett was in over his head.  I'll eat my words if he goes on to be a nice player somewhere else, but this is exactly why you don't evaluate and offer a guy in 3-4 weeks time that wasn't even on your radar before, especially if that player is being looked at by schools like Rider, Quinnipiac, etc.  Some lower level D1 programs were looking, but to my knowledge none had even offered a scholarship.

I'm glad the mistake was a minor one though, and I wish Brett all the luck wherever he lands.

Quote from: MUfan2 on August 21, 2009, 11:09:58 AM
 I'm sorry, but this was a recruiting mistake by Buzz, and it's obvious Brett was in over his head.  I'll eat my words if he goes on to be a nice player somewhere else, but this is exactly why you don't evaluate and offer a guy in 3-4 weeks time that wasn't even on your radar before, especially if that player is being looked at by schools like Rider, Quinnipiac, etc.  Some lower level D1 programs were looking, but to my knowledge none had even offered a scholarship.

I'm glad the mistake was a minor one though, and I wish Brett all the luck wherever he lands.

+1

it would have been nice if this was decided (it it could have been) a while back.
Although even if we don't fill the spot, it opens a scholarship for next year which might be more useful than having Roseboro for this season... ?-(

Brett, if you have decided that MU is not the best fit for you, then good luck and God bless.     Hopefully, you can find an institution of higher learning that is a good fit for you.   If this turns out to be hokum, then welcome to MU and sorry that you had to go through this internet rumor. 

When is the last day the spot can be filled?

Quote from: MUfan2 on August 21, 2009, 11:09:58 AM
Guys, from day 1 this situation had Kevin Menard redux written all over it.  I'm sorry, but this was a recruiting mistake by Buzz, and it's obvious Brett was in over his head.  I'll eat my words if he goes on to be a nice player somewhere else, but this is exactly why you don't evaluate and offer a guy in 3-4 weeks time that wasn't even on your radar before, especially if that player is being looked at by schools like Rider, Quinnipiac, etc.  Some lower level D1 programs were looking, but to my knowledge none had even offered a scholarship.

I'm glad the mistake was a minor one though, and I wish Brett all the luck wherever he lands.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.  When it was announced, many said "who?"  He was a one star recruit by some services and two stars at others. Then the typical comments that he was a diamond in the rough, etc, etc, started coming out.  And this wasn't even a late signing mistake.

Recruiting mistakes happen, that will never change...whether it's Buzz, Crean, Al Mcguire.  But it's ok, we can just go down to the corner big man store and pick up a 5 star big man.  It's easy to get quality big men.

Huh - Roseboro seems like a good kid - I can only wish him well, and hope he finds something that fits him better.

Rider or Quinniapac would probably be a better fit for him. If true, wish him the best, now bring on Trae Golden.   

I had a feeling Brett wasn't going to make it at MU when I read he was the first kid from his conference ever to receive a D-I scholarship. Agree totally with mufan2 that this was a Kevin Menard/Bart Miller signing. Hope he does well wherever he winds up.

The Beast is no longer gonna be at MU!?!?! I'm gonna miss all the endless Roseboro jokes that would have happened.

That's right. When asked in that youtube video to describe his game he said he was a "Beast." Yeah...ahhh...not quite, Brett. Still, good luck to him. Seems like he knew he was over his head, so he made a smart decision to opt out.

Quote from: ecompt on August 21, 2009, 01:00:19 PM
I had a feeling Brett wasn't going to make it at MU when I read he was the first kid from his conference ever to receive a D-I scholarship. Agree totally with mufan2 that this was a Kevin Menard/Bart Miller signing. Hope he does well wherever he winds up.

I wouldn't put Bart Miller on that level.  He may not have turned out to be good, but he had a lot of accolades coming out of high school.

Good luck, Brent.

Will we get a true read on what happened?  i.e., from Brett, Buzz, or others?  Or will this be left to speculation? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM3CENGKtUk

Man I'm gonna miss this kid.

Quote from: Freeport Warrior on July 26, 2009, 08:33:19 PM"I couldn't help but think while I was reading that Roseboro is 50/50 to stay in the program, just doesn't seem to fit the mold (stud athlete, physical play). He sounds like Novak without a shot and worse D."

When I wrote this gut feeling last month after reading Rosiak's blog, Renko blasted me. Can I give myself a +1?

i also agree with MUfan2 on the whole Menard analogy.  yet I do not have a problem with Buzz taking a chance on the kid, he is 6'10 and i am sure Buzz never expected him to be a true stud for Mu, but if he would have decided to commit he may have been able to develop to be a player that could have helped or been aminimal role player by his junior or senior years.  

Evry team needs a 12th or 13th man and even better if he is 6'10...now not every kid wants to be a 13th man and often time become distraught and over welmed.  seems Brett became less and less optimistic and more discouraged as he saw the disparity.  

Again i have no probem with buzz signing a 6'10 guy that showed some flashes against top flight comp on a few occasiosn.  Additionally i 100% guarantee this was all Brett.  Buzz and co did everything they could to try to get him to give it a go and see waht the year brought.  

I must admit i was pessimistic after he was named second team all conference as a senior after shooting 45% and scoring 13 points a agme in a conference that has never produced a D1 BBall player before.  no real way to be optimistic about that.  

Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on August 21, 2009, 02:08:05 PM
i also agree with MUfan2 on the whole Menard analogy.  yet I do not have a problem with Buzz taking a chance on the kid, he is 6'10 and i am sure Buzz never expected him to be a true stud for Mu, but if he would have decided to commit he may have been able to develop to be a player that could have helped or been aminimal role player by his junior or senior years.  

Evry team needs a 12th or 13th man and even better if he is 6'10...now not every kid wants to be a 13th man and often time become distraught and over welmed.  seems Brett became less and less optimistic and more discouraged as he saw the disparity.

Again i have no probem with buzz signing a 6'10 guy that showed some flashes against top flight comp on a few occasiosn.  Additionally i 100% guarantee this was all Brett.  Buzz and co did everything they could to try to get him to give it a go and see waht the year brought.  

I must admit i was pessimistic after he was named second team all conference as a senior after shooting 45% and scoring 13 points a agme in a conference that has never produced a D1 BBall player before.  no real way to be optimistic about that.  

Couldn't agree more.  Well said!!

After watching the youtube video i chuckle at the fact that some kid from QUAKERtown, PA talks like he's from the north side of Milwaukee.  Comical.

I try to differentiate between smoke and fire for a living.   Right now, we have a single twitter posting about this.   I would like to see it confirmed from a source inside the program before we go any further.   If this is, in my parlance, food left on the stove, and not a real fire, then there are an awful lot of people who are going to have to do a Michael Phelps backstroke.   

Quote from: tower912 on August 21, 2009, 03:04:09 PM
I try to differentiate between smoke and fire for a living.   Right now, we have a single twitter posting about this.   I would like to see it confirmed from a source inside the program before we go any further.   If this is, in my parlance, food left on the stove, and not a real fire, then there are an awful lot of people who are going to have to do a Michael Phelps backstroke.   

What does the other board say?

http://community.sportsbubbler.com/blogs/iwbs_sports_blog/archive/2009/08/21/brett-roseboro-will-not-be-attending-marquette.aspx

I think it is better than Twitter, but I am not an expert...

IWB confirmed he's gone. That's good enough for me.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=4635491

That video makes me cringe w/embarrassment for him. Anyway, I wish Vanilla Ice well wherever he ends up.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 21, 2009, 03:16:45 PM
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=4635491

Any we care what they are saying on the Badger board because why?

Quote from: jmayer1 on August 21, 2009, 03:22:26 PM
Any we care what they are saying on the Badger board because why?

Uhm, I was linking to the fact that they were confirming it.  I was banned on Dodds site more than 2 years ago, IP blocked, etc, etc, so I can't get on the MU page.  So I posted the link from the UW page.  Though in reading some of their comments, I can't help but think that there are more than a few people in the state that feel this way about MU now.  But that's the direction we've chosen to go, for better or worse, time will tell.

I think the vast majority of MU fans could give two craps about what anyone else in the state thinks of our program!

The MU scout board is only reporting the twitter link.

That being said, when have any of these "rumors" been proven false?  Even the Mbwake rumor was denied BY HIM and look where that ended up.
I assume that Brett is gone.  I hope it's because he was home -sick and realized that maybe he was in over his head.

Whatever the reason, I'm not overly disappointed especially with us being in on that big Canadien from CA but I do wish Brett all the best in whatever he decides and wherever he goes.

Quote from: Boone on August 21, 2009, 03:30:05 PM
I think the vast majority of MU fans could give two craps about what anyone else in the state thinks of our program!

I agree, and I'm split on whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.  It's like watching politicians jam something down their constituents throats even if their constituents don't want it, basically not giving a crap what anyone thinks because they're going to do it anyway.  It's like reading the Kentucky and Memphis message boards...US against the world bunker mentality.

Maybe it's a good thing, I don't know.  If it tarnishes the university's image down the road, I'd say it's not.  If the team wins big, great PR, no issues, then it's a good thing no doubt.  Time will tell.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 21, 2009, 03:25:37 PM
Uhm, I was linking to the fact that they were confirming it.  I was banned on Dodds site more than 2 years ago, IP blocked, etc, etc, so I can't get on the MU page.  So I posted the link from the UW page.  Though in reading some of their comments, I can't help but think that there are more than a few people in the state that feel this way about MU now.  But that's the direction we've chosen to go, for better or worse, time will tell.

I agree with you, but when I really think about it, MU could have 12 home grown white dudes from small Wisconsin high schools, and some UW fans would still find something to be critical about with MU.

Some people don't like MU, and no matter what MU does, they will find an angle to critique.

Hopefully, all of the guys MU has recruited will graduate and it will be great. However, if that happens, some fans will automatically accuse MU of "helping" their athletes through school.

It's a never ending cycle with politics and sports rivalries.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 21, 2009, 03:35:08 PM
I agree, and I'm split on whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.  It's like watching politicians jam something down their constituents throats even if their constituents don't want it, basically not giving a crap what anyone thinks because they're going to do it anyway.  It's like reading the Kentucky and Memphis message boards...US against the world bunker mentality.

Maybe it's a good thing, I don't know.  If it tarnishes the university's image down the road, I'd say it's not.  If the team wins big, great PR, no issues, then it's a good thing no doubt.  Time will tell.

So far these kids have done nothing besides excel at basketball and qualify for university.  It'll be one thing if these kids can't keep up academically, but that's a bridge we can cross when we come to it.

As of right now we have a bunch of great youngsters coming in and a bunch of UW@Madison fans disparaging them for whatever they can think of.  Same crap, different year.

At the end of the year we'll still have a 100% graduation rate and a great group of bright young Student Athletes, and UW will have another L to mull over at the Kohl.

Edit: 2002mualum ninja'd his post in there, so I 2nd his response... but I'm not deleting this crap after I took the time to write it :p

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 21, 2009, 03:25:37 PM
Uhm, I was linking to the fact that they were confirming it.  I was banned on Dodds site more than 2 years ago, IP blocked, etc, etc, so I can't get on the MU page.  So I posted the link from the UW page.  Though in reading some of their comments, I can't help but think that there are more than a few people in the state that feel this way about MU now.  But that's the direction we've chosen to go, for better or worse, time will tell.

I guess a ton of people on the other site must be confused then because everybody over there seems to think you're a regular poster.

I could care less what those jokers on the Badgers board think and I wouldn't take their nonsense as an indication of how the people in this state generally feel about MU.

Can you clarify what you mean about the direction we're going?  I think the direction we're going towards is a long, athletic team that will be able to play uptempo and go 9-10 deep.  I like that direction.  I don't think it's fair to comment on the direction we're going in terms of academics of our players until we see how these guys fare in the classroom.  With MU's track record in that regard, I'll take my chances with the guys Buzz is bringing in.

Quote from: tower912 on August 21, 2009, 03:04:09 PM
I try to differentiate between smoke and fire for a living.   Right now, we have a single twitter posting about this.   I would like to see it confirmed from a source inside the program before we go any further.   If this is, in my parlance, food left on the stove, and not a real fire, then there are an awful lot of people who are going to have to do a Michael Phelps backstroke.   

got wind of it this morning from a friend who produces the Greenhouse on 620

Who gave who the warm air? I guess this is why you overfill your schollies.

I really wonder if something happened.  It doesn't make sense for him to leave so close to school starting.  It doesn't make sense for MU to give him the boot unless we're planning on picking up 2 more players for this year.

What reason would we have to asking him to leave this late in the game, even if he couldn't compete with the other guys on the team?

I'd bet that that either he effed up big time (not basketball related) and Buzz gave him the boot, or he's leaving of his own volition because of personal reasons (homesick, his family died, he knocked up a girl back home, etc).

lol, i actually cracked up watching that video.
From what I hear, everyone on the team this year thinks they are a comedian...and I can imagine Brett was the butt of many a locker room joke.
From the video it seems like he takes himself way too seriously, this plus the constant ribbing he no doubt was receiving made the decision easier.
(having bob jackson dominate you for a week probably didn't help either)/.

Please people get over it there is absolutely no way in hell Buzz and company asked him to leave.  Even if he was the worst plyer in the history of D1 ball he could help the team in areas apart from playinggame minutes.   additonally there is no reason to beleive in 3-4 years he could not have beeen a servicaebale role player.  A coach does not go from offering a scholarship to sending the player home before the first practice because he all of a sudden had a revelation sight unseen that he stunk.  Now something might have happened that he got in trouble for but there is no way in heck he was sent home for his basketball talents or lack thereof.  zero possiblity.  

As a former colleg athlete i can tell you the summer before your freshman year can be very tough.  i was an all-state player and went from always being the best to being at times dominated by bigger stronger faster more mature players and the prospects of getting your ass kicked for 1-2-3 years before you might even sniff playing time can be down right overwhelming.  It is one hell of a lot tougher mentally to do what a kid like david cubillan or Dwight Burke or Divid Diggs did than what a jerel Mcneal goes through.  

A buddy of mine took his son to college this summer to summer football practice he related the story that after they all dropped there sons off and got them settled there was a coaches and parents meeting.  the coach told the parents to expect 90% of the kids to call home telling them they want to quit.  he said call me and we will get with them.  you are away from home dont really know anyone andit  is sometime s hard to see the forest for the trees when you are 18 lonely sore and getting your ass kicked with no foreseeable playing time for 2-3 years.  

soemtimes actually many times 18 year olds see quitting as the best option.  I would place a wager that 95% of freshman college athletes seriously contemplate quitting or transferring during the freshman year...i dont know the number but probably 20% of them do the other 75% you just never hear about it....the other 5% are named Chris Paul, Dominic james, Derrick Rose, Tim Tebow, etc.

Quote from: jmayer1 on August 21, 2009, 03:49:52 PM
I could care less what those jokers on the Badgers board think and I wouldn't take their nonsense as an indication of how the people in this state generally feel about MU.

+0.5

I care what others in-state think, and I don't think the Badger board is nuts as a whole, but its hard to do much more than laugh when you come upon a statement such as

QuoteBottom line: on a scale of Dick Bennett/Bo Ryan to John Calipari, Buzz is much closer to Calipari.

i too could give an f waht other schools or people think about our recruits.  

What actually matters is how they handle themselves on and off the court and in the classroom.  With all the crap that you hear about Florida State nad other schools in Fotball or Memphis and other schools in Basketball it is usually tied to what those young men did in the classroom or getting in trouble off the field.  Not once do i recall the topic of them coming to the institution via a non traditional manner an issue.

In fact it is a non issue.  many of these kids have had less than ideal circumstances beyond their control a kid like a DWAde, a jimmy Butler, A LAzar Hayward, etc. make me even more proud to be a MArquette alum.  you want to take a look at the backgrounds of alot of the kids Al brought to school?  if the kid has high character it is not a risk at all.


 Cory MAggette and derrick rose came from traditonal high schools, MAggette from oneof the most prestigious in Chicago ..so what.  judge a man by his character not his upbringning that he typically could not control.

This is a great move by buzz and co. Clearly saw the lack of potential and said see ya. He would look great in the big ten

IWB's only cited source is the original twitter.   So we still have a huge ruckus based on a third party tweet.     I have nothing but respect for IWB and his sources, and his saying he has confirmed it moves the story forward, but something offical, please.

Quote from: 2002mualum on August 21, 2009, 03:42:53 PM
I agree with you, but when I really think about it, MU could have 12 home grown white dudes from small Wisconsin high schools, and some UW fans would still find something to be critical about with MU.

Some people don't like MU, and no matter what MU does, they will find an angle to critique.

Hopefully, all of the guys MU has recruited will graduate and it will be great. However, if that happens, some fans will automatically accuse MU of "helping" their athletes through school.

It's a never ending cycle with politics and sports rivalries.

Yup, that's the key.  If the kids graduate, stay off the blotter, no NCAA rules, win...then basically people won't have much to say.  If they don't, then MU probably doesn't get as much benefit of the doubt because the media and the fans will say that MU made it's bed by going after too many folks that didn't fit a certain mold.  That's the risk, time will tell.

And don't get me wrong, Fran's one of the biggest asswipes on the planet.  Some of the garbage on Buckyville and UWMFReak that he writes you would think he's trying to room with his son in college it's so naive.  The UW-Madison football and hockey teams have had so many degenerates over the years that he is the last one that should talk, but I know that there are others that are much less partisan than him that are asking similar types of questions.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 21, 2009, 03:25:37 PM
Uhm, I was linking to the fact that they were confirming it.  I was banned on Dodds site more than 2 years ago, IP blocked, etc, etc, so I can't get on the MU page.  So I posted the link from the UW page.  Though in reading some of their comments, I can't help but think that there are more than a few people in the state that feel this way about MU now.  But that's the direction we've chosen to go, for better or worse, time will tell.

Uhm, you may haved been banned on the Dodds site two years ago but you've been back for some time. Why are you making this stuff up? Is it because it's just what you do? Guess fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2009, 05:58:21 PM
Uhm, you may haved been banned on the Dodds site two years ago but you've been back for some time. Why are you making this stuff up? Is it because it's just what you do? Guess fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly.

If I try to go there right now from my work computer, I cannot.  Even if no username is used, I cannot.  The IP address is blocked and has been for several years. 

It says in a red strip above the messages "Your access to this site's forums is revoked"   Doesn't matter what I do from here, I cannot get into that site.   I'm happy to post a screenshot if you don't believe me.

Quote from: HoopDreams on August 21, 2009, 05:15:48 PM
This is a great move by buzz and co. Clearly saw the lack of potential and said see ya.

If that ends up being what actually happened there are many problems with the scenario you are not grasping.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2009, 05:58:21 PM
Uhm, you may haved been banned on the Dodds site two years ago but you've been back for some time. Why are you making this stuff up? Is it because it's just what you do? Guess fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly.

I owe chicos an apology as he is to this day unable to access the Dodds site from his work computer. Mea culpa.

Quote from: tower912 on August 21, 2009, 05:30:15 PM
IWB's only cited source is the original twitter.   So we still have a huge ruckus based on a third party tweet.     I have nothing but respect for IWB and his sources, and his saying he has confirmed it moves the story forward, but something offical, please.

One of Roseboro's high school coaches confirmed it to the the North Star Blog, which is where that twitter came from.  Official release to come on Monday.

Where's Todd been?  Todd is my MU Basketball crack...I was also hoping he'd interview Junior about getting cleared!

With all of the guys leaving programs these days, I figured Roseboro would leave at some point. He was the least recruited guy on the roster.

What are the chances we bring someone in for 2009 with the Roseboro scholie?  I am sure Buzz and Co. have know about this for a little while and have been shaking the trees, but what do you think our chance of landing someone good in such a short time?
Or do we bank the scholie for 2010?

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 21, 2009, 06:04:25 PM
If I try to go there right now from my work computer, I cannot.  Even if no username is used, I cannot.  The IP address is blocked and has been for several years. 

It says in a red strip above the messages "Your access to this site's forums is revoked"   Doesn't matter what I do from here, I cannot get into that site.   I'm happy to post a screenshot if you don't believe me.

Maybe you should be working from your work computer!

It would be very disappointing if this was Buzz initiated.

Quote from: KC2016 on August 21, 2009, 10:20:01 PM
It would be very disappointing if this was Buzz initiated.

I think there's a gray area there:

if Buzz told him that he doesn't expect Brett to get anything more than a few minutes a game if he's lucky, then 1) Brett could have decided on his own that he wanted starter minutes so he left or 2) Brett felt Buzz was pressuring him to leave and did so.

With the recent signing, it puts the events on a timeline: Brett notifies buzz he plans on leaving, buzz goes out and signs a player, fans speculate what's going on, word leaks of bretts departure.

Quote from: mu77vegas on August 21, 2009, 09:18:05 PM
Maybe you should be working from your work computer!

We're union, we get breaks

Quote from: schubert33 on August 21, 2009, 02:32:14 PM
Couldn't agree more.  Well said!!

LOL...might be the first time those two phrases were uttered about a Hayward post.  Usually the response is "can anyone translate that for me?"

Hayward - have you been drinking again?  Paragraphs?  Sentences?  Capitalization? Punctuation? Even spelling looks decent.  Your posts in this thread might be your best effort ever.  8-)

actuially people agree with my posts all the time....then chicos and Mu84 chime in

http://blog.northstarbball.com/2009/08/21/major-news-brett-roseboro-leaving-marquette.aspx

Quote from: BLOG.NORTHSTARBBALL.COM
"...a falling out with the coaching staff"

"When asked if he felt Brett, who came on strong during his senior year, would get his release, the answer was a resounding yes. "Without question. They don't want him. They said, 'you're not going to play here.' . . . Brett's not going to get minutes at Marquette." -Toomey Anderson, Quakertown assistant coach

Hmm...I hope this is more of the coaching staff being honest and upfront, just like Buzz was last year with Otule and Fulce ("they're horrible right now, horrendous, don't deserve to play but we needed length" etc.) and perhaps Roseboro wasn't up for the challenge.[

Quote from: LLRj Since 1986 on August 22, 2009, 09:37:55 AM
http://blog.northstarbball.com/2009/08/21/major-news-brett-roseboro-leaving-marquette.aspx

Hmm...I hope this is more of the coaching staff being honest and upfront, just like Buzz was last year with Otule and Fulce ("they're horrible right now, horrendous, don't deserve to play but we needed length" etc.) and perhaps Roseboro wasn't up for the challenge.[

When I read the article, I can't imagine Buzz coming out and saying in the 4 years he will get no playing time, which is the way the article makes it sound. I do believe in Buzz saying this year he wouldn't get many minutes, but we all knew that going in. He was viewed as being raw and had some skills, but needed to be developed. I just find it hard to believe that the coaching staff would be so eager to cut ties with a kid before even having an official practice, especially when he wasn't expected to be a solid contributor until his junior year. No matter how raw a kid coming in, I figure the coaching staff would feel they could make him improve to be a solid contributor, especially with Brett's skill set. Maybe Brett thought differently as far as his playing time, or was overwhelmed by some of the talent after being in a smaller conference. Either way hopefully it works out for both parties and it wasn't done in a way in which Buzz seemingly ran him off (which I think is unlikely).

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 21, 2009, 10:38:13 PM

With the recent signing, it puts the events on a timeline: Brett notifies buzz he plans on leaving, buzz goes out and signs a player, fans speculate what's going on, word leaks of bretts departure.

Buzz has not signed another player.

It sounds like all concerned saw what Brett was up against and decided he is nowhere near a Big East player. The reports from the open gym said he was being abused. I doubt if Buzz "ran him off." 

Quote from: ecompt on August 22, 2009, 10:32:49 AM
It sounds like all concerned saw what Brett was up against and decided he is nowhere near a Big East player. The reports from the open gym said he was being abused. I doubt if Buzz "ran him off." 

In the end, I suspect that Brett and MU simply had a quick romance last Fall and both parties have found out they were not meant for each other and have agreed to an annulment. Unfortunate, but these things do happen.  Best of luck to Brett in his future endeavors.

it also appears the poster and assistant coach are putting words into Buzz's mouth and taking things out of context.  First they said "they dont want him, you're not going to play here".

but then in the next paragraph they say Brett has had no contact with Buzz.

I thought he had a lousy senior season, but the article said he came on strong. I thought I heard he didnt even lead his team in ppg?

If I was going to sit all 4 years I would want to know asap.

Lots of speculation here about how Buzz and Co. "handled" this departure. 

The kid is 18 y.o.  I think it's just as likely that he realized he wasn't at the same level as the guys he was playing with everyday-- and perhaps thought he was in way over his head.  Maybe he thought he'd get out before he sunk more time into what he knew to be a pipe dream? 

Not all of these kids are delusional about their abilities.  I think it's more likely that he decided to walk away.  The program gains very little from pushing him out at this point. 

So a kid left a program. Big f*cking deal. Happens all the time, but somebody's gotta be at fault, right?

BFD.


Best to you, Mr. Roseboro. (that was sincere).

Didn't somebody mention that even if MU had wanted to push Brett out they couldn't have?  Scholarships are like 1 year renewable contracts, they don't have to be renewed every year, but once they are signed for that year you can't take them away.  I'm assuming this was Brett's decision since he had the scholarship already.

Not to mention why would we push him out now?  We now have 11 scholarship players and one still has amateur issues and will most likely be sitting out X amount of games, so we're pretty thin on scholarship players.  If anything, I think he would have been kept on in case Mbao has to sit out a considerable amount of time and he is the 2nd tallest player on the team.  He could have been thrown in just to take up 10 minutes if some players get in some foul trouble.  If we then decide after the season he's not worth it, my guess is that would be the point that we decide to "get rid of him."

Looks like he decided he wanted to back out, for whatever reason it may have been (didn't think he'd play, was homesick, etc.).

Quote from: wadesworld on August 22, 2009, 01:37:16 PM
Didn't somebody mention that even if MU had wanted to push Brett out they couldn't have?  Scholarships are like 1 year renewable contracts, they don't have to be renewed every year, but once they are signed for that year you can't take them away.  I'm assuming this was Brett's decision since he had the scholarship already.

Bingo.  Once your here, you've got the scholarship for the year and they can't take it from you unless you commit some sort of infraction.

The things Buzz supposedly said to Roseboro are the exact same things Crean said to Krunti Hester his first year.  Krunti chose to stay anyway and transfer after the year, it appears Roseboro isn't willing to do that.

Quote from: bma725 on August 22, 2009, 02:13:07 PM
Bingo.  Once your here, you've got the scholarship for the year and they can't take it from you unless you commit some sort of infraction.

The things Buzz supposedly said to Roseboro are the exact same things Crean said to Krunti Hester his first year.  Krunti chose to stay anyway and transfer after the year, it appears Roseboro isn't willing to do that.

Don't disagree with you at all; but, BR was Buzz's recruit.  Highly unusual situation unless BR saw the writing on the wall or was simply homesick.

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 21, 2009, 10:38:13 PM
if Buzz told him that he doesn't expect Brett to get anything more than a few minutes a game if he's lucky, then 1) Brett could have decided on his own that he wanted starter minutes so he left or 2) Brett felt Buzz was pressuring him to leave and did so.

In Buzz's lone season, we found out quickly that he is brutally honest. He does not pull punches. Roseboro was probably told rather succinctly that playing time was going to be scarce. It's better to leave now than a year or two from now.

1. It seems obvious that Buzz and BR had a conversation about playing time and that BR reacted negatively to that.  How negative that conversation was we will likely never know.

2. This was obviously a recruiting mistake by Buzz because he either didn't have the talent to compete at this level (and the other schools looking at him seem to indicate that), or he was not mature enough to hear what Buzz had to say.

It's a shame that it had to get to two weeks before the season started for Buzz to realize that this was a mistake, but it clearly was a mistake and it's better to recognize this early for everyone involved.

sorry sultan you are misguided this leaving is all on brett not buzz.  absolutely no reason for buzz to run off a kid that he could use and that he just gave a scholarship.  the kid was overwhelmed and left nothing more sinister than that

Quote from: KC2016 on August 21, 2009, 10:20:01 PM
It would be very disappointing if this was Buzz initiated.

It sounds as though it was, based on quotes from high school coach, but it could be sour-grapes. However, I'm sure other Big East programs will be using this as ammunition for kids looking at Marquette.  Just my 2 cents.

Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on August 22, 2009, 09:35:11 PM
sorry sultan you are misguided this leaving is all on brett not buzz.  absolutely no reason for buzz to run off a kid that he could use and that he just gave a scholarship.  the kid was overwhelmed and left nothing more sinister than that

I never said he ran him off, but it seems obvious that a conversation about playing time took place.  I don't know how the tone of that conversation went though...did he say "Brett, you are simply not going to play here." or did he say "Brett, you need to work on x, y and z, otherwise playing time is going to be hard to come by."

Either way, I think it is undeniable from reading the blog that this conversation took place and that BR found it negative...negative enough that moving on to St. Boneventure or East Tennessee seemed like better options.  Regardless, in the long run this is the best thing for all parties involved.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 22, 2009, 09:52:35 PM

I never said he ran him off, but it seems obvious that a conversation about playing time took place.  I don't know how the tone of that conversation went though...did he say "Brett, you are simply not going to play here." or did he say "Brett, you need to work on x, y and z, otherwise playing time is going to be hard to come by."

Either way, I think it is undeniable from reading the blog that this conversation took place and that BR found it negative...negative enough that moving on to St. Boneventure or East Tennessee seemed like better options.  Regardless, in the long run this is the best thing for all parties involved.

And Hayward knows this how exactly?   

Buzz has always said he only wants kids who really want to be here - maybe Brett had a change of heart - what do we know?  But there was nothing to gain by Buzz in running him off - just wouldn't happen as I see it.  Let's wait until the announcement on Monday and see....

Quote from: Daniel on August 22, 2009, 10:04:26 PM
Buzz has always said he only wants kids who really want to be here - maybe Brett had a change of heart - what do we know?  But there wa snothing to gain by Buzz in running him off - jsut wouldn;t happen as I see it.  Let's wait until the announcement on Monday and see....

It probably all comes down to what is is.  The kid should never have been recruited to come at MU, the kid realized it, he parts way and is happy and Buzz is happy because he can overcome a recruiting mistake.  Whether he was "run off" or not, when you tell a kid you aren't playing you're being honest with the kid but you're also trying to paint as clear a picture as possible that he's going to ride pine. 

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 22, 2009, 09:52:35 PM

I never said he ran him off, but it seems obvious that a conversation about playing time took place.  I don't know how the tone of that conversation went though...did he say "Brett, you are simply not going to play here." or did he say "Brett, you need to work on x, y and z, otherwise playing time is going to be hard to come by."

Either way, I think it is undeniable from reading the blog that this conversation took place and that BR found it negative...negative enough that moving on to St. Boneventure or East Tennessee seemed like better options.  Regardless, in the long run this is the best thing for all parties involved.

sultan if you put it that way then i can agree with you ..however, that is no different than what a coach would say to anyother player and is only being honest.  heck those converstaions take place at even lower levels.  and i guarantee it was handled at a constructive level...nothing to be gained for him to leave now ..and clearly brett took it as too hard or much to over come etc and chose to leave... no way he was "run out". we are a injury or two away from not being able to conduct a 5 on 5 practice.  the negatives of him leaving at this time are too many to list not to mention the biggest of him potential being able to contribut after 2-3 years or incredible dedication to his game.  and i am sure that was didcusse dtoo.

From a Philadelphia area paper; his HS coaches are sure throwing a lot of mud at Buzz and staff. This is the kind of stuff that other coaches can and will use to recruit against us. This is certainly not something we want being said and then written about the program.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/august/23/roseboro-chooses-to-withdraw-from-marquette.html

Perhaps Buzz needs to learn to be a little less brutally honest as has often been said regarding many of his "candid" remarks.

I am willing to admit he is gone now. ;D     Reading that article, it looks like he believed he was guaranteed playing time.   At the time, McMorrow, Otule, EWill and Jeronne were all already on board.   If the MU staff guaranteed playing time, shame on them.   If, as I suspect, he was promised the opportunity to compete for playing time, got here and was not competitive, that is something else entirely and I hope he finds a good fit.   Best of luck, Brett.

guys i have absoletely no idea what one can take out of that article that was negative towards MU.  It appears the coaching staff has absolutely no clue about big time basketball.  The kid is being recruited...as many many coaches have said many times they will recruit the hell out of the kid and tell him how great he is but everything is going to change when they step on campus.   the coaches flat out tell the kids that.

I mean seriously how much playing time was Brett or the coach expecting...even his coach said ..."They thought they had this great Division I player to come right off Quakertown High School and play for them right away. But I've seen Big East ball. I know what it's all about"
ahh sorry coach but Buzz and crew have seen BE ball too and i am sure they know waht it takes.

it clearly appears Brett was overwhelmed by the talent of big time recruits and decided to turn tail and run.

Brett states "it turned out that it just wasn't right for me, so I decided that I would release and try to find a new college."

the coach says..."They just fawned all over him and had the hard sell," Keeler said. "And once he showed up there he did all they asked him to do, according to what Brett told me (Saturday), and I guess they just didn't like what they saw and made him not wanted. And that's a shame. But that's the way life is."

"It's a real messed-up situation," Anderson said. "They messed up; they didn't do their homework, and they offered the kid the world. And then a week before school starts they tell him he's not going to get playing time."

the coach says "he is guessing" they made him feel not wanted.  Does telling a kid not to expect much playing time mean he is not wanted?  this is totally one sided.  Would he rather have been told he was going to get a lot of playing time?  lets get real here!  like i have said it takes a special person to be the 12th man and a special person to decide he is going to work his rump off given his lack of god given ability just to crack the rotation come junior senior year ala a david Diggs or a Abel joseph.  Apparently the "beast" simply decided he did not want ot work that hard for 2-3 years to crack the rotation...that is fine I am sure a school like St. bonaventure he will not have to work as hard or wait as long to to crack the rotation, but those schools are not that far behind and a dose of reality of playing D1 with some of the best athletes in the world and the effort needed to do that might be waht is needed at this point. 

A kid that scored 14 points a game and was second team all conference expecting to be given the world and playing time at the D1 level as a freshmen is clearly out of touch with reality. sems the ability is there but the work ethic is far from what is required to play at the d1 level or to make 1st team all conference for that matter!!

How would the coach know that MU messed up? There had never been a kid from this entire conference that had ever been more than a footnote in Division I play. Did Buzz tell him he would get playing time while he recruited him? Most certainly. Every coach would say this. Did all parties concerned realize that Brett was woefully out of his league when he got to MU? Probably. So everyone moves on. So we don't recruit from that league again. Big deal.

I, for one, would like to officially welcome all the new converts to the "Transfers are a Normal part of Big Time College Basketball" club.

Just a couple of years ago, a transfer like this would have elicited negative reactions ranging from "the coach is an ass for running a player off the team" to "the coach is a poor recruiter for ever thinking this guy could play in the first place." 

I said then and I say now, not every player pans out the way the coaching staff would like, thus every elite team has a significant number transfers--just look at teams like Duke, UConn, Kansas, etc.  We want to stay in the big time, as fans we have to get over our squeamishness over transfers. 

Good luck to Brett, who will hopefully join the ranks of prior transfers from Kevin Menard to Ryan Amoroso who have found success and an opportunity for meaningful contribution at a level more in line with their skills.

Good for Buzz for having the courage to make the tough calls like this--Now go out and find someone who will make our team better.

And congrats to many on the board, who sound like they're finally coming around to agreeing with what I've been saying for years. ;) 

Sign of the apoclpsye #1:  MU84 and MR.HAYWARD agree.

If Roseboro's coach knew that he was not Big East material, then why wasn't he telling Brett this before he signed/came?  The coach is supporting his player I suppose, but he also likely contributed to Roseboro's mentality.

How could a borderline high major think that he is going to show up at the Al and be handed significant minutes?  There is no way Buzz promised him any type of playing time.  Buzz probably sold him along the lines of the fact that we are thin up front so there is a decent chance he could get in.  

Roseboro can always look back and say he tried against tough competition.  He should have no regrets and this thing will just pass.  Hopefully Buzz gets another big body in here.

Quote from: reinko on August 23, 2009, 01:49:38 PM
Sign of the apoclpsye #1:  MU84 and MR.HAYWARD agree.

Ha!  Now we just need Murff and Chicos on board.

The scholarship is a contract and should be honored at least for one year-----however here it appears that Buzz & Co tried to run him off and were successful in so doing.

I can here opposing coaches telling recruits going forward that you have to prove yourself twice at MU-----once during the initial recruiting process and then again in summer scrimmages before they even have had a chance to coach you----otherwise you out of here!

Had they given him a year under supervised coaching conditions and he didn't respond ------well that's a different story then it's in everyone's interest to go in different directions.

The way this was handled is not good for recruiting!

This won't hurt recruiting one bit.  Every player thinks they are good enough when they are recruited.

Some of you might say this isn't running someone off, I guess it's a matter of semantics.  In my opinion, I don't have a problem with it, but we need to stop the holier than though idea that Buzz or Crean or Jesus Christ doesn't do this stuff.

It's pretty clear from this article that the staff soured on Roseboro and "made him not wanted".  Happens all the time, but that's basically running off a kid.  At least that's how the kid took it, Buzz will have to tell his side of the story.  Either way, I don't have a problem with it, better to do it now but let's stop pretending that Buzz isn't capable of telling a kid you're better off going elsewhere (that's the same as running them off).

Here's the article.....it definitely takes shots at our recruiting process with this kid.  Looks like we didn't do our homework very well and jumped the gun on the offer.  Who was the lead recruiter on Roseboro?


http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/august/23/roseboro-chooses-to-withdraw-from-marquette.html

Of course I do not know what the coaches told him when they were recruiting him, but it always seemed to me that they talked about him being a player that could be good down the road. Kind of like Burke who pretty much did not play his first two years. This article made it sound like Roseboro was going to play a lot right away. There is no way 13 players all get significant playing time. A lot of teams do not even go 9 deep. Freshmen should realize that unless they are exceptional players they are not going to get much time as a freshmen.

I don't mind "running guys off" if they aren't good enough to make an impact.  Pull the band-aid off the scab quick.

But I think we all mind recruiting and offering guys and regretting it ~9 months later.

(Reminds me of an old acronym we used at work .. That's guy is PURE.  Previously Undetected Recruiting Error.)

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 23, 2009, 03:23:29 PM
Here's the article.....it definitely takes shots at our recruiting process with this kid.  Looks like we didn't do our homework very well and jumped the gun on the offer.  Who was the lead recruiter on Roseboro?

That's what worries me the most about this.  BR will be fine.  He'll get into a D1 school, get a free education, and will play basketball.  The bigger question is how we made such a big whiff after what seemingly was a whirlwind recruitment.

Quote from: Marquette84 on August 23, 2009, 02:00:51 PM
Ha!  Now we just need Murff and Chicos on board.

I can't read what Hayward says so it's going to be tough for me.   ;)

Unfortunately, Marquette 84 is on target with his comments. sign of the times.  Just the way it is.  Hopefully Buzz can keep these to a minimum.  But, most schools are now plagued with this issue.  In this case, I suspect Brett is "at fault" as well as he apparently got in over his head.  Certainly Rosiak's blogs on the open gyms and BF's senior HS performance are evidence of that.

Quote from: Nukem2 on August 23, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
Unfortunately, Marquette 84 is on target with his comments. sign of the times.  Just the way it is.  Hopefully Buzz can keep these to a minimum.  But, most schools are now plagued with this issue.  In this case, I suspect Brett is "at fault" as well as he apparently got in over his head.  Certainly Rosiak's blogs on the open gyms and BF's senior HS performance are evidence of that.

I have a tough time blaming much if any of this on the player.  The guy is 17 years old.  When a Big East staff recruits you and offers you a scholarship to play in the Big East and tells you you're ready (or will be ready), what's the kid supposed to do?  Isn't the coaching staff supposed to be the expert evaluators?  The kid is going to hear these accolades and believe that the coaches see in him what they saw in other similar players in the past.  I have to think a 17 year old kid is going to listen to a recruiting expert with the recruiting chops Buzz has had over the years, tough to put much if any of this on the kid IMO.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 23, 2009, 03:23:29 PM
Here's the article.....it definitely takes shots at our recruiting process with this kid.  Looks like we didn't do our homework very well and jumped the gun on the offer.  Who was the lead recruiter on Roseboro?

Or maybe it's a case of sour grapes/protecting his player on the coach's part. Do you really think the coach is going to tell a reporter, for example, "Yeah, Brett just wasn't cut out for Big East play."? Of course you don't (at least I certainly hope you don't).

I'd say the chances of that being the case are at least as good as the story the coach told that reporter.

Quote from: IAmMarquette on August 23, 2009, 08:10:57 PM

Or maybe it's a case of sour grapes/protecting his player on the coach's part. Do you really think the coach is going to tell a reporter, for example, "Yeah, Brett just wasn't cut out for Big East play."? Of course you don't (at least I certainly hope you don't).

I'd say the chances of that being the case are at least as good as the story the coach told that reporter.

Perhaps, but when you look at who else offered him we're the ones that aren't like the others.  And actually, the article mentions two coaches saying this, not just one.  Yes, I'm sure they're protecting their player but the part about never seeing him play in a game seems odd to me.  If anything, in the paragraph below he seems to indicate that it was the MU coaching staff who thought he was a Big East player but the Quaker coaches weren't necessarily saying the same thing. 


"I don't see how you can recruit a kid and not watch his games," Anderson said.

"It's just mind boggling," Keeler said. "I don't think the guy that scouted him and recruited him did his homework. These guys were really cocky. They thought they had this great Division I player to come right off Quakertown High School and play for them right away. But I've seen Big East ball. I know what it's all about."

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 23, 2009, 03:23:29 PM
Some of you might say this isn't running someone off, I guess it's a matter of semantics.  In my opinion, I don't have a problem with it, but we need to stop the holier than though idea that Buzz or Crean or Jesus Christ doesn't do this stuff.

It's pretty clear from this article that the staff soured on Roseboro and "made him not wanted".  Happens all the time, but that's basically running off a kid.  At least that's how the kid took it, Buzz will have to tell his side of the story.  Either way, I don't have a problem with it, better to do it now but let's stop pretending that Buzz isn't capable of telling a kid you're better off going elsewhere (that's the same as running them off).

Here's the article.....it definitely takes shots at our recruiting process with this kid.  Looks like we didn't do our homework very well and jumped the gun on the offer.  Who was the lead recruiter on Roseboro?


http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/august/23/roseboro-chooses-to-withdraw-from-marquette.html

Whoa, hey, easy now!! correct me if I am wrong, I am pretty sure Jesus takes allcomers!   :P

Quote from: Marquette84 on August 23, 2009, 01:41:11 PM
I, for one, would like to officially welcome all the new converts to the "Transfers are a Normal part of Big Time College Basketball" club.

Just a couple of years ago, a transfer like this would have elicited negative reactions ranging from "the coach is an ass for running a player off the team" to "the coach is a poor recruiter for ever thinking this guy could play in the first place." 

I said then and I say now, not every player pans out the way the coaching staff would like, thus every elite team has a significant number transfers--just look at teams like Duke, UConn, Kansas, etc.  We want to stay in the big time, as fans we have to get over our squeamishness over transfers. 

Good luck to Brett, who will hopefully join the ranks of prior transfers from Kevin Menard to Ryan Amoroso who have found success and an opportunity for meaningful contribution at a level more in line with their skills.

Good for Buzz for having the courage to make the tough calls like this--Now go out and find someone who will make our team better.

And congrats to many on the board, who sound like they're finally coming around to agreeing with what I've been saying for years. ;) 

The way I see it, it's just a microcosm of college attrition rates in general.  This is just a very specific student demographic.  I mean, with 7 players coming in 1 class, odds are higher that not all 7 will stay!  I mean, not to pout, but Ous was the only person left from my year's original recruiting class (bye bye Dameon Mason, Amoroso, and?? ) by the time I graduated, so it definitely happens.  Obviously with 7 new faces, that is 6 new people he has to compete w/ for PT as well as whatever PT will go to the returning players.  It is just so much less clear cut versus joining a non rebuilding team (hence the last minute change up?? notice it happened right after our 2 internat'ls were approved....)  I am glad Brett was able to recognize (or was shown) the writing on the wall; no one wants someone here if they are not going to be happy and/or succeed. 

With weather like last week's . . . bring on October!

Well, two things come to mind:

1) a weird "win-win": Brett gets to keep his eligibility and we still have a scholly. At least, BR was kind in the newspaper and Buzz reciprocated and didn't play out the "holding onto the scholly" thing too long.

2) It may affect recruiting but to many recruits, I have a feeling that they'll look at it as "there's a slot open at a Big East school" rather than "I'm taking the place of a dude whose scholly was reclaimed". And this potential problem is a whole heckuva lot better than "Pitino's Pound Party at a Pasta Place."

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 24, 2009, 12:06:59 AM
Well, two things come to mind:

1) a weird "win-win": Brett gets to keep his eligibility and we still have a scholly. At least, BR was kind in the newspaper and Buzz reciprocated and didn't play out the "holding onto the scholly" thing too long.

2) It may affect recruiting but to many recruits, I have a feeling that they'll look at it as "there's a slot open at a Big East school" rather than "I'm taking the place of a dude whose scholly was reclaimed". And this potential problem is a whole heckuva lot better than "Pitino's Pound Party at a Pasta Place."

+1   That's exactly why it happened.  Buzz gets a scholarship for clearly a bad recruiting mistake.  The kid gets to go play somewhere else, hopefully Buzz is assisting in that process somehow. 

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 24, 2009, 12:10:48 AM
+1   That's exactly why it happened.  Buzz gets a scholarship for clearly a bad recruiting mistake.  The kid gets to go play somewhere else, hopefully Buzz is assisting in that process somehow. 

+1   Buzz and particularly Collins who was the primary scout, better be working hard to find him a great spot.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 23, 2009, 08:52:50 PM
Perhaps, but when you look at who else offered him we're the ones that aren't like the others.  And actually, the article mentions two coaches saying this, not just one.  Yes, I'm sure they're protecting their player but the part about never seeing him play in a game seems odd to me.  If anything, in the paragraph below he seems to indicate that it was the MU coaching staff who thought he was a Big East player but the Quaker coaches weren't necessarily saying the same thing. 


"I don't see how you can recruit a kid and not watch his games," Anderson said.

"It's just mind boggling," Keeler said. "I don't think the guy that scouted him and recruited him did his homework. These guys were really cocky. They thought they had this great Division I player to come right off Quakertown High School and play for them right away. But I've seen Big East ball. I know what it's all about."

These quote are misleading.

They did see him play...in AAU ball.  Correct me if I am wrong, but it is pretty tough for a college coaching staff to watch a HS game in Pennsylvania when at the same time that the college team is playing in Wisconsin.  Furthermore by that time his HS season rolled around, he had already committed.  What point was there to seeing him then?

I actually think this worked out for the best. It would've been bad for the team and the kid if Roseboro sat around unhappy and sulking for a year, and then transferred. Wish him the best and move on.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 24, 2009, 07:21:11 AM

These quote are misleading.

They did see him play...in AAU ball.  Correct me if I am wrong, but it is pretty tough for a college coaching staff to watch a HS game in Pennsylvania when at the same time that the college team is playing in Wisconsin.  Furthermore by that time his HS season rolled around, he had already committed.  What point was there to seeing him then?

They saw him briefly during the IS8 tournament in New York where Maymon was playing.  Roseboro's play prior to that hadn't really led anyone to think that he was ready for high major ball, and he committed soon after that.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/34377309.html

Buzz on Roseboro on signing day, the first day he can officially comment on recruits:

QuoteHe doesn't know where he's at quite yet physically, and he's not quite sure what he needs to do on the court in a lot of ways.

Quote"The reason we got Brett was not because he blew up. When he blew up, I asked Aki, 'Hey, Aki, what's going on with this kid?' And he said, 'Coach, I've been recruiting him for a month.' And I said, 'Well, why didn't you tell me?' And he said, 'Coach, I knew you were tired of wasting days.' Because obviously every time we leave campus, that counts as a day.

"We did a home visit with Brett right at the very end of the contact period in the fall, and then because of Aki's relationship with the coach, and the AAU coaches and the mom, and Brett most importantly, we were able to hold fim on that."

So, I'm seeing that Buzz & Collins did do their homework on BR & they knew his limitations at the get go.

I have to guess that they weren't seeing the development that they were expecting to see in the last 10 months.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 17, 2009, 07:11:40 PM
My bet is that he's [Roseboro] the first Buzz recruit to transfer. 

Notice the date on the Sultan's prediction.

It seems unanimous among the people that matter that Buzz and staff made a recruiting mistake with Roseboro.  Buzz and staff seem to realize it, Roseboro seems to accept it, and Roseboro's HS coaches seem to agree.  I think that having recognized the mistake, the big question is what to do about it.  I think it is better for everyone involved to fix this early instead of late.  Like a lot of other people, my guess is that Buzz (or someone on the staff) had a frank conversation with Brett and told him that he faces a real uphill battle at MU.  I'm not sure that I would characterize this as "running him off" but I'd guess that they made it pretty clear to him that his career at MU probably wouldn't be all that he'd hoped for and his basketball aspirations would be better served somewhere else.  I'm hoping MU was willing to honor the scholarship and gave Brett the option to stay a year if he wanted, but everyone realized that there was no reason to drag things out.

I hope Brett finds a program that feels right to him and hope he has a great college career.

Holy crap...I forgot I posted that.  I'm a flippin' genius! 

(But I remember I got roasted for that post now that I think about it.)

MU did watch Roseboro play in AAU ball. There was no reason to ever watch him play on his Quakertown team because there is little if any talent in that league. Congrats to Brett for recognizing his limitations and the way it was handled.

I agree with you 100%. I don't think the coaching staff pushed him off at all, if they did he should of said something when the media interviewed him. Coach may have had talks and told him he needs to improve quite a bit on all areas of his game before he sees anything more than garbage minutes. He knows that he has no career in basketball after college and wants to play as soon and often as possble now. Kids don't want to sit on the bench for 2 years and develope before they see alot of gametime.

Quote from: rugbydrummer on August 23, 2009, 11:25:26 PM

The way I see it, it's just a microcosm of college attrition rates in general.  This is just a very specific student demographic.  I mean, with 7 players coming in 1 class, odds are higher that not all 7 will stay!  I mean, not to pout, but Ous was the only person left from my year's original recruiting class (bye bye Dameon Mason, Amoroso, and?? ) by the time I graduated, so it definitely happens.  Obviously with 7 new faces, that is 6 new people he has to compete w/ for PT as well as whatever PT will go to the returning players.  It is just so much less clear cut versus joining a non rebuilding team (hence the last minute change up?? notice it happened right after our 2 internat'ls were approved....)  I am glad Brett was able to recognize (or was shown) the writing on the wall; no one wants someone here if they are not going to be happy and/or succeed. 

With weather like last week's . . . bring on October!

Hate to break it to you, but Dameon Mason was not in the recruiting class your freshman year.  He came in right after the Final Four in the fall of 2003.  In his class were James Matthews, Brandon Bell, and Carlton Christian.  All four were gone in two years, and two of them did not last a year.  That was a serious problem for the Crean staff.  Amoroso came in a year after that and left.  Matt Mortenson came in, red-shirted, had a problem with an NCAA rule, and was declared ineligible and transferred.  Niv Berkowicz came in at the semester, played in one game, and headed back to Israel.  Not a good period for Marquette recruiting. 

Quote from: Goatherder on August 25, 2009, 12:55:18 AM
Hate to break it to you, but Dameon Mason was not in the recruiting class your freshman year.  He came in right after the Final Four in the fall of 2003.  In his class were James Matthews, Brandon Bell, and Carlton Christian.  All four were gone in two years, and two of them did not last a year.  That was a serious problem for the Crean staff.  Amoroso came in a year after that and left.  Matt Mortenson came in, red-shirted, had a problem with an NCAA rule, and was declared ineligible and transferred.  Niv Berkowicz came in at the semester, played in one game, and headed back to Israel.  Not a good period for Marquette recruiting. 

No hard feelings, I know that time was a little fuzzy for me (MU basketball was just so new and shiny for me back then!)  Also I hang out with alum a couple years my senior at the games (not that it's a valid excuse) and they had seen a James Matthews jersey at one of the games last season and they were like "WHERE did he get that??"  Certainly out of those 4 the only one i remember was Mason.  He was supposed to be the next solid player, but it looks like he fizzled out at LSU, what a shame.

so my class was Ous & Ammo originally ... then MM, Niv .... yeah there was a bit of revolving door action, good thing we landed those 3 amigos to stay!  I was wondering when someone was going to fill in the blanks on my post, thanks goatherder ;)

Quote from: rugbydrummer on August 25, 2009, 02:25:08 AM
so my class was Ous & Ammo originally ... then MM, Niv .... yeah there was a bit of revolving door action, good thing we landed those 3 amigos to stay!  I was wondering when someone was going to fill in the blanks on my post, thanks goatherder ;)

Mort wasn't in that class.  Mort was with the Amigos, Burke and Lott.  During that era it went:

2003: MJax, Bell, Christian, Mason, James Matthews
2004: Ammo, Barro, Kinsella, Niv
2005: Amigos, Mortensen, Burke, Lott

I don't put in much stock with what most HS/Prep/AAU coaches say.  In this instance, the coach at Quakerstate is the one with the inflammatory quotes and Brett makes simple, professional statements. 

Looks like we're out of the Quakertown recruiting pipeline. 

Brett, best of luck.

Buzz is and will continue to recruit.  In the Charlotte Observer today a story on David Chadwick Jr. who signed to play at Wash. St. under Tony Benett.  When Bennett bolted to VA he left Chadwick in the dust.  Chadwick will play for Hargrave Military Academy this year but in the article he says Marquette had contacted him about pursuing a last minute scholarship for this school year....

Quote from: T-Bone on August 25, 2009, 10:10:29 AM
I don't put in much stock with what most HS/Prep/AAU coaches say.  In this instance, the coach at Quakerstate is the one with the inflammatory quotes and Brett makes simple, professional statements. 

Looks like we're out of the Quakertown recruiting pipeline. 

Brett, best of luck.

The coach also references that Brett told him those things.  Maybe the coaches are lying?  Or maybe Brett did say those things to them and now with the need to acquire a new scholarship he's playing it straight down the middle.

Quote from: bma725 on August 25, 2009, 06:20:59 AM
Mort wasn't in that class.  Mort was with the Amigos, Burke and Lott.  During that era it went:

2003: MJax, Bell, Christian, Mason, James Matthews
2004: Ammo, Barro, Kinsella, Niv
2005: Amigos, Mortensen, Burke, Lott

Sorry, it gets confusing with all the transfers.  Ooze was in the class right after Matthews, because he took Matthews scholie.  When Ooze committed, it put Marquette one over the limit.  The question was where the scholie was coming from.  Then Matthews got kicked off the team.  

Honestly, I am not sure what year Berkowitz arrived, and he was hardly around long enough to celebrate a Sabbath on campus before heading back to Israel, but as I recall, it was in the middle of the year and he came in at the semester.  

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2009, 12:36:28 PM
The coach also references that Brett told him those things.  Maybe the coaches are lying?  Or maybe Brett did say those things to them and now with the need to acquire a new scholarship he's playing it straight down the middle.

No, the coach merely says that this is what the coaches told Roseboro, not that Roseboro repeated the conversation to him.  He is not quoting Roseboro.  He is offering his own memory of events.  This is a coach who has never had a D-1 recruit before.  It was a big deal at his HS.  It blew up.  The coaches are disappointed and talking about how unfair it is.  It reflects poorly on them, or at least they do not get the chance to say they sent a kid to a Big East school.  The coaches say some other stupid things.  One says he knew this wasn't going to work because he has seen Big East basketball and he knows what it takes to compete with those players!  Does he think the Marquette coaches hadn't?  That they did not have an idea of what it takes?  That they are unaware of the talent in their own conference?

I think what happened here is that a kid got a better offer than he expected.   He jumped at it.  He found out that this is pretty tough, and he will not get a lot of playing time.  He decided to go somewhere else.  Not a big deal, he is not mad at the coaches, just wants to try something else and go somewhere he will be more comfortable.  Parsing words from second hand sources is silly.

Quote from: MU86NC on August 25, 2009, 12:35:27 PM
Buzz is and will continue to recruit.  In the Charlotte Observer today a story on David Chadwick Jr. who signed to play at Wash. St. under Tony Benett.  When Bennett bolted to VA he left Chadwick in the dust.  Chadwick will play for Hargrave Military Academy this year but in the article he says Marquette had contacted him about pursuing a last minute scholarship for this school year....

To finish this story properly (from The Charlotte Observer (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/scottfowler/story/906829.html)) this young man said "thanks, but no thanks" to MU, Memphis and New Mexico offers to play this year.

Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 25, 2009, 12:53:05 PM
To finish this story properly (from The Charlotte Observer (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/scottfowler/story/906829.html)) this young man said "thanks, but no thanks" to MU, Memphis and New Mexico offers to play this year.

I doubt we pursued that hard with a last minute offer...that guy looks like a darker version of BR.

Quote from: muarmy81 on August 25, 2009, 02:59:26 PM
I doubt we pursued that hard with a last minute offer...that guy looks like a darker version of BR.

Except this guy is fielding offers from teams > St. Bonaventure.

Quote from: Goatherder on August 25, 2009, 12:37:35 PM
Sorry, it gets confusing with all the transfers.  Ooze was in the class right after Matthews, because he took Matthews scholie.  When Ooze committed, it put Marquette one over the limit.  The question was where the scholie was coming from.  Then Matthews got kicked off the team.  

Honestly, I am not sure what year Berkowitz arrived, and he was hardly around long enough to celebrate a Sabbath on campus before heading back to Israel, but as I recall, it was in the middle of the year and he came in at the semester.  

Yeah, that was my general take, it wasn't so much a recruiting class after ous/ammo anymore, just the Revolving Door Syndrome (i did like the little bit we saw of Niv, mortensen was just kind of "there", idk)