Midwest Cities

[JakeBarnes]

Harborside isn't far from downtown - public, two solid 18 hole courses.

I do love Harborside. I tend to go to Lost Marsh as well. To be honest, cycling has eaten a lot into golf time this year.

Need to remedy that with a Robert Trent Jones trail trip down south to get the season off on the right foot.

[Litehouse]

What do you mean by this?

I'm not NCMUFan, but I assume he means the "subsidy city" aspect of Madison.  Their local economy is supported by all the money and jobs the university and state government bring to the city.  It's supported and subsidized by the rest of the state.

[Sheriff]

In my opinion...You're dead wrong on this.  Citing the Stanford research study is great...while you question if someone knows why Claypool resigned...but do you understand the methodology used in the study you reference?  Have you read the peer reviews?  The study may be reliable, but it has validity issues that many with similar "Stanford" level research skills have questioned.  Nothing against CPS...they have an impossible battle on their hands.

The Standford study methodology certainly has limitations, including the following which it states:

"If most of the students who left the system were students with low test scores, average scores would improve simply because many of the lowest achieving students are no longer enrolled in the system. Or if low-achieving students were often held back a grade, they would effectively have two years in which to learn the same material (and more than five years between third and eighth grade), which could artificially inflate growth rates between third and eighth grades."

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I'm not NCMUFan, but I assume he means the "subsidy city" aspect of Madison.  Their local economy is supported by all the money and jobs the university and state government bring to the city.  It's supported and subsidized by the rest of the state.

Well, Dane Co contributes more tax dollars and revenue to the state budget than it receives.  So it helps subsidize the state, too.

There's also Epic Software and American Family insurance as big employers.  A lot of smaller research companies here, too. Some other businesses have left, like Oscar Mayer, but there's a whole lot more than just the University and Government.

[Chili]

I do love Harborside. I tend to go to Lost Marshball as well. To be honest, cycling has eaten a lot into golf time this year.

Need to remedy that with a Robert Trent Jones trail trip down south to get the season off on the right foot.

Fixed that for you. After the round you're only 5 minutes from 18th Street Brewery too. Would recommend Ravisloe as well in Flossmoor.

As for Chicago traffic sure it's going to be bad if you try and drive from the burbs to the loop. That's why there are trains. My commute from Avondale to West Town / Fulton Market is about 20 minutes driving or 20 biking.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Can we plz move this retarded string to the superbar???!!!

[avid1010]

Can we plz move this retarded string to the superbar???!!!

hate that word with a passion.  not surprised you use it.

[Litehouse]

Well, Dane Co contributes more tax dollars and revenue to the state budget than it receives.  So it helps subsidize the state, too.

I'm curious what that number includes.  Does it include salaries for state and university employees? 

I found this info from 2014
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/analysis-wisconsin-state-employees-earned-more-than-b-in/article_ca2487a0-d5aa-52a3-b58a-54b0de73a399.html
"About one out of every three people paid by the DOA in 2013 worked in Dane County. Those 13,518 employees received a total of $671.3 million, up from $643.7 million in 2012, when there were 13,189 paid."

I also found this study from 2015 on the economic impact of UW-Madison that has a lot of interesting info.
http://www.aurp.net/assets/documents/2015/uwm_2015_northstar_study.pdf

[MU82]

hate that word with a passion.  not surprised you use it.

Yep.

[MUDPT]

I'm curious what that number includes.  Does it include salaries for state and university employees? 

I found this info from 2014
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/analysis-wisconsin-state-employees-earned-more-than-b-in/article_ca2487a0-d5aa-52a3-b58a-54b0de73a399.html
"About one out of every three people paid by the DOA in 2013 worked in Dane County. Those 13,518 employees received a total of $671.3 million, up from $643.7 million in 2012, when there were 13,189 paid."

I also found this study from 2015 on the economic impact of UW-Madison that has a lot of interesting info.
http://www.aurp.net/assets/documents/2015/uwm_2015_northstar_study.pdf

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/city-plan-dane-county-responsible-for-over-half-of-wisconsin/article_25e33d5a-87b1-5022-a25a-065c6ba43f46.html

A report from the city, so not sure how much bias there is...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Can we plz move this retarded string to the superbar???!!!

How old are you?

[warriorchick]

How old are you?

Clue #1:  His name is Mr. Sand Knit.

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

No love for Gary?

[The Lens]

Nat Geo Travel names Madison one of the country's best small cities...

https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/

[MU82]

Nat Geo Travel names Madison one of the country's best small cities...

https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/

Well, it certainly was one of the best small cities the MU hoops team visited this season.

I think Markus, AR and Sam just scored again!

[Tugg Speedman]

Nat Geo Travel names Madison one of the country's best small cities...

https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/

I remember Duane Wilson tweeting out that "urban kids" do not feel welcome in Madison.

[warriorchick]

I remember Duane Wilson tweeting out that "urban kids" do not feel welcome in Madison.

That would only help Madison's stats in these rankings.  Wish I could put that in teal.

[Galway Eagle]

Nat Geo Travel names Madison one of the country's best small cities...

https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/

It's pretty much impossible to objectively judge. Not everybody wants the same things in a city.

It's like those lists that put naperville as one of the best towns in America, I would go crazy that far from the city with that many people who all are from the same background, think the same, look the same. On the other hand others love it for safety, schools, vast plots of land, seeing people who look and think exactly like them, etc.