Oso planning to go pro
This going to kill you but I always just lump Wicker Park / Ukranian Village / Logan Square in with Lakeview, etc. I realize they are different. I guess what I mean is they are distinct neighborhood yes, but not suburbs or city with suburb feel.
I don't think you have to live in the city to know that you want to live there or not. I never lived in Chicago but I know I would never live there, but I will play along. In order of preferenceMilwaukeeHoustonLa CrosseMadison
Pittsburgh is what I ultimately hope MKE becomes. MKE was behind the renaissance curve that similar cities experienced and I think it might be a good thing in the long run. When it comes to trends, first one in or last one in usually benefit the most. I have high hopes for MKE learning from the success cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland and others and building off of the successes. Probably the most bullish I have been on Mil-town in my life.
They are very much the same place, just at a different time. Good call.You married a QAS girl?
Howso? I’d be hard pressed to believe Lakeview and Lincoln Park were ever not overrun with B1G and ND alumni and clubs constantly. Wicker and Logan drew/draw a more artsy crowd.
They were not always that way. Wicker park doesn't really draw that artsy a crowd any more, at least not in my experience. It's a miracle Rainbo is still there. I mean Real World did a show there, making it as Lincoln Park-y as anything. Lakeview was a dump not all that long ago - 30 years. There were a lot of corner bars and it was very working class. Now most single family homes are former tear downs going for 1 mil+.Logan has become the Wicker Park of 20 years ago. Humboldt Park will follow.Lincoln Park - has always had the sport bars, for as long as I can remember. I think that's due to DePaul (clearly the DePaul fan isn't taking up those sports bars). However they did have their day in the artsy community (at least a drop in the pool) with Wax Trax and Lounge Ax. Lincoln north of Fullerton was great. South, khakis and college shirts.Curious if there are real old-timers that have any thoughts on where the young ones lived and hung out in the 70s/80s? My knowledge really only goes so far. More info here: http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/715.html
You are the worst.
But how often does one visit? Half my dad’s family is from east Troy and Waukesha, that half never steps foot in Chicago which is a consensus I had heard from multiple sconi’s during my tenure at MU. Re Milwaukee. that’s why I said someone can add other cities to the list. Milwaukee’s my third favorite city after Chicago and Boston, it’s for sure an actual hidden gem and travel, food, and beer blogs generally agree with that sentiment.
east troy?? i probably know your dad's family then. i grew up there, my parents, a brother and sister still live there. it's a small world after all
Well, everybody is cherry-picking, you included.You cite Chicago's horrible crime, but ignore that it's pretty middle-of-the-road as far as major cities go, and you know well that the crime is highly concentrated, both in terms of location and the population affected. It is terrible for those communities and more needs to be done about it (and why more isn't done is a whole other debate we probably want to avoid, right?).You cite taxes, but ignore that in terms of cost of living Chicago is not terribly high for a major American city. You talk about how bad the schools are (based on what?) but ignore that many of the state's top public schools are in the city, and CPS across the board has made remarkable progress over the last decade on test scores, graduation rates, students who go on to receive college degrees and a host of benchmarks.I take no issue with someone preferring Madison or the Twin Cities or Boise, Idaho or their cozy little upper-class suburb to Chicago. Everybody is free to have their own likes and dislikes, and realistically that's going to change depending on your stage in life (i.e. the mid 20s me and the mid 40s me have very different priorities when it comes to choosing where to live).But I do take issue with those who wish to paint Chicago as some crime-infested and corrupt ghetto, because that's far from the truth.
So, it sounds like Gurnosha is the place where it’s at. Dead center in the “Beer ‘n Brat Triangle”.
There was an article on my Facebook feed entitled "Each state perfectly summed up in one photo".This was Illinois:
Chicago is the worst of the lot by far.But just to talk about crime for a second here, yes there are certain areas of the city you wouldn't want to get stuck in like an Austin or an Englewood (and lets be honest, every major city has those areas) but a lot of it is greatly exaggerated.I was on the wayyyyy south side just last night, 111th street in Morgan Park, which people would generally consider unsafe. But I never had a problem, and my safety never even crossed my mind once while I was down there.Plus southside neighborhoods like Pullman, and Bronzeville are some of the coolest areas in the city. Take that for what you will.
Curious what the basis is for your opinion of Lakeview & Lincoln Park? If you're going based on the bar scene, then yes, you'd be right. I'd feel the same way if I got caught in Tbox today, but my experience is a bit different. I've spent 7+ years in Lakeview and my block alone is a little melting pot - different ethnic backgrounds, ages, races, orientations, and wide income spectrum. I love it. Keep things interesting. We've got nicknames for all the local characters. I also love the proximity to the lakefront, where I spend a good chunk of time. Great access to downtown or anywhere north too. Going west or driving anywhere is a huge pain in *ss. Love the character of the neighborhoods you mentioned too. Lakeview is a just a better fit for my lifestyle at this point. Regardless, it's nice to not think twice and just walk for the majority of the day-to-day stuff (groceries, dry cleaning, pharmacy, local restaurants & bars, Cubs games, etc..) and see people from all different walks of life. Grew up a bit west of there. Loved the South Side bubble, but glad I got out. Know too many people with their name on the local bar stool.
In what way?