Brett Roseboro no longer attending Marquette?

[IAmMarquette]

So a kid left a program. Big f*cking deal. Happens all the time, but somebody's gotta be at fault, right?

BFD.


Best to you, Mr. Roseboro. (that was sincere).

[wadesworld]

Didn't somebody mention that even if MU had wanted to push Brett out they couldn't have?  Scholarships are like 1 year renewable contracts, they don't have to be renewed every year, but once they are signed for that year you can't take them away.  I'm assuming this was Brett's decision since he had the scholarship already.

Not to mention why would we push him out now?  We now have 11 scholarship players and one still has amateur issues and will most likely be sitting out X amount of games, so we're pretty thin on scholarship players.  If anything, I think he would have been kept on in case Mbao has to sit out a considerable amount of time and he is the 2nd tallest player on the team.  He could have been thrown in just to take up 10 minutes if some players get in some foul trouble.  If we then decide after the season he's not worth it, my guess is that would be the point that we decide to "get rid of him."

Looks like he decided he wanted to back out, for whatever reason it may have been (didn't think he'd play, was homesick, etc.).

[bma725]

Didn't somebody mention that even if MU had wanted to push Brett out they couldn't have?  Scholarships are like 1 year renewable contracts, they don't have to be renewed every year, but once they are signed for that year you can't take them away.  I'm assuming this was Brett's decision since he had the scholarship already.

Bingo.  Once your here, you've got the scholarship for the year and they can't take it from you unless you commit some sort of infraction.

The things Buzz supposedly said to Roseboro are the exact same things Crean said to Krunti Hester his first year.  Krunti chose to stay anyway and transfer after the year, it appears Roseboro isn't willing to do that.

[Nukem2]

Bingo.  Once your here, you've got the scholarship for the year and they can't take it from you unless you commit some sort of infraction.

The things Buzz supposedly said to Roseboro are the exact same things Crean said to Krunti Hester his first year.  Krunti chose to stay anyway and transfer after the year, it appears Roseboro isn't willing to do that.

Don't disagree with you at all; but, BR was Buzz's recruit.  Highly unusual situation unless BR saw the writing on the wall or was simply homesick.

[DomJamesToTheBasket]

if Buzz told him that he doesn't expect Brett to get anything more than a few minutes a game if he's lucky, then 1) Brett could have decided on his own that he wanted starter minutes so he left or 2) Brett felt Buzz was pressuring him to leave and did so.

In Buzz's lone season, we found out quickly that he is brutally honest. He does not pull punches. Roseboro was probably told rather succinctly that playing time was going to be scarce. It's better to leave now than a year or two from now.

[GGGG]

1. It seems obvious that Buzz and BR had a conversation about playing time and that BR reacted negatively to that.  How negative that conversation was we will likely never know.

2. This was obviously a recruiting mistake by Buzz because he either didn't have the talent to compete at this level (and the other schools looking at him seem to indicate that), or he was not mature enough to hear what Buzz had to say.

It's a shame that it had to get to two weeks before the season started for Buzz to realize that this was a mistake, but it clearly was a mistake and it's better to recognize this early for everyone involved.

[MR.HAYWARD]

sorry sultan you are misguided this leaving is all on brett not buzz.  absolutely no reason for buzz to run off a kid that he could use and that he just gave a scholarship.  the kid was overwhelmed and left nothing more sinister than that

[Urban_Legend]

It would be very disappointing if this was Buzz initiated.

It sounds as though it was, based on quotes from high school coach, but it could be sour-grapes. However, I'm sure other Big East programs will be using this as ammunition for kids looking at Marquette.  Just my 2 cents.

[GGGG]

sorry sultan you are misguided this leaving is all on brett not buzz.  absolutely no reason for buzz to run off a kid that he could use and that he just gave a scholarship.  the kid was overwhelmed and left nothing more sinister than that

I never said he ran him off, but it seems obvious that a conversation about playing time took place.  I don't know how the tone of that conversation went though...did he say "Brett, you are simply not going to play here." or did he say "Brett, you need to work on x, y and z, otherwise playing time is going to be hard to come by."

Either way, I think it is undeniable from reading the blog that this conversation took place and that BR found it negative...negative enough that moving on to St. Boneventure or East Tennessee seemed like better options.  Regardless, in the long run this is the best thing for all parties involved.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I never said he ran him off, but it seems obvious that a conversation about playing time took place.  I don't know how the tone of that conversation went though...did he say "Brett, you are simply not going to play here." or did he say "Brett, you need to work on x, y and z, otherwise playing time is going to be hard to come by."

Either way, I think it is undeniable from reading the blog that this conversation took place and that BR found it negative...negative enough that moving on to St. Boneventure or East Tennessee seemed like better options.  Regardless, in the long run this is the best thing for all parties involved.

And Hayward knows this how exactly?   

[Daniel]

Buzz has always said he only wants kids who really want to be here - maybe Brett had a change of heart - what do we know?  But there was nothing to gain by Buzz in running him off - just wouldn't happen as I see it.  Let's wait until the announcement on Monday and see....

[ChicosBailBonds]

Buzz has always said he only wants kids who really want to be here - maybe Brett had a change of heart - what do we know?  But there wa snothing to gain by Buzz in running him off - jsut wouldn;t happen as I see it.  Let's wait until the announcement on Monday and see....

It probably all comes down to what is is.  The kid should never have been recruited to come at MU, the kid realized it, he parts way and is happy and Buzz is happy because he can overcome a recruiting mistake.  Whether he was "run off" or not, when you tell a kid you aren't playing you're being honest with the kid but you're also trying to paint as clear a picture as possible that he's going to ride pine. 

[MR.HAYWARD]

I never said he ran him off, but it seems obvious that a conversation about playing time took place.  I don't know how the tone of that conversation went though...did he say "Brett, you are simply not going to play here." or did he say "Brett, you need to work on x, y and z, otherwise playing time is going to be hard to come by."

Either way, I think it is undeniable from reading the blog that this conversation took place and that BR found it negative...negative enough that moving on to St. Boneventure or East Tennessee seemed like better options.  Regardless, in the long run this is the best thing for all parties involved.

sultan if you put it that way then i can agree with you ..however, that is no different than what a coach would say to anyother player and is only being honest.  heck those converstaions take place at even lower levels.  and i guarantee it was handled at a constructive level...nothing to be gained for him to leave now ..and clearly brett took it as too hard or much to over come etc and chose to leave... no way he was "run out". we are a injury or two away from not being able to conduct a 5 on 5 practice.  the negatives of him leaving at this time are too many to list not to mention the biggest of him potential being able to contribut after 2-3 years or incredible dedication to his game.  and i am sure that was didcusse dtoo.

[texaswarrior74]

From a Philadelphia area paper; his HS coaches are sure throwing a lot of mud at Buzz and staff. This is the kind of stuff that other coaches can and will use to recruit against us. This is certainly not something we want being said and then written about the program.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/august/23/roseboro-chooses-to-withdraw-from-marquette.html

Perhaps Buzz needs to learn to be a little less brutally honest as has often been said regarding many of his "candid" remarks.

[tower912]

I am willing to admit he is gone now.      Reading that article, it looks like he believed he was guaranteed playing time.   At the time, McMorrow, Otule, EWill and Jeronne were all already on board.   If the MU staff guaranteed playing time, shame on them.   If, as I suspect, he was promised the opportunity to compete for playing time, got here and was not competitive, that is something else entirely and I hope he finds a good fit.   Best of luck, Brett.

[MR.HAYWARD]

guys i have absoletely no idea what one can take out of that article that was negative towards MU.  It appears the coaching staff has absolutely no clue about big time basketball.  The kid is being recruited...as many many coaches have said many times they will recruit the hell out of the kid and tell him how great he is but everything is going to change when they step on campus.   the coaches flat out tell the kids that.

I mean seriously how much playing time was Brett or the coach expecting...even his coach said ..."They thought they had this great Division I player to come right off Quakertown High School and play for them right away. But I've seen Big East ball. I know what it's all about"
ahh sorry coach but Buzz and crew have seen BE ball too and i am sure they know waht it takes.

it clearly appears Brett was overwhelmed by the talent of big time recruits and decided to turn tail and run.

Brett states "it turned out that it just wasn't right for me, so I decided that I would release and try to find a new college."

the coach says..."They just fawned all over him and had the hard sell," Keeler said. "And once he showed up there he did all they asked him to do, according to what Brett told me (Saturday), and I guess they just didn't like what they saw and made him not wanted. And that's a shame. But that's the way life is."

"It's a real messed-up situation," Anderson said. "They messed up; they didn't do their homework, and they offered the kid the world. And then a week before school starts they tell him he's not going to get playing time."

the coach says "he is guessing" they made him feel not wanted.  Does telling a kid not to expect much playing time mean he is not wanted?  this is totally one sided.  Would he rather have been told he was going to get a lot of playing time?  lets get real here!  like i have said it takes a special person to be the 12th man and a special person to decide he is going to work his rump off given his lack of god given ability just to crack the rotation come junior senior year ala a david Diggs or a Abel joseph.  Apparently the "beast" simply decided he did not want ot work that hard for 2-3 years to crack the rotation...that is fine I am sure a school like St. bonaventure he will not have to work as hard or wait as long to to crack the rotation, but those schools are not that far behind and a dose of reality of playing D1 with some of the best athletes in the world and the effort needed to do that might be waht is needed at this point. 

A kid that scored 14 points a game and was second team all conference expecting to be given the world and playing time at the D1 level as a freshmen is clearly out of touch with reality. sems the ability is there but the work ethic is far from what is required to play at the d1 level or to make 1st team all conference for that matter!!

[ecompt]

How would the coach know that MU messed up? There had never been a kid from this entire conference that had ever been more than a footnote in Division I play. Did Buzz tell him he would get playing time while he recruited him? Most certainly. Every coach would say this. Did all parties concerned realize that Brett was woefully out of his league when he got to MU? Probably. So everyone moves on. So we don't recruit from that league again. Big deal.

[Marquette84]

I, for one, would like to officially welcome all the new converts to the "Transfers are a Normal part of Big Time College Basketball" club.

Just a couple of years ago, a transfer like this would have elicited negative reactions ranging from "the coach is an ass for running a player off the team" to "the coach is a poor recruiter for ever thinking this guy could play in the first place." 

I said then and I say now, not every player pans out the way the coaching staff would like, thus every elite team has a significant number transfers--just look at teams like Duke, UConn, Kansas, etc.  We want to stay in the big time, as fans we have to get over our squeamishness over transfers. 

Good luck to Brett, who will hopefully join the ranks of prior transfers from Kevin Menard to Ryan Amoroso who have found success and an opportunity for meaningful contribution at a level more in line with their skills.

Good for Buzz for having the courage to make the tough calls like this--Now go out and find someone who will make our team better.

And congrats to many on the board, who sound like they're finally coming around to agreeing with what I've been saying for years.  

[reinko]

Sign of the apoclpsye #1:  MU84 and MR.HAYWARD agree.

[HoopsMalone]

If Roseboro's coach knew that he was not Big East material, then why wasn't he telling Brett this before he signed/came?  The coach is supporting his player I suppose, but he also likely contributed to Roseboro's mentality.

How could a borderline high major think that he is going to show up at the Al and be handed significant minutes?  There is no way Buzz promised him any type of playing time.  Buzz probably sold him along the lines of the fact that we are thin up front so there is a decent chance he could get in.  

Roseboro can always look back and say he tried against tough competition.  He should have no regrets and this thing will just pass.  Hopefully Buzz gets another big body in here.

[Marquette84]

Sign of the apoclpsye #1:  MU84 and MR.HAYWARD agree.

Ha!  Now we just need Murff and Chicos on board.

[Murffieus]

The scholarship is a contract and should be honored at least for one year-----however here it appears that Buzz & Co tried to run him off and were successful in so doing.

I can here opposing coaches telling recruits going forward that you have to prove yourself twice at MU-----once during the initial recruiting process and then again in summer scrimmages before they even have had a chance to coach you----otherwise you out of here!

Had they given him a year under supervised coaching conditions and he didn't respond ------well that's a different story then it's in everyone's interest to go in different directions.

The way this was handled is not good for recruiting!

[GGGG]

This won't hurt recruiting one bit.  Every player thinks they are good enough when they are recruited.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Some of you might say this isn't running someone off, I guess it's a matter of semantics.  In my opinion, I don't have a problem with it, but we need to stop the holier than though idea that Buzz or Crean or Jesus Christ doesn't do this stuff.

It's pretty clear from this article that the staff soured on Roseboro and "made him not wanted".  Happens all the time, but that's basically running off a kid.  At least that's how the kid took it, Buzz will have to tell his side of the story.  Either way, I don't have a problem with it, better to do it now but let's stop pretending that Buzz isn't capable of telling a kid you're better off going elsewhere (that's the same as running them off).

Here's the article.....it definitely takes shots at our recruiting process with this kid.  Looks like we didn't do our homework very well and jumped the gun on the offer.  Who was the lead recruiter on Roseboro?


http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/august/23/roseboro-chooses-to-withdraw-from-marquette.html

[bilsu]

Of course I do not know what the coaches told him when they were recruiting him, but it always seemed to me that they talked about him being a player that could be good down the road. Kind of like Burke who pretty much did not play his first two years. This article made it sound like Roseboro was going to play a lot right away. There is no way 13 players all get significant playing time. A lot of teams do not even go 9 deep. Freshmen should realize that unless they are exceptional players they are not going to get much time as a freshmen.