Author Topic: So where does MU end up being seeded now? (Read 8862 times)

Doris Burkes Thong · « **on:** March 12, 2009, 04:44:15 PM »

Thoughts?

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2009, 04:44:56 PM »

6. Maybe 7. Might be time to reconstruct the list of teams that will be ahead of them.

Shack · « **Reply #2 on:** March 12, 2009, 04:45:33 PM »

Marquette_g · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2009, 04:45:40 PM »

I think we are a 7 with an outside chance at 6. A win today maybe secures the 6, but most likely it would have had minimal impact.

RJax55 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2009, 04:47:17 PM »

Hopefully, a 7 seed.

Also, will be rooting hard tonight for both West Virginia and Syracuse to lose.

MUfan12 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2009, 04:49:12 PM »

6.

7 if we would have gotten blown out.

Nukem2 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2009, 04:51:19 PM »

I think a 6 is highly possible. Certainly no lower than a 7. Look at the field. Our RPI is only going to go up over the next two and 1/2 days as Pitt, UConn, Lousville, Nova, WVU and SU slug it out and helpp increase our SOS.

Coleman · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2009, 04:52:16 PM »

ZMovieman · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2009, 04:53:21 PM »

I think 6 or 7 too. Who are we looking at in these tourney games that needs to lose to help us out? I'm assuming we need Syracuse and West Virginia (especially). I'd also guess having Clemson lose helped.

bma725 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 12, 2009, 04:53:47 PM »

I think they deserve a 7, and since I always go too high by a few spots, they'll probably get a 9.

Wade4Life · « **Reply #10 on:** March 12, 2009, 04:54:01 PM »

7 means you are in the top 28; i think we should be a 6 seed (top 24)

Norm · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2009, 04:54:25 PM »

I'm guessing a 7, maybe an 8. They will kill us on our record without James. I doubt they will take into account that we will have played 5 top 15 teams in our last 6 games and were in 4 of them to the very end.

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #12 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:03:02 PM »

Here's the list I quickly cobbled together...

Almost certainly ahead of MU...

Pitt
Uconn
UL
Villanova
Syracuse
MSU
UNC
Duke
Wake
FSU
Oklahoma
Kansas
Mizzou
Washington
UCLA
Xavier
Utah

Others possibly ahead of MU....

Gonzaga
Clemson
Tennessee
Illinois
Purdue

If I counted right, that's 22, and I would argue against most in the second group.

Lighthouse 84 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:04:31 PM »

i've got to think a 6 at worst. yes, we've got losses, but we just lost to Nova by 1 and but for a brain cramp on Jerel's part for the last 40 seconds, we win. after being down 16 at half, hopefully the selection committee gives us an easy road to a game to play Nova again.

Wade4Life · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:07:33 PM »

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 12, 2009, 05:03:02 PM

Almost certainly ahead of MU...

Pitt
Uconn
UL
Villanova
Syracuse
MSU
UNC
Duke
Wake
FSU
Oklahoma
Kansas
Mizzou
Washington
UCLA
Xavier
Utah

Others possibly ahead of MU....

Gonzaga
Clemson
Tennessee
Illinois
Purdue

FSU? Utah? Kansas just lost to a crappy baylor team; Illinois scoredd 33 points at home in one game this year; Clemson just lost to GT...you got to be kidding me with these teams. Besides Kansas, MU would roll any of the other teams I just mentioned.

willie warrior · « **Reply #15 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:07:51 PM »

If we announce that McNeal is benched, we might get a 7, with him we will get a 10 seed.

downtown85 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:08:23 PM »

bracket project has us as a solid 6. http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm

however, we seem to have gotten hosed by the committee more often than not so we are probaby deserving of a 6 but we shouldn't surprised with a 7.

The Man in Gold · « **Reply #17 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:11:22 PM »

ATWizJr · « **Reply #18 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:18:46 PM »

5-6 and certainly the same as Nova.

MUinCO · « **Reply #19 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:26:17 PM »

Quote from: Norm on March 12, 2009, 04:54:25 PM

I'm guessing a 7, maybe an 8. They will kill us on our record without James. I doubt they will take into account that we will have played 5 top 15 teams in our last 6 games and were in 4 of them to the very end.

Agree, 7 no higher...this team couldn't have picked a worse time to collapse. 1 for 6 since DJ's departure and a rookie coach is not going to play well at all.

This is still a very good team, but what breaks my heart is that it was a great team capable of beating anyone in the top 10 and a threat to go deep in the tournament. They can hang with the elite for a while, but the ability to finish has sadly evaporated.

mwbauer7 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:30:09 PM »

we'll be in the 8-9 game.

downtown85 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:31:44 PM »

Quote from: ATWizJr on March 12, 2009, 05:18:46 PM

5-6 and certainly the same as Nova.

Seriosly?

MU is 5-7 in the last 12 games
VU is 10-2 so far

MU is like a 30 in the RPI
VU is 14

VU took MU 2 out of 3 this year

VU has a better conference record than MU

MU has a star player injured
VU is healthy

VU should probably be seeded 3 or 4. MU would be lucky to get a 6. 5 would be a miracle. Expect a 7.

ATWizJr · « **Reply #22 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:34:08 PM »

VU beat us by 1 today, and we split the series during the regular season. 1.

OregonWarrior · « **Reply #23 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:35:26 PM »

Fully expect a 7. Think we are a 6 but with the DJ injury and play down the stretch (near misses are still losses), I'm not expecting any higher.

downtown85 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:40:55 PM »

Quote from: ATWizJr on March 12, 2009, 05:34:08 PM

VU beat us by 1 today, and we split the series during the regular season. 1.

I too think our team is as good as Nova's but the committee's criteria suggests that they get a 3-4 and we get a 6-7. Them's the breaks. Had we won today, the story would have been different, but not so different. Perhaps 1 seed drop by nova and one seed gain by MU.

Coleman · « **Reply #25 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:49:17 PM »

Quote from: downtown85 on March 12, 2009, 05:40:55 PM

I too think our team is as good as Nova's but the committee's criteria suggests that they get a 3-4 and we get a 6-7. Them's the breaks. Had we won today, the story would have been different, but not so different. Perhaps 1 seed drop by nova and one seed gain by MU.

+1

MarquetteFan94 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:53:07 PM »

There is absolutely no way in hell we get the same seed as Villanova....to even think that is remarkable. They will nearly be a top 10 team going into the tournament....definitely will if they beat L'ville tomorrow. We'll be lucky to be top 25....a 6 seed would be a gift at this point. We should be happy with a 7 at this point....I have an awful feeling they'll give us an 8 to create some "marquee" 8 vs. 9 matchup...that would be awesome.

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #27 on:** March 12, 2009, 06:10:22 PM »

Quote from: Wade4Life on March 12, 2009, 05:07:33 PM

FSU? Utah? Kansas just lost to a crappy baylor team; Illinois scoredd 33 points at home in one game this year; Clemson just lost to GT...you got to be kidding me with these teams. Besides Kansas, MU would roll any of the other teams I just mentioned.

Hey that's fine, but just saying it doesn't make it so...and apparently you missed the part where I said I would argue against most in the second group.

Personally, I would put MU ahead of Utah, Clemson, FSU, Illinos, Purdue, and probably Tennessee. That would make the 19th seed overall - a 5 - at this moment. I think that's fair. Unfortunately, I don't trust the committee to agree with me, and obviously there are still games to be played.

TheGym · « **Reply #28 on:** March 12, 2009, 06:12:39 PM »

When we get screwed and get an 8 seed, how pissed is everyone going to be?

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #29 on:** March 12, 2009, 06:23:38 PM »

Quote from: TheGym on March 12, 2009, 06:12:39 PM

When we get screwed and get an 8 seed, how pissed is everyone going to be?

Angry, but not surprised. That said, I actually do have a fair amount of faith in the commitee doing us right, and slotting us somewhere 5-7. We could use some helo in the rest of teh conference tournaments, but after what I witnessed today, you could never convince mewe don't belong within a line or two of Villanova. same goes for Syracuse.

Look at the 5-10 seed projected teams and is there any way to conclude we are not in the upper half of that group?

mustever · « **Reply #30 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:18:51 PM »

6.....possibly a 7.....I don't see an 8.....

MU B2002 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:20:33 PM »

Quote from: TheGym on March 12, 2009, 06:12:39 PM

When we get screwed and get an 8 seed, how pissed is everyone going to be?

Not at all if Memphis is the #1 seed in that region.

nyg · « **Reply #32 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:21:56 PM »

6, with some help. Like Pitt beating WVA. WVA up 7 with 14 minutes to go.

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #33 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:53:23 PM »

Looks like we can add WVU to the list!

marquette09 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:59:54 PM »

Quote from: MU_B2002 on March 12, 2009, 07:20:33 PM

Not at all if Memphis is the #1 seed in that region.

Memphis ain't getting a 1. Let's hope that if we get the 7, though, Memphis is the 2 in our region.

MU B2002 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 12, 2009, 08:22:43 PM »

I think Memphis could fall into a number one if things like, Pitt and Oklahoma losing, keep happening. They will likely roll to a conference championship.

Edit - By no means was I endorsing Memphis as a contender to win it all.

79Warrior · « **Reply #36 on:** March 12, 2009, 08:41:18 PM »

doesn't much matter. This team is done.

SERocks · « **Reply #37 on:** March 12, 2009, 08:47:53 PM »

As long as we are seeded higher than Wisconsin, if they make it, all is good!

MonsterWebWarrior · « **Reply #38 on:** March 12, 2009, 08:54:37 PM »

The seeding of the Big East teams in front of us could also affect our seed since we can't match up with another Big East team before the Elite 8. We'll have to be staggered differently from the teams in front of us.

For example, if 3 Big East teams are seeded #1, we are more likely to be a 6 or 7. The only region we could be an 8 is with the non-Big East team. We can only be a 2, 3, 6, or 7 in the same region as a 1. Nova is probably a 2 or 3. If Syracuse or WVU are a 4 or 5, they can only be in the same region as the non-Big East #1, eliminating us from any chance of an 8.

If there are 2 Big East teams seeded #1, it opens the possibility of an 8 a little more.

It was this type of scenario that helped to push us down to a #8 against Mich St. Every Big East team in front of us was a 2, 3, or 6, which helped push us down a seed to #8 so we couldn't match up with another Big East team. It didn't get mentioned much, but if you looked at the brackets, you could see that we couldn't have been a 7 at all because there was no region possible where we could have been a 7.

SERocks · « **Reply #39 on:** March 12, 2009, 09:02:34 PM »

Given our play I would really prefer to be a 6 or a 7. I think we win the first round, no question. This team can still play. And the last several games has given them a chance to gel with the new players, and they are gelling. They have a few more days of practice, and then a first round game they should win. I think with that, it is enough that as a 6 or 7 we can beat a 3 or 2 seed. Anyone seeded 2 or 3 is basically all we have been playing the last few weeks. We are *this close* to beating them and now that we have had time together, I think they can pull it off and make the sweet 16. After that, well we shall see. I don't think, absent some luck, that we beat a 1 seed, so an 8 would be tragic.

Doris Burkes Thong · « **Reply #40 on:** March 12, 2009, 09:05:55 PM »

Quote from: 79Warrior on March 12, 2009, 08:41:18 PM

doesn't much matter. This team is done.

You're the biggest Negative Nancy on this board. You ever got a good thing to say?

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 12, 2009, 09:12:04 PM »

HOPE for the 7 in Minnesota

PREPARE for the 8 in Greensboro

Brewtown Andy · « **Reply #42 on:** March 12, 2009, 09:34:50 PM »

9.

The only thing keeping MU in the tournament is that the committee won't want to set the dangerous precedent of keeping out a 12 conference win team.

MUhoops12 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 12, 2009, 09:44:29 PM »

6. It all depends on whether the committee takes into account that we hung in with 3 potential number one seeds. Although I can see the selection committee slamming us for our record without DJ.

CTWarrior · « **Reply #44 on:** March 12, 2009, 09:48:16 PM »

Don't forget we've got to worry about those seeded ahead of us in our conference. I would not be surprised to see us be the 7th Big East team since WVU beat Pitt today. I know we beat them but all we've shown the committee is that we can lose to a good team in a close game without James.

Figure Louisville, UConn and Pitt will gobble 2 1s and a 2. Nova a 4, Cuse a 5 or 6 and WVU a 7. I think we're in the 8-9 game in whatever region the best Big East team is a 2.

IAmMarquette · « **Reply #45 on:** March 13, 2009, 09:15:56 AM »

Quote from: Marquette_g on March 12, 2009, 04:45:40 PM

I think we are a 7 with an outside chance at 6. A win today maybe secures the 6, but most likely it would have had minimal impact.

Agreed.

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #46 on:** March 13, 2009, 09:26:43 AM »

Quote from: CTWarrior on March 12, 2009, 09:48:16 PM

Figure Louisville, UConn and Pitt will gobble 2 1s and a 2. Nova a 4, Cuse a 5 or 6 and WVU a 7. I think we're in the 8-9 game in whatever region the best Big East team is a 2.

I would say this has changed significantly in the last 24 hours. 'Nova and 'Cuse would both seem to be solid 3/4 seeds. I don't see WVU any lower than a 5/6 at this point.

One thing's for sure, we are all gonna find out what the committee thinks of this year's Big East. Probably fewer teams than would have been expected will get in, but I think they will likely be rewarded with very nice seeds.

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 13, 2009, 09:30:31 AM »

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 13, 2009, 09:26:43 AM

I would say this has changed significantly in the last 24 hours. 'Nova and 'Cuse would both seem to be solid 3/4 seeds. I don't see WVU any lower than a 5/6 at this point.

One thing's for sure, we are all gonna find out what the committee thinks of this year's Big East. Probably fewer teams than would have been expected will get in, but I think they will likely be rewarded with very nice seeds.

Fewer teams will get in, because Georgetown and Notre Dame didn't hold up their end of the donkey. This should've been a 9 bid league...thanks GT and ND.....

RaleighWarrior · « **Reply #48 on:** March 13, 2009, 09:37:06 AM »

We'll be the lowest seeded Big East team. 8 or 9 I would guess.

The scary thing to think about - as each year passes the Committee keeps falling down the slippery slope of putting more emphasis on how a team is playing at the moment and not rewarding season long performance - the only thing keeping us out of the NIT could be the Providence loss to Louisville.

I actually wish we would go back to a 24 or 32 team field, only have regular season conference champions qualify and not have to hear 8th and 9th place teams cry about getting snubbed.

muwarrior87 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 13, 2009, 09:42:01 AM »

Quote from: marquette09 on March 12, 2009, 07:59:54 PM

Memphis ain't getting a 1. Let's hope that if we get the 7, though, Memphis is the 2 in our region.

the sad thing is, I could see the committee knocking the BE teams that lost yesterday to a 2 and losing their minds putting MSU or Memphis as a 1. I'll take an 8 if it means we'd play either of them in the second round. Or a 7 if they end up as 2 seeds

Big Daddy Z · « **Reply #50 on:** March 13, 2009, 10:34:57 AM »

KCWarrior · « **Reply #51 on:** March 13, 2009, 10:40:32 AM »

Some of you are a little off your rocker. "The only thing keeping MU out of the NIT is Providence's loss to Louisville?" Sure, we lost several games recently - to the #2, 3, 5, 10 and 18th ranked teams in the country. And we hung tough with each. It's not like we lost to Texas Tech and Baylor folks.

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #52 on:** March 13, 2009, 10:46:16 AM »

Sir Lawrence · « **Reply #53 on:** March 13, 2009, 10:59:42 AM »

Put me down for a 6 seed as well.

Henry Sugar · « **Reply #54 on:** March 13, 2009, 11:01:44 AM »

I'm hopeful for a seven seed.

mucrew08 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 13, 2009, 11:02:08 AM »

Quote from: gforce on March 13, 2009, 09:37:06 AM

the only thing keeping us out of the NIT could be the Providence loss to Louisville.

Can you explain this one to me:

Marquette: Providence
Conference Record 12-6 Conference Record 10-8
Overall Record 24-9 Overall Record 19-13
RPI 30 RPI 71
SOS 49 SOS 55
Bad Losses USF Bad Losses None
Quality Wins Northern Iowa, Quality Wins: Rhode Island, @ Cincy,
Wisconsin, Nova, Cincy, W. Virgina, @Seton Hall, Syracuse, Pitt
@ Providence, @ Notre Dame, @G-Town,
G-Town, Seton Hall

These all came from RealTimeRPI.com. I'm not saying I agree with the quality wins, but I don't see how Providence's loss to Louisville helped us get in the tourney?

I'm assuming you're saying that if Providence won, the would be in over us? Am I wrong gforce?

RaleighWarrior · « **Reply #56 on:** March 13, 2009, 11:12:08 AM »

Quote from: mucrew08 on March 13, 2009, 11:02:08 AM

Can you explain this one to me:

Marquette: Providence
Conference Record 12-6 Conference Record 10-8
Overall Record 24-9 Overall Record 19-13
RPI 30 RPI 71
SOS 49 SOS 55
Bad Losses USF Bad Losses None
Quality Wins Northern Iowa, Quality Wins: Rhode Island, @ Cincy,
Wisconsin, Nova, Cincy, W. Virgina, @Seton Hall, Syracuse, Pitt
@ Providence, @ Notre Dame, @G-Town,
G-Town, Seton Hall

These all came from RealTimeRPI.com. I'm not saying I agree with the quality wins, but I don't see how Providence's loss to Louisville helped us get in the tourney?

I'm assuming you're saying that if Providence won, the would be in over us? Am I wrong gforce?

No, I'm sorry I wasn't clear in what I meant. I meant that every year it seems the Committee is getting more and more carried away with putting emphasis on how a team is playing at the moment and de-emphasizing what was accomplished over the course of the year. I was stating that if they keep going down that slippery slope there could be a situation down the road where a team could lose out a spot to a lesser qualified team because of a late season fall, to the point of absurdity, i.e. Providence over Marquette.

mucrew08 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 13, 2009, 11:23:51 AM »

Ok, that makes more sense. I can see where you are coming from, but don't see huge of jump happening anytime soon.

dwaderoy2004 · « **Reply #58 on:** March 13, 2009, 11:58:16 AM »

expecting a 7, hoping for a 6, prepared for an 8/9

IAmMarquette · « **Reply #59 on:** March 13, 2009, 01:47:12 PM »

Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 13, 2009, 11:58:16 AM

expecting a 7, hoping for a 6, prepared for an 8/9

Exactly. However, while 8 would be disappointing, 9 would be insulting.

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #60 on:** March 13, 2009, 02:23:35 PM »

Here's how I see the top 32 seeds (as of this moment and obviously subject to change)...

1.   UNC
2.   Pitt
3.   UL
4.   UConn
5.   MSU
6.   Memphis
7.   Duke
8.   Oklahoma
9.   Villanova
10.   Wake Forest
11.   Washington
12.   Kansas
13.   Missouri
14.   Syracuse
15.   Xavier
16.   UCLA
17.   WVU
18.   FSU
19.   Gonzaga
20.   ASU
21.   Utah
22.   Marquette
23.   Purdue
24.   Clemson
25.   Texas
26.   Illinois
27.   Oklahoma State
28.   Butler
29.   LSU
30.   Tennessee
31.   Wisconsin
32.   Dayton

Anyone?

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #61 on:** March 13, 2009, 02:50:21 PM »

not giving any real numbers or reasons.

I'd move LSU up a bit, Zag down a little, put UL #1, drop Texas a bit

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