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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: hairy worthen on December 07, 2017, 01:48:37 PM
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I highly doubt Wisconsin snags a good coach if they get rid of Gard. They aren’t a basketball school, they’re in a small unattractive city, they play an unattractive brand of basketball and have a known dbag as an AD.
I hope you are right, but Madison is an attractive college town and they have a great campus. A new coach would determine what kind of style they play and they play in a major power conference. Barry won't be there forever and there are enough people that respect him. They would get a good high level coach.
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Madison is probably the best city in the Midwest. Chicago included. And I love Chicago. Love him or hate him, Barry Red Pants is one of the most respected figures in college athletics. A very good guy to have on your side. UW is a public ivy and a classic American college that draws from all over (What's up Coasties!).
Please do not let the guy who dropped out of UW-Oshkosh but is draped in red and hates MU cloud your judgement.
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Madison is probably the best city in the Midwest. Chicago included. And I love Chicago.
:o
WOAH!
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Madison is probably the best city in the Midwest. Chicago included. And I love Chicago. Love him or hate him, Barry Red Pants is one of the most respected figures in college athletics. A very good guy to have on your side. UW is a public ivy and a classic American college that draws from all over (What's up Coasties!).
Please do not let the guy who dropped out of UW-Oshkosh but is draped in red and hates MU cloud your judgement.
I can’t tell if you’re trolling, forgot the teal or just a guy from a north shore suburb or far western suburb who claimed he did Chicago because he went to lolla and navy peir one weekend every summer but if it is serious then you didn’t do chicago right and spent too much time in Lakeview/LP
It’s not a public ivy it’s a “worthy runner up” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
Maybe somewhat to the second.
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Madison is probably the best city in the Midwest. Chicago included. And I love Chicago. Love him or hate him, Barry Red Pants is one of the most respected figures in college athletics. A very good guy to have on your side. UW is a public ivy and a classic American college that draws from all over (What's up Coasties!).
Please do not let the guy who dropped out of UW-Oshkosh but is draped in red and hates MU cloud your judgement.
I personally can't stand Chicago....but even I find this to be a ridiculous post. Give me Milwaukee, Grand Rapids, or even the Twin Cities before Madison or Chicago.
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I'm from Bay View. My wife is from Sauganash. We live in WFB. I've never been to Lolla or Navy Pier, do you like them? Doesn't seem like my thing. But I do like Chicago. And yes I've spent a lot of time in Lake View / LP. I'm only 42, where would you expect me to spend my 20s / 30s? Beverly?
Jefferson Park (shout out Gale Street Inn)?
Sorry about the Public Ivy, i forgot they didn't make the first 8 but were listed with 9 other schools as "Worthy runners-up".
My bad.
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I personally can't stand Chicago....but even I find this to be a ridiculous post. Give me Milwaukee, Grand Rapids, or even the Twin Cities before Madison or Chicago.
Never been to GR but I hear great things. I find the Twin Cities to be the very peak of suburbia. Olive Garden here we come.
Chicago isn't just one of the great American cities, it's one of the great world cities. But if I'm a coach, raising a family but still enjoy great restaurants and some culture, Madison is it.
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I personally can't stand Chicago....but even I find this to be a ridiculous post. Give me Milwaukee, Grand Rapids, or even the Twin Cities before Madison or Chicago.
yup, agree on all counts. Except nothing compares to Bryan/College Station
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I'm from Bay View. My wife is from Sauganash. We live in WFB. I've never been to Lolla or Navy Pier, do you like them? Doesn't seem like my thing. But I do like Chicago. And yes I've spent a lot of time in Lake View / LP. I'm only 42, where would you expect me to spend my 20s / 30s? Beverly?
Jefferson Park (shout out Gale Street Inn)?
Sorry about the Public Ivy, i forgot they didn't make the first 8 but were listed with 9 other schools as "Worthy runners-up".
My bad.
Wicker park, Logan square, Pilsen, and east humboldt Park All have extremely unique spots entirely different cultures from Lakeview/LP and very similar to Bay view. Edgewater is making an intriguing revamp of its neighborhood as well. West loop has revamped a lot of old buildings in a similar way the third ward has.
I’d inly suggest Jefferson Park or Beverly if you were into Irish pubs and talking to Firefighters and cops non stop.
Sarcastic apology accepted.
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Never been to GR but I hear great things. I find the Twin Cities to be the very peak of suburbia. Olive Garden here we come.
Chicago isn't just one of the great American cities, it's one of the great world cities. But if I'm a coach, raising a family but still enjoy great restaurants and some culture, Madison is it.
How so?
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Madison is probably the best city in the Midwest. Chicago included. And I love Chicago. Love him or hate him, Barry Red Pants is one of the most respected figures in college athletics. A very good guy to have on your side. UW is a public ivy and a classic American college that draws from all over (What's up Coasties!).
Please do not let the guy who dropped out of UW-Oshkosh but is draped in red and hates MU cloud your judgement.
This has to be in the running for worst post of the year, and there have been some absolutely terrible posts this year.
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Wicker park, Logan square, Pilsen, and east humboldt Park All have extremely unique spots entirely different cultures from Lakeview/LP and very similar to Bay view. Edgewater is making an intriguing revamp of its neighborhood as well. West loop has revamped a lot of old buildings in a similar way the third ward has.
I’d inly suggest Jefferson Park or Beverly if you were into Irish pubs and talking to Firefighters and cops non stop.
Sarcastic apology accepted.
This going to kill you but I always just lump Wicker Park / Ukranian Village / Logan Square in with Lakeview, etc. I realize they are different. I guess what I mean is they are distinct neighborhood yes, but not suburbs or city with suburb feel.
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I get the appeal of Madison as a city and every time there, I tell myself I could see living here. Once back to western burbs of MKE, the appeal of Madison goes away. Big fan of Minneapolis and spend time there for work and enjoy it. Bigger fan of Chicago, but small doses. All in all, really like the improvements MKE is making. I work in great location downtown and am enjoying watching the changes up close.
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Wicker park, Logan square, Pilsen, and east humboldt Park All have extremely unique spots entirely different cultures from Lakeview/LP and very similar to Bay view. Edgewater is making an intriguing revamp of its neighborhood as well. West loop has revamped a lot of old buildings in a similar way the third ward has.
I’d inly suggest Jefferson Park or Beverly if you were into Irish pubs and talking to Firefighters and cops non stop.
Sarcastic apology accepted.
You forgot the crime, the corruption, the taxes, and the horrible school system. But otherwise, cool place.
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You forgot the crime, the corruption, the taxes, and the horrible school system. But otherwise, cool place.
You are the worst.
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You are the worst.
In what way?
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You forgot the crime, the corruption, the taxes, and the horrible school system. But otherwise, cool place.
Good thing nothing like this exists in any other major city in the world.
But let's talk about some of these things.
For example, the violent crime rate in Chicago ranks 28th among major cities, well below the likes of Houston, Nashville, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Washington, Atlanta, Cleveland and, yes dear friends, way below that of Milwaukee.
The schools? Seven of the 10 top-rated high schools in Illinois are in Chicago, and that's not accounting for the many excellent private schools in the city.
And then there's this:
Chicago Public Schools students have made the fastest academic progress of the 100 largest school districts in the country, with all racial groups making similar improvements.
That’s according to a new analysis by Stanford University researcher Sean F. Reardon, who told a gathering of Chicago’s educational brain trust Thursday that test scores for the average Chicago student went up by about six grades in the five years between third and eighth grade.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/cps-student-scores-show-equivalent-of-6-years-of-learning-in-5-years/
Corruption? Plenty of it. Hardly unique to Chicago.
But yeah, the taxes are high. Even so, it's far less expensive to live in Chicago than New York, Boston, Seattle, Washington, Los Angeles San Francsisco, Miami, Philly, etc.
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Good thing nothing like this exists in any other major city in the world.
But let's talk about some of these things.
For example, the violent crime rate in Chicago ranks 28th among major cities, well below the likes of Houston, Nashville, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Washington, Atlanta, Cleveland and, yes dear friends, way below that of Milwaukee.
The schools? Seven of the 10 top-rated high schools in Illinois are in Chicago, and that's not accounting for the many excellent private schools in the city.
And then there's this:
Chicago Public Schools students have made the fastest academic progress of the 100 largest school districts in the country, with all racial groups making similar improvements.
That’s according to a new analysis by Stanford University researcher Sean F. Reardon, who told a gathering of Chicago’s educational brain trust Thursday that test scores for the average Chicago student went up by about six grades in the five years between third and eighth grade.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/cps-student-scores-show-equivalent-of-6-years-of-learning-in-5-years/
Corruption? Plenty of it. Hardly unique to Chicago.
But yeah, the taxes are high. Even so, it's far less expensive to live in Chicago than New York, Boston, Seattle, Washington, Los Angeles San Francsisco, Miami, Philly, etc.
What about compared to Madison?
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I was not trying to be silly. I posted that Wojo has trouble recruiting point guards, which I found surprising since he was a all-American point guard. I know Howard can play the point guard position if needed, but he is a not a true point guard. The poster also pointed out that Wojo recruited Traci Carter. Carter was a true point guard, but Wojo decided to start Hani over him at point, so how good was Carter who could not beat out a fellow freshmen that was more suited for small forward than he was at point? I have been attending MU games since 1962 and have seen many great point guards. Howard is the best pure shooting guard we have ever had. I am really impressed by his ability this year to drive and make the 2 point shot, which is a significant improvement over last year. He is not a point guard by nature and he is out of position when he plays there. Just like Sam is out of position when he plays the four or subs in at center.
I think this is all fair. Markus can play the point because he's just a good basketball player / athlete. He's not nearly as good at PG as he is at SG because ballhandling is a weakness for him. Granted, a weakness for a player of his caliber may still make him average compared to others, but in any case, he doesn't seem as comfortable with the ball as most "true" PGs. Same with Sam. He's a good basketball player with good fundamentals. So he has some post game that works well, probably because he was bigger than most high school players, which allowed him opportunities to work on that aspect of his game. But again, it's not his strongest suit on the floor.
I would assume that most Big East teams, maybe even most high level D1 teams, would expect to have a PG that is a better ballhandler (maybe passer?) than Markus and a better post player than Sam. That doesn't make them bad at either skillset, but it's not really their natural fit.
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What about compared to Madison?
He said major city
You forgot the crime, the corruption, the taxes, and the horrible school system. But otherwise, cool place.
Compared to what? The suburb you live in? Another midwest city? Madison? Or are you still convinced it the same chicago from the mid 90s
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What about compared to Madison?
What about compared to Mayberry?
It's about as useful a comparison.
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Madison is probably the best city in the Midwest. Chicago included. And I love Chicago.
I guess to each their own, but the city is the reason I didn't even apply to Madison though I could've easily transferred in the UW system. State Street is one rolling ball of trendy D-bags swinging from hippie to punk to hip-hop culture depending on what band is popular, I was never impressed by the food, and the roads are a crap show of one way wheel spokes that make downtown Waukesha look organized.
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All right, I'll play.
I attended MU (obviously) and then got my first job in Milwaukee, so I spent 4.5 years there.
I then got transferred to Madison, where my new wife and I spent the first 2 years of our marriage.
I then got transferred to Minneapolis, where we spent the next 9.5 years. We lived in the Northwest suburb of New Hope for a few years and then moved to Apple Valley south of the city.
And I then got transferred to Chicago, where we lived for 16 years before moving to NC in 2010. We lived near Lane Tech for our first 10 years, moved near the Belmont/Lincoln intersection for 2.5 years and then finished our time there in a 17th-floor apartment in the heart of Lakeview at Sheridan and Wellington. Our kids attended public schools, including the magnet high school Walter Payton Prep, annually one of the top-rated schools in the entire country.
So while I don't know anything about Grand Rapids, but I can discuss the other cities in mentioned recently in this thread.
Chicago is one of the greatest cities in the world - obviously. It has its problems: crime, politics, weather, traffic, high cost of living, etc, but it is very livable as long as one chooses the neighborhood wisely and takes the kind of reasonable precautions any person living in any major city should take. It has amazing nightlife, restaurants, great sports (pro, college, prep), arts. It is walkable - we only had one car most of the years we lived there. It is beautiful in many ways, with a breath-taking skyline, the lake, numerous parks. I loved living in Chicago and I would live there again; my wife hates the weather so it probably won't happen, though. I did hate the traffic, which gave me something in common with a couple million others. We also had two grills and two bikes stolen right out of our yard, and we lived in a "safe" neighborhood. I hated that, obviously. My son, who was mugged years ago, still lives in Chicago, still loves Chicago and probably will never leave it.
Minneapolis grew up a lot during our time there. We lived in the burbs but if I had it to do over again, I would have lived in the city, probably on the south side. Gorgeous and green with lots of stuff to do. The area was a great place to raise a family, and I'm guessing it still is. Great schools. Nice people. Except for good weather, it really lacks for nothing. Absolutely hated the cold - we had to move to Chicago to warm up!
Madison was fun. We hadn't had children yet and we did a pretty good job of taking advantage of the fun. The university and the state capitol help make it "big time" for a relatively small city. I liked it a lot, but I don't know how anybody could compare it to Chicago in any way. They are different places. People from all over the world aspire to go to Chicago. Sinatra did not sing any songs about Madison!
I was insulated in Milwaukee. I was too young and naive to know how bad its problems were. Despite the odor from the tanneries when the wind blew the wrong way, my memories are mostly good. Still, of the cities mentioned, it's probably the one I'd least like to live in now. It has many of the problems Chicago has without being Chicago. Even worse, many there have Chicago envy. I do like its Catholic university, though! And the frozen custard!!
Those are just my personal feelings based upon my experiences at the time and what I know about the cities now. Others, I'm sure, have had some different experiences.
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I personally can't stand Chicago....but even I find this to be a ridiculous post. Give me Milwaukee, Grand Rapids, or even the Twin Cities before Madison or Chicago.
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If you live in a place long enough, you’ll find something to love about it. I can confirm this, since I live in Racine, which most of y’all probably think is a dump. It’s got rough patches and is the definition of rust belt, but it does have some upsides. A couple of big-ish companies are here (SC Johnson, Case, FoxConn?). Downtown and lakefront is developing and sorta quaint. If I hadn’t lived here, I wouldn’t know about the nice parts of it since I would just go off my outsider impressions (which were bad).
That said, because it is home to UW, Madison sucks.
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To visit...
1. Chicago
2. Milwaukee
3. Madison
To live in...
1. Milwaukee
2. Madison
3. Chicago (too expensive and the city and state are broke)
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If I ever return to a big city, I'd choose Minneapolis in a heartbeat. Not a burb, but in the city - somewhere in the area from Lowry Hill East to Tangletown. Definitely not suburbia there.
I grew up in Milwaukee and there is lots there, and I love visiting Chicago in short doses, but neither comes close to Minny if I was considering long-term.
For middle-sized cities, I love my current hometown of Rochester. It's currently just over 100,000 but with restaurants and shopping more like you'd find in a city 3-4 times its size...mainly because of a relatively wealthy demographic and the international visitors to the Mayo Clinic. And we are just on the start of a medical technology and research boom.
I like Madison a lot, but I'd take Rochester any day. Never been to Grand Rapids, but I've heard it's nice as well.
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Slightly off topic but I grew up in LA which is currently on fire and has had a 25% increase in homelessness over the past year, so go Midwest in general :)
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Food: Chicago has Michelin starred restaurants; Madison has none; advantage Chicago
Beer: Chicago has pipeworks, revolution, half acre, one of the lagunitas brweries, one of the two brothers breweries and three floyds. Madison has Ale Asylum and being driving distance from New glarus; advantage Chicago
Sports: Chicago has the Blackhawks, Bears, White Sox, Bulls, Cubs (boo), and Northwestern if you want to catch college ball. Madison has the Badgers. Advantage Chicago.
Aesthetic: Chicago is one of the most architecturally beautiful cities in the United States with contributions from everyone from Frank Lloyd Wright, Burnham and has one of the most beautiful skylines in the world. Madison has no skyline. Advantage Chicago.
Feel free to add more categories or cities. these are just the ones that popped into my head on the way to work.
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Slightly off topic but I grew up in LA which is currently on fire and has had a 25% increase in homelessness over the past year, so go Midwest in general :)
I'd rather be homeless in LA than Milwaukee
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Food: Chicago has Michelin starred restaurants; Madison has none; advantage Chicago
Beer: Chicago has pipeworks, revolution, half acre, one of the lagunitas brweries, one of the two brothers breweries and three floyds. Madison has Ale Asylum and being driving distance from New glarus; advantage Chicago
Sports: Chicago has the Blackhawks, Bears, White Sox, Bulls, Cubs (boo), and Northwestern if you want to catch college ball. Madison has the Badgers. Advantage Chicago.
Aesthetic: Chicago is one of the most architecturally beautiful cities in the United States with contributions from everyone from Frank Lloyd Wright, Burnham and has one of the most beautiful skylines in the world. Madison has no skyline. Advantage Chicago.
Feel free to add more categories these are just the ones that popped into my head on the way to work.
You're just scratching the surface on Chicago beer.
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You're just scratching the surface on Chicago beer.
Well and Madison beer too.
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Grew up on east coast, Milwaukee during MU years notwithstanding a year in Rome, lived in Chicago for 5, abroad, and am now out west.
I can't even believe this is a topic for debate. Chicago is a first-rate city that I always recommend to people I meet when traveling around the world - for the food, the culture, the people, etc. Madison, Minneapolis, MKE, etc. are all fine places, each with their own unique qualities I guess, but they're provincial Midwestern cities and I wouldn't even recommend them to folks in the US unless they happened to be nearby. We're all biased toward our own experiences but by nearly every metric, Chicago is the only city in the Midwest that can hold its own culturally on the national and international level.
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Food: Chicago has Michelin starred restaurants; Madison has none; advantage Chicago
Beer: Chicago has pipeworks, revolution, half acre, one of the lagunitas brweries, one of the two brothers breweries and three floyds. Madison has Ale Asylum and being driving distance from New glarus; advantage Chicago
Sports: Chicago has the Blackhawks, Bears, White Sox, Bulls, Cubs (boo), and Northwestern if you want to catch college ball. Madison has the Badgers. Advantage Chicago.
Aesthetic: Chicago is one of the most architecturally beautiful cities in the United States with contributions from everyone from Frank Lloyd Wright, Burnham and has one of the most beautiful skylines in the world. Madison has no skyline. Advantage Chicago.
Feel free to add more categories or cities. these are just the ones that popped into my head on the way to work.
Those are all reasons why Chicago is the best place to visit, but that doesn’t mean it is the best place to live. For some yes, for others no. I guess it has to do with what you like and what your priorities are. I like to visit Chicago but it would be way down on my list for places to live. Milwaukee has its share of big city problems to be sure, but it also has many positives including the lake country suburbs where I live. BTW Milwaukee has it's share of outstanding breweries also micro and other.
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I'd rather be homeless in LA than Milwaukee
That is basically the choice I have
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Grew up on east coast, Milwaukee during MU years notwithstanding a year in Rome, lived in Chicago for 5, abroad, and am now out west.
I can't even believe this is a topic for debate. Chicago is a first-rate city that I always recommend to people I meet when traveling around the world - for the food, the culture, the people, etc. Madison, Minneapolis, MKE, etc. are all fine places, each with their own unique qualities I guess, but they're provincial Midwestern cities and I wouldn't even recommend them to folks in the US unless they happened to be nearby. We're all biased toward our own experiences but by nearly every metric, Chicago is the only city in the Midwest that can hold its own culturally on the national and international level.
Right. But I wouldn't want to live there.
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Those are all reasons why the Chicago is the best place to visit, but that doesn’t mean it is the best place to live. For some yes, for others no. I guess it has to do with what you like and what your priorities are. I like to visit Chicago but it would be way down on my list for places to live. Milwaukee has its share of big city problems to be sure, but for it also has many positives including the lake country suburbs where I live. BTW Milwaukee has it's share of outstanding breweries also micro and other.
But how often does one visit? Half my dad’s family is from east Troy and Waukesha, that half never steps foot in Chicago which is a consensus I had heard from multiple sconi’s during my tenure at MU.
Re Milwaukee. that’s why I said someone can add other cities to the list. Milwaukee’s my third favorite city after Chicago and Boston, it’s for sure an actual hidden gem and travel, food, and beer blogs generally agree with that sentiment.
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But how often does one visit? Half my dad’s family is from east Troy and Waukesha, that half never steps foot in Chicago which is a consensus I had heard from multiple sconi’s during my tenure at MU.
Re Milwaukee. that’s why I said someone can add other cities to the list. Milwaukee’s my third favorite city after Chicago and Boston, it’s for sure an actual hidden gem and travel, food, and beer blogs generally agree with that sentiment.
I would say I get to Chicago 4 to 6 tines a year. Another nice thing abut Milwaukee is if I ever want to experience what Chicago has to offer, I am only about a 1.5 hour drive away.
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I would say I get to Chicago 4 to 6 tines a year. Another nice thing abut Milwaukee is if I ever want to experience what Chicago has to offer, I am only about a 1.5 hour drive away.
More power to you then. Many of the Wisconsin folk I know are too full of Wisconsin pride or Chicago envy, and in a couple cases genuinely scared, to ever visit Chicago.
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The Chicago skyline is definitely appeasing and in my opinion the best in the United States. Having said that Milwaukee beats Chicago for me, and Madison isn't even in the conversation.
Given my profession I travel to a lot of places, and while I don't stay very long to get a great "feel" of the area, I think you can tell relatively quickly if said place is livable.
Chicago, crime is horrible wasn't it something like 20+ people shot during Labor Day weekend? Public schools are awful (granted so are milwaukees public schools) cost of living (I get it, much larger city) and taxes. Many colleagues of mine are moving north over the boarder to escape the taxes of Illinois.
Pathetic when you have government officials retiring at 50 collecting 100k/year pensions for being a police officer. Nothing against police officers, I appreciate their service, but that's ridiculous.
I personally know two state troopers who are husband and wife in Illinois who make $150,000/yr per person FOR RETIREMENT! f### out of here.
Many friends I have have flown into Milwaukee to visit me thinking "this place is going to be a sh*thole. After a few hours they quickly changed their tune. They loved the restaurants, downtown, lake country area (pine, okauchee, etc). Lake drive is beautiful, and the schools are superb I live in whitefish bay, but fox point, mequon, new Berlin, Waukesha county all have fantastic schools.
I think Milwaukee is a great city, and it's a stones throw away from Chicago if you want the big city life for a few days. Milwaukee will always be home for many reasons, but like everything it's all about personal preference
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https://realestate.usnews.com/places/rankings/best-places-to-live
just one in the endless amount of internet lists.....
but Madison comes in at #18, right behind the Twin Cities as "Best Place to Live".
opps, is that Chicago at #83? Narrowly beating out Cleveland, Providence and Scranton on the list.
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Food: Chicago has Michelin starred restaurants; Madison has none; advantage Chicago
Beer: Chicago has pipeworks, revolution, half acre, one of the lagunitas brweries, one of the two brothers breweries and three floyds. Madison has Ale Asylum and being driving distance from New glarus; advantage Chicago
Sports: Chicago has the Blackhawks, Bears, White Sox, Bulls, Cubs (boo), and Northwestern if you want to catch college ball. Madison has the Badgers. Advantage Chicago.
Aesthetic: Chicago is one of the most architecturally beautiful cities in the United States with contributions from everyone from Frank Lloyd Wright, Burnham and has one of the most beautiful skylines in the world. Madison has no skyline. Advantage Chicago.
Feel free to add more categories or cities. these are just the ones that popped into my head on the way to work.
I can drink chicago beer in Madison. I can watch Chicago sports on TV in Madison.
How much in terms of dollars is it worth to you to have these "advantages" close by? For the difference in the relative costs of living, you could drive to Chicago a few times a year, stay in one of the nicest hotels, eat at those Michelin-starred restaurants, and grab some great seats to the sporting events, and view the skyline.
Serious question, Boxer. Other than your time at Marquette, have you lived anywhere besides Chicago?
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As I am kinda of responsible for this, let me just add my rating of Madison as #1 in the Midwest was for a college basketball coach to live.
If you're ranking overall, it's a no-brainer that Chicago is #1. As I said earlier, Chicago is one of the World's Great Cities.
My point was to act like Madison is some cowtown like Starkville, MS is just incredibly misguided.
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I can drink chicago beer in Madison. I can watch Chicago sports on TV in Madison.
How much in terms of dollars is it worth to you to have these "advantages" close by? For the difference in the relative costs of living, you could drive to Chicago a few times a year, stay in one of the nicest hotels, eat at those Michelin-starred restaurants, and grab some great seats to the sporting events, and view the skyline.
Serious question, Boxer. Other than your time at Marquette, have you lived anywhere besides Chicago?
Swinford, co Mayo, Ireland for 3mo a year till I was 10. Moved out of the actual city to oak park when I was 15. 5 and a half years in Milwaukee for MU (stayed summers and breaks to work) and waiting for my grad school acceptance to move to Galway city next year. That’s a quick run down of my living history and immediate future.
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More power to you then. Many of the Wisconsin folk I know are too full of Wisconsin pride or Chicago envy, and in a couple cases genuinely scared, to ever visit Chicago.
They are idiots
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More power to you then. Many of the Wisconsin folk I know are too full of Wisconsin pride or Chicago envy, and in a couple cases genuinely scared, to ever visit Chicago.
The vast majority of Wisconsinites I know have been to Chicago many times. And like to visit. Let's not paint with too broad a brush.
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The vast majority of Wisconsinites I know have been to Chicago many times. And like to visit. Let's not paint with too broad a brush.
Isn’t that what everybody’s doing when they’re saying the schools in Chicago suck when they have 7 of the top 10 in the state? Or saying that there’s terrible crime when 75% of that is concentrated in two sections of the city? I mean really this whole conversation is painting with a broad brush based on everybody’s experience in each city.
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Just curious if people would post the list of cities where they have actually LIVED for at least a year, to get a perspective on how much of it is homerism, and how much is based on real-life comparison.
I'll start:
Milwaukee (born and raised)
Chicago
Madison
Nashville
Richmond
Rochester
And FWIW, in each case, I have lived in the city mentioned (not the 'burbs).
Of the cities I've lived, if I were ranking where I'd want to live for the rest of my life, I'd rank them:
1. Rochester
2. Madison
3. Milwaukee
4. Nashville
5. Chicago
6. Richmond
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Isn’t that what everybody’s doing when they’re saying the schools in Chicago suck when they have 7 of the top 10 in the state? Or saying that there’s terrible crime when 75% of that is concentrated in two sections of the city? I mean really this whole conversation is painting with a broad brush based on everybody’s experience in each city.
OK. So just because some people engage in hyperbole, that means you should?
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I can drink chicago beer in Madison. I can watch Chicago sports on TV in Madison.
How much in terms of dollars is it worth to you to have these "advantages" close by? For the difference in the relative costs of living, you could drive to Chicago a few times a year, stay in one of the nicest hotels, eat at those Michelin-starred restaurants, and grab some great seats to the sporting events, and view the skyline.
Serious question, Boxer. Other than your time at Marquette, have you lived anywhere besides Chicago?
Why travel to Italy to experience their cuisine when there's an Olive Garden in Pleasant Prairie?
It boils down to how you define quality of life. For some, it's world class culture. For others, it's a stress free commute or three-car garage. To each their own, but there's objectively no comparison between Chicago and Milwaukee or Madison, and that's not a knock on the latter two.
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Just curious if people would post the list of cities where they have actually LIVED for at least a year, to get a perspective on how much of it is homerism, and how much is based on real-life comparison.
I'll start:
Milwaukee (born and raised)
Chicago
Madison
Nashville
Richmond
Rochester
And FWIW, in each case, I have lived in the city mentioned (not the 'burbs).
Of the cities I've lived, if I were ranking where I'd want to live for the rest of my life, I'd rank them:
1. Rochester
2. Madison
3. Milwaukee
4. Nashville
5. Chicago
6. Richmond
I don't think you have to live in the city to know that you want to live there or not. I never lived in Chicago but I know I would never live there, but I will play along. In order of preference
Milwaukee
Houston
La Crosse
Madison
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Interesting nobody has popped up to talk about Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Detroit, Cleveland, St Louis or Kansas City
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So, it sounds like Gurnosha is the place where it’s at. Dead center in the “Beer ‘n Brat Triangle”.
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Interesting nobody has popped up to talk about Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Detroit, Cleveland, St Louis or Kansas City
Because those aren't even worthy of being discussed.
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I had a love/hate relationship with Chicago.
I loved being part of a vibrant city and having access to all it had to offer, but I grew to hate the politics, weather and especially traffic. My son still lives there, so we go back fairly often, and I make my wife drive. I HATE driving in that city!!!
We lived there for 16 years (as I said in an earlier post) but it was time for a change. Having lived in Charlotte for 7 years now, I'd happily go back to Chicago. My preference would be to live downtown (or close to it) if we could afford it, and not even own a car.
Of course, everything I just said is based on personal experience, as is everything everybody else is saying.
If cost of living is a factor - and for many, it is - it would be difficult to recommend Chicago to most people. But I can say the same about Seattle, where my daughter lives. And NY. And San Fran. And Boston. And DC. And Hawaii. And LA. Etc, etc, etc. There are plenty of good places to live far cheaper than Chicago, depending upon what one wants.
In my first few years living in Chicago, one of my go-to comments was: "The worst thing about living in Chicago is that I no longer get to go to Chicago on expense account."
Oh, how I used to love work assignments in Chicago!
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Isn’t that what everybody’s doing when they’re saying the schools in Chicago suck when they have 7 of the top 10 in the state? Or saying that there’s terrible crime when 75% of that is concentrated in two sections of the city? I mean really this whole conversation is painting with a broad brush based on everybody’s experience in each city.
Doing a little cherry-picking, aren't we? I believe All of those schools are highly competitive magnet programs, and only educate 10% of the kids in CPS high schools. What happens to the 90% of the kids who aren't smart enough (or whose parent's aren't politically connected enough) to get in?
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Doing a little cherry-picking, aren't we? I believe All of those schools are highly competitive magnet programs, and only educate 10% of the kids in CPS high schools. What happens to the 90% of the kids who aren't smart enough (or whose parent's aren't politically connected enough) to get in?
I could say the same about Milwaukee and most cities. in fact I’m fairly sure that Milwaukee’s best are lower than Chicago’s but you have never pointed out how bad those public schools are.
It’s like you have a vendetta against CPS and have never acknowledged its successes or any other systems deficiencies.
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Doing a little cherry-picking, aren't we? I believe All of those schools are highly competitive magnet programs, and only educate 10% of the kids in CPS high schools. What happens to the 90% of the kids who aren't smart enough (or whose parent's aren't politically connected enough) to get in?
Well, everybody is cherry-picking, you included.
You cite Chicago's horrible crime, but ignore that it's pretty middle-of-the-road as far as major cities go, and you know well that the crime is highly concentrated, both in terms of location and the population affected. It is terrible for those communities and more needs to be done about it (and why more isn't done is a whole other debate we probably want to avoid, right?).
You cite taxes, but ignore that in terms of cost of living Chicago is not terribly high for a major American city.
You talk about how bad the schools are (based on what?) but ignore that many of the state's top public schools are in the city, and CPS across the board has made remarkable progress over the last decade on test scores, graduation rates, students who go on to receive college degrees and a host of benchmarks.
I take no issue with someone preferring Madison or the Twin Cities or Boise, Idaho or their cozy little upper-class suburb to Chicago. Everybody is free to have their own likes and dislikes, and realistically that's going to change depending on your stage in life (i.e. the mid 20s me and the mid 40s me have very different priorities when it comes to choosing where to live).
But I do take issue with those who wish to paint Chicago as some crime-infested and corrupt ghetto, because that's far from the truth.
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Richard Jeni: 'I think that's how Chicago got started. A bunch of people in New York said, 'Gee, I'm enjoying the crime and the poverty, but it just isn't cold enough. Let's go west."
Personally, I prefer smaller town living. I love visiting the big cities, but would not want to live there. Maybe when I was younger. The nice thing about Connecticut, is that I can drive 5 minutes to the train station and be in the middle of Manhattan in about 75 minutes. And its just a little more than a two hour drive to Boston, which I love to visit. Similar to the way you folks in WI/IL have close access to Chicago and Milwaukee.
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But how often does one visit? Half my dad’s family is from east Troy and Waukesha, that half never steps foot in Chicago which is a consensus I had heard from multiple sconi’s during my tenure at MU.
Re Milwaukee. that’s why I said someone can add other cities to the list. Milwaukee’s my third favorite city after Chicago and Boston, it’s for sure an actual hidden gem and travel, food, and beer blogs generally agree with that sentiment.
Cities like Chicago and Boston, without a doubt, have more going for them than Milwaukee. There's just no way around it. Food, beer, tourism, athletics, scenery, culture, shopping, etc, etc, etc are all better in Chicago than Milwaukee.
Having lived in Madison, Milwaukee, and Minneapolis (next stop Moline!), it also seems pretty evident that Milwaukee and Minneapolis have more to offer than Madison in just about any category you can think of. And the beauty of Milwaukee and Minneapolis is that they're big cities with a small city feel. People are generally friendly and inviting, getting around isn't challenging or time consuming, and the costs aren't much different than living in a town of 100K or so. Bigger perk - living in the burbs still provides easy access to the city centers in both places. Most people I know that have visited have great things to say about both cities and are typically very surprised at how much they enjoy themselves there. I think they're both (not so) hidden gems.
Madison has plenty of things going for it, but in much smaller doses than the bigger cities. Plus, any time you live in a college town, having to deal with congestion on gamedays, graduations, etc is a real pain if you're not participating in those events.
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Madison is probably the best city in the Midwest. Chicago included. And I love Chicago. Love him or hate him, Barry Red Pants is one of the most respected figures in college athletics. A very good guy to have on your side. UW is a public ivy and a classic American college that draws from all over (What's up Coasties!).
Please do not let the guy who dropped out of UW-Oshkosh but is draped in red and hates MU cloud your judgement.
Bruh? Minneapolis, Chicago, St Louis, hell even Milwaukee and LA crosse. Lets be real. It's not even the best city in the state.
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I can’t tell if you’re trolling, forgot the teal or just a guy from a north shore suburb or far western suburb who claimed he did Chicago because he went to lolla and navy peir one weekend every summer but if it is serious then you didn’t do chicago right and spent too much time in Lakeview/LP
It’s not a public ivy it’s a “worthy runner up” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
Maybe somewhat to the second.
Just curious, did you read the article you cited? The whole thing?
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Just curious, did you read the article you cited? The whole thing?
Yes are you referring to the Greene’s guide portion
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Just curious, did you read the article you cited? The whole thing?
IDK if reading an article based on a book from 1985 is the best thing to do while talking about colleges in 2017.
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Boxer, Michelin doesn't review restaurants in Madison. Only Chicago, SF, NYC, and DC (new this year). So you'll have a very hard time finding Michelin-starred places there.
Also, if we're being honest about the makeup of this board, if you all lived in Chicago, most of the crime and bad schools wouldn't be a part of your life.
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I love visiting Madison, and always have. Having to live there for three years significantly tarnished the shine, as what is new and kooky at first quickly becomes tiresome and worn, and when you start looking around you realize just how little substance there is there. Love Minneapolis. Great city and enough not to get bored. Neither can compare to Chicago, which is truly a great world class city. Spent a lot of time on the east side of Milwaukee, and really, really loved it as a place to live.
We all make choices at different points in our lives, as different priorities come to the top. The only constant is:
1. The Badgers suck.
2. (ok, racine sucks too. ;))
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Interesting nobody has popped up to talk about Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Detroit, Cleveland, St Louis or Kansas City
St. Louis is a perfectly fine place to spend a weekend.
I lived there for three years.
That should tell you how I feel about St. Louis.
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Im a consultant and have pretty much lived or worked for an extended period of time in every midwest city.
The top two to live in are unquestionably the Twin Cities and Indianapolis.
Chicago, obviously, has the most going on but its not really livable.
I'd probably have Cincinnati third.
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I love visiting Madison, and always have. Having to live there for three years significantly tarnished the shine, as what is new and kooky at first quickly becomes tiresome and worn, and when you start looking around you realize just how little substance there is there. Love Minneapolis. Great city and enough not to get bored. Neither can compare to Chicago, which is truly a great world class city. Spent a lot of time on the east side of Milwaukee, and really, really loved it as a place to live.
We all make choices at different points in our lives, as different priorities come to the top. The only constant is:
1. The Badgers suck.
2. (ok, racine sucks too. ;))
Ditto this. Love visiting Madison whenever I can for work. It's like the essence of Bayview manifested in a big city.
It's not midwestern, but Pittsburgh is a sneaky fun city to visit. Its vibe and architecture is reminiscent of Milwaukee, but it feels like Milwaukee all grown up. Plus, the views from Heinz and PNC are top-notch.
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Grand Rapids: 200k in a metropolitan area (depending on definition) of 500k
Pros: Beer, restaurants, proximity to outdoor activity (Lake Michigan beaches on this side of the lake are superior to beaches on the Wisconsin side), growing downtown and surging neighborhood development. Still relatively low cost of living. Good employment outlook. Artprize. Area really gets out and supports activities and ideas. Philanthropy.
Cons: Roads. Weather. Pollution issues from decades ago coming to fruition. Provincial mindset. Lack of an elite university. 3 hours from Chicago, Detroit. 4.5-5 from Milwaukee. Lack of a diverse middle class.
Challenges: Managing growth. Pollution. Relying on philanthropy. Having infrastructure keep up with demand. Getting kids who went away to college to come back.
Grand Rapids is much different than it was when I moved here in 1989. Then, you could fire off an AR 15 downtown at 5:01 on a Friday and not hit anything. You couldn't buy alcohol on Sunday. The Christian Reformed Church was the dominant cultural influence. It was even more insular and provincial.
Today, it is beer city. It has many more events that pull people in from the outside and bring suburbanites to the core city. The core city has a multitude of cranes. Gentrification is both a blessing and a curse. Neighborhoods that were crime ridden in 1990 are now full of hipsters. The CRC is no longer the dominant influence, but the Dutch mafia has simply moved behind the scenes and still have a major influence.
Compete with Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison? Not even close. We probably kick Ft. Wayne and Dayton's ass, though.
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Ditto this. Love visiting Madison whenever I can for work. It's like the essence of Bayview manifested in a big city.
It's not midwestern, but Pittsburgh is a sneaky fun city to visit. Its vibe and architecture is reminiscent of Milwaukee, but it feels like Milwaukee all grown up. Plus, the views from Heinz and PNC are top-notch.
I'll second that. Pittsburgh is a great town that really does have a lot of similarities to Milwaukee. I've had a lot of great food there, been to some fun bars, and I'll give their sports fans a high mark too - lots of passionate and dedicated fans out there. Best view in the city is up on Mount Washington, in my opinion.
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Ditto this. Love visiting Madison whenever I can for work. It's like the essence of Bayview manifested in a big city.
It's not midwestern, but Pittsburgh is a sneaky fun city to visit. Its vibe and architecture is reminiscent of Milwaukee, but it feels like Milwaukee all grown up. Plus, the views from Heinz and PNC are top-notch.
Dude, yes, yes, and yes.
Highly underrated. IMO, Pittsburgh is a unique hybrid of Midwest and East Coast. The Russo-Ukrainian influence is also unique for a bigger city.
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Love Pittsburgh as well. Great city with surprisingly good night life.
Honestly, I think I got turned off from Chicago simply because I have had too many conversations with people from Chicago trying to convince me that it's the greatest city ever. Especially compared to Milwaukee.
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Love Pittsburgh as well. Great city with surprisingly good night life.
Honestly, I think I got turned off from Chicago simply because I have had too many conversations with people from Chicago trying to convince me that it's the greatest city ever. Especially compared to Milwaukee.
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This is true but it goes both ways. I've lived in MIL for 15 yrs, love Chicago and grew up by Madison so I'm loving this thread. I think age and marital status matter greatly. Also I think all the cities have evolved greatly since 00. MIL I think is going the right way but even Madison is much more intriguing than 7 to 8 yrs ago. To me it used to be intolerable, but maybe I'm losing steam because I'm not a bachelor anymore. StI'll hate Bucky!!!
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Pittsburgh is what I ultimately hope MKE becomes. MKE was behind the renaissance curve that similar cities experienced and I think it might be a good thing in the long run. When it comes to trends, first one in or last one in usually benefit the most. I have high hopes for MKE learning from the success cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland and others and building off of the successes. Probably the most bullish I have been on Mil-town in my life.
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Pittsburgh is NOT a midwestern city.
Here are your choices:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Midwestern_cities_by_size
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This going to kill you but I always just lump Wicker Park / Ukranian Village / Logan Square in with Lakeview, etc. I realize they are different. I guess what I mean is they are distinct neighborhood yes, but not suburbs or city with suburb feel.
They are very much the same place, just at a different time. Good call.
You married a QAS girl?
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I don't think you have to live in the city to know that you want to live there or not. I never lived in Chicago but I know I would never live there, but I will play along. In order of preference
Milwaukee
Houston
La Crosse
Madison
Agree you don't have to live there first. My post was mainly in response to some of the posts about one place being so clearly better than another...which made me wonder how many people actually lived in some of the places they were dissing.
FWIW, I would never have even considered moving to Rochester, but I got the job offer of a lifetime, so off we went. Nineteen years later, and we LOVE this place. And at the time of the move, I would never have guessed that I'd come to like Minneapolis (where our daughter now lives, so we visit often) more than my original hometown of Milwaukee.
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Pittsburgh is what I ultimately hope MKE becomes. MKE was behind the renaissance curve that similar cities experienced and I think it might be a good thing in the long run. When it comes to trends, first one in or last one in usually benefit the most. I have high hopes for MKE learning from the success cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland and others and building off of the successes. Probably the most bullish I have been on Mil-town in my life.
:o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT6Q6XRqu5I
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They are very much the same place, just at a different time. Good call.
You married a QAS girl?
Howso? I’d be hard pressed to believe Lakeview and Lincoln Park were ever not overrun with B1G and ND alumni and clubs constantly. Wicker and Logan drew/draw a more artsy crowd.
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Madison is more akin to being the compared to the best "suburb" of Milwaukee than to Milwaukee itself. And I weirdly mean that as a compliment. Any comparisons of Madison-to-Milwaukee-to-Chicago are just going to be a bunch of people talking past each other.
Case in point - I always thought that judging cities by the number of top restaurants was kind of like when people go on House Hunters and say "I entertain my family once a year, so I need a 6 BR, 4000 sq ft house for my family of 3." Its not the number of five star restaurants that make a big city great to me, because I wouldn't go there enough anyway. Its how good/many/cheap ethnic restaurants are close to my place that also happen to be stupid good or vaguely authentic - because that's where I actually go enough to affect my quality of life. Then again, that shows how lame I am, and why I think saying that Madison is more like an ideal suburb than a destination city is a good thing.
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They are very much the same place, just at a different time. Good call.
You married a QAS girl?
And have held her captive in MKE for 18+ years.
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Howso? I’d be hard pressed to believe Lakeview and Lincoln Park were ever not overrun with B1G and ND alumni and clubs constantly. Wicker and Logan drew/draw a more artsy crowd.
They were not always that way.
Wicker park doesn't really draw that artsy a crowd any more, at least not in my experience. It's a miracle Rainbo is still there. I mean Real World did a show there, making it as Lincoln Park-y as anything.
Lakeview was a dump not all that long ago - 30 years. There were a lot of corner bars and it was very working class. Now most single family homes are former tear downs going for 1 mil+.
Logan has become the Wicker Park of 20 years ago. Humboldt Park will follow.
Lincoln Park - has always had the sport bars, for as long as I can remember. I think that's due to DePaul (clearly the DePaul fan isn't taking up those sports bars). However they did have their day in the artsy community (at least a drop in the pool) with Wax Trax and Lounge Ax. Lincoln north of Fullerton was great. South, khakis and college shirts.
Curious if there are real old-timers that have any thoughts on where the young ones lived and hung out in the 70s/80s? My knowledge really only goes so far.
More info here: http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/715.html
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They were not always that way.
Wicker park doesn't really draw that artsy a crowd any more, at least not in my experience. It's a miracle Rainbo is still there. I mean Real World did a show there, making it as Lincoln Park-y as anything.
Lakeview was a dump not all that long ago - 30 years. There were a lot of corner bars and it was very working class. Now most single family homes are former tear downs going for 1 mil+.
Logan has become the Wicker Park of 20 years ago. Humboldt Park will follow.
Lincoln Park - has always had the sport bars, for as long as I can remember. I think that's due to DePaul (clearly the DePaul fan isn't taking up those sports bars). However they did have their day in the artsy community (at least a drop in the pool) with Wax Trax and Lounge Ax. Lincoln north of Fullerton was great. South, khakis and college shirts.
Curious if there are real old-timers that have any thoughts on where the young ones lived and hung out in the 70s/80s? My knowledge really only goes so far.
More info here: http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/715.html
Interesting. All I knowas far as old timers go is my dad graduated NIU in 78 and used to hang out on rush street and at that Dearborn and division area.
I suppose that’s fair about wicker, guess I just still pretend it’s what it was when I was going there in jr high and high school.
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You are the worst.
but she is right on. great place to visit if you go with someone who knows their way around. go out to eat, hit 2nd city and go home
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But how often does one visit? Half my dad’s family is from east Troy and Waukesha, that half never steps foot in Chicago which is a consensus I had heard from multiple sconi’s during my tenure at MU.
Re Milwaukee. that’s why I said someone can add other cities to the list. Milwaukee’s my third favorite city after Chicago and Boston, it’s for sure an actual hidden gem and travel, food, and beer blogs generally agree with that sentiment.
east troy?? i probably know your dad's family then. i grew up there, my parents, a brother and sister still live there. it's a small world after all :D
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Chicago is the worst of the lot by far.
But just to talk about crime for a second here, yes there are certain areas of the city you wouldn't want to get stuck in like an Austin or an Englewood (and lets be honest, every major city has those areas) but a lot of it is greatly exaggerated.
I was on the wayyyyy south side just last night, 111th street in Morgan Park, which people would generally consider unsafe. But I never had a problem, and my safety never even crossed my mind once while I was down there.
Plus southside neighborhoods like Pullman, and Bronzeville are some of the coolest areas in the city. Take that for what you will.
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east troy?? i probably know your dad's family then. i grew up there, my parents, a brother and sister still live there. it's a small world after all :D
Probably, though his older half of the 9 are from the south side of Chicago so that’d depend on your age.
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Well, everybody is cherry-picking, you included.
You cite Chicago's horrible crime, but ignore that it's pretty middle-of-the-road as far as major cities go, and you know well that the crime is highly concentrated, both in terms of location and the population affected. It is terrible for those communities and more needs to be done about it (and why more isn't done is a whole other debate we probably want to avoid, right?).
You cite taxes, but ignore that in terms of cost of living Chicago is not terribly high for a major American city.
You talk about how bad the schools are (based on what?) but ignore that many of the state's top public schools are in the city, and CPS across the board has made remarkable progress over the last decade on test scores, graduation rates, students who go on to receive college degrees and a host of benchmarks.
I take no issue with someone preferring Madison or the Twin Cities or Boise, Idaho or their cozy little upper-class suburb to Chicago. Everybody is free to have their own likes and dislikes, and realistically that's going to change depending on your stage in life (i.e. the mid 20s me and the mid 40s me have very different priorities when it comes to choosing where to live).
But I do take issue with those who wish to paint Chicago as some crime-infested and corrupt ghetto, because that's far from the truth.
The improvements in test scores and graduation rates (still well below state and national averages) reflect to a degree an ongoing drop in student population, particularly in poorer performing schools. And as the population of students declines, measures to reduce cost are not commensurate. Plans to close or consolidate schools and reduce administrative overhead are met with opposition of CTU, whose pension system is insolvent despite the recent $140 MM bailout from the state's "Education Funding" bill.
And the CPS CEO resigned today amid an ethics scandal....
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Minneapolis is the best.
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So, it sounds like Gurnosha is the place where it’s at. Dead center in the “Beer ‘n Brat Triangle”.
I don't know why I ever complained about growing up in Gurnee. Chicago and Milwaukee were a hop-skip-and-a-jump in either direction, even though there was no Metra in town. I loved living by the highway and having easy access to everything unlike where Mrs Save OD grew up in Cary. That way I could experience everything there is to love about both cities and not have to deal with the crap that comes with living in either one. If it's up to me, I'd live on the I94 corridor for the rest of my life.
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The two years I lived in Chicago, when I was tail-gunner on a Budweiser truck, were among the happiest of my life.
Should I have used teal?
Yes, it's an old joke, but I have a weakness for the classics.
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I lived in Chicago. It's a sh1t hole to live in, but there is a ton of fun stuff to do. Good to visit. Mmmm, Italian beef. Mmmm, Chicago dogs. Mmmmm, Gepetto's deep dish. Love me some Wrigley Field.
BS to the crime is limited to two neighborhoods. And much of the criminal element in SE Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Madison, and Mpls has strong ties to Chicago.
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There was an article on my Facebook feed entitled "Each state perfectly summed up in one photo".
This was Illinois:
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There was an article on my Facebook feed entitled "Each state perfectly summed up in one photo".
This was Illinois:
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Really?
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There was an article on my Facebook feed entitled "Each state perfectly summed up in one photo".
This was Illinois:
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Looks like fun!
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Howso? I’d be hard pressed to believe Lakeview and Lincoln Park were ever not overrun with B1G and ND alumni and clubs constantly. Wicker and Logan drew/draw a more artsy crowd.
Curious what the basis is for your opinion of Lakeview & Lincoln Park? If you're going based on the bar scene, then yes, you'd be right. I'd feel the same way if I got caught in Tbox today, but my experience is a bit different.
I've spent 7+ years in Lakeview and my block alone is a little melting pot - different ethnic backgrounds, ages, races, orientations, and wide income spectrum. I love it. Keep things interesting. We've got nicknames for all the local characters. I also love the proximity to the lakefront, where I spend a good chunk of time. Great access to downtown or anywhere north too. Going west or driving anywhere is a huge pain in *ss.
Love the character of the neighborhoods you mentioned too. Lakeview is a just a better fit for my lifestyle at this point. Regardless, it's nice to not think twice and just walk for the majority of the day-to-day stuff (groceries, dry cleaning, pharmacy, local restaurants & bars, Cubs games, etc..) and see people from all different walks of life.
Chicago is the worst of the lot by far.
But just to talk about crime for a second here, yes there are certain areas of the city you wouldn't want to get stuck in like an Austin or an Englewood (and lets be honest, every major city has those areas) but a lot of it is greatly exaggerated.
I was on the wayyyyy south side just last night, 111th street in Morgan Park, which people would generally consider unsafe. But I never had a problem, and my safety never even crossed my mind once while I was down there.
Plus southside neighborhoods like Pullman, and Bronzeville are some of the coolest areas in the city. Take that for what you will.
Grew up a bit west of there. Loved the South Side bubble, but glad I got out. Know too many people with their name on the local bar stool.
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Chicago receives -10000 points for its traffic issues. Too many damn people.
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Curious what the basis is for your opinion of Lakeview & Lincoln Park? If you're going based on the bar scene, then yes, you'd be right. I'd feel the same way if I got caught in Tbox today, but my experience is a bit different.
I've spent 7+ years in Lakeview and my block alone is a little melting pot - different ethnic backgrounds, ages, races, orientations, and wide income spectrum. I love it. Keep things interesting. We've got nicknames for all the local characters. I also love the proximity to the lakefront, where I spend a good chunk of time. Great access to downtown or anywhere north too. Going west or driving anywhere is a huge pain in *ss.
Love the character of the neighborhoods you mentioned too. Lakeview is a just a better fit for my lifestyle at this point. Regardless, it's nice to not think twice and just walk for the majority of the day-to-day stuff (groceries, dry cleaning, pharmacy, local restaurants & bars, Cubs games, etc..) and see people from all different walks of life.
Grew up a bit west of there. Loved the South Side bubble, but glad I got out. Know too many people with their name on the local bar stool.
Ironically I’m at TBox right now. I have a love/hate relationship with it. I love Lakeview to, for different reasons than I loved my time in Humboldt Park and growing up in Albany Park. It’s safer, has an abundance of restaurants that are cutting edge, clean, intriguing etc.
I was primarily going off the bar scene and the 20 something’s I know that live in the respective neighborhoods. If I wanted to go to a punk show or an underground hip hop show I’d hit up my friends out in Logan or Humboldt or Pilsen if I wanted to go to see dave Matthews I’d hit up my friends in Lakeview or LP and if I wanted to play the bagpipes and fight a cops son I’d go to Beverly or Jefferson Park
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In what way?
You're always negative. Pretty sure I'm sitting next to you at Wandos right now. Resting bitch face.
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Went to Detroit for a Packer game a few years ago. It was a fun place to visit. Definitely exceeded my expectations.
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You're always negative. Pretty sure I'm sitting next to you at Wandos right now. Resting bitch face.
Interesting. She's not that way at all. Now she has opinions on things that she's willing to share and she can certainly be sarcastic when she wants to be but are you simply upset that she might disagree with you? Can you simply not handle a woman with her own opinion? Seriously, in some stages in life Chicago (or any place) offers strong positives. In other stages, not so much. Does anyone really believe retiring here is a good idea absent grandkids, etc.? We don't. But that's why it's a free country, right? Anyway, it's an hour to Bucky beatdown.
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You're always negative. Pretty sure I'm sitting next to you at Wandos right now. Resting bitch face.
Funniest post of the year.
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Funniest post of the year.
Thank you.
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Just curious if people would post the list of cities where they have actually LIVED for at least a year, to get a perspective on how much of it is homerism, and how much is based on real-life comparison.
I'll start:
Milwaukee (born and raised)
Chicago
Madison
Nashville
Richmond
Rochester
And FWIW, in each case, I have lived in the city mentioned (not the 'burbs).
Of the cities I've lived, if I were ranking where I'd want to live for the rest of my life, I'd rank them:
1. Rochester
2. Madison
3. Milwaukee
4. Nashville
5. Chicago
6. Richmond
Here is the list of the cities( with Neighborhoods as applicable) I have lived in.
1. LA-South Central LA
2. LA-Homeless Downtown LA
3. LA-North Hollywood
4. Del Mar CA
5. Madison
6. Milwaukee
7. East Lansing
8. Knoxville, TN
9. New York - West Village
10. New York- Gramercy Park
11. New York- UN
12. New York- Upper East Side
13. New York - Upper West Side
14. New York- Suburbs
15. Palm Beach
16. Chicago- Hyde Park
17. Chicago- Gold Coast
18. Chicago- Lincoln Park
19. Chicago- Lincoln Square
I think when I evaluate the cities certain factors have to be taken into. From a financial standpoint I have been destitute, poor, student , broke, middle class, upper middle class, rich, wealthy.From a personal standpoint I have been single, had a girlfriend married, had kids, had mistress, engaged in affair. I think all these things taken together help create a point of view .
Overall I would say New York is the worst place. It is highly overrated. Crowded bad traffic just an overall unhealthy place. Lots of people with bad attitudes.
I would say Chicago is the best place I lived, as it has almost everything New York has but it far more livable. The only things New York has that Chicago doesn't are Broadway and the fashion industries which I could care less about . New York is also a media capital, but as I have gotten to know many of those people over the years, I have found that to a be a negative.
My overall best and most enjoyable was living on the Gold Coast in Chicago. I could walk to work, go to the beach, easy access to high way to get to Ohare . Had a great view of the lake and lake shore drive. Relationship status was perfect.
I think the period of time I lived in LA shaped a lot of my world view. I was at the bottom and it forced me to be independent and self reliant. It also taught me early on how many phonies there are in the world. Showed me anything is possible if you believe in your self .
Madison , East Lansing and Knoxville are all fun depending on the context . Del Mar was pretty but it is like living in a vacation all year long . Palm Beach is full of wealthy socialites and gets old quickly.
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The improvements in test scores and graduation rates (still well below state and national averages) reflect to a degree an ongoing drop in student population, particularly in poorer performing schools. And as the population of students declines, measures to reduce cost are not commensurate. Plans to close or consolidate schools and reduce administrative overhead are met with opposition of CTU, whose pension system is insolvent despite the recent $140 MM bailout from the state's "Education Funding" bill.
And the CPS CEO resigned today amid an ethics scandal....
So, your position is all the poor test-takers and future dropouts left the city?
Huh.
Of course the test scores are below average. The (by far) number one factor in success on standardized tests is socio-economic standing. You think kids from Englewood and Austin and Back of the Yards are going to have the same academic success as kids from Wilmette and Naperville, or even Moline and Springfield?
And the CEO's resignation (do you even know why?) proves the schools are poor, how?
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Hah, indeed. I was putting your hyperbolic claim of "remarkable" progress in the proper context. Where did I say ALL the poor performers left the city? Where did I say "the schools are poor?"
And the Claypool resignation was applauded by the CTU, because he tried to trim expenses and consolidate operations and didn't beg, borrow or steal to their liking. Did you know that?
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Hah, indeed. I was putting your hyperbolic claim of "remarkable" progress in the proper context. Where did I say ALL the poor performers left the city? Where did I say "the schools are poor?"
The progress has been remarkable. Are you disputing that? A Stanford study released this year showed CPS test scores improving at a rate better than 96 percent of districts across the country. Do they still have a ways to go? Of course, because where they were a 15-20 years ago was so low. But that doesn't remotely invalidate what I wrote (which, I suppose, you're tacitly admitting).
And the Claypool resignation was applauded by the CTU, because he tried to trim expenses and consolidate operations and didn't beg, borrow or steal to their liking. Did you know that?
So, the answer is no?
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No, I know why Claypool resigned. As I stated earlier it was regarding and ethics scandal. Cover-up, lying to Inspector General, conflict of interest. Just another day in Chicago politics.
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Here is the list of the cities( with Neighborhoods as applicable) I have lived in.
1. LA-South Central LA
2. LA-Homeless Downtown LA
3. LA-North Hollywood
4. Del Mar CA
5. Madison
6. Milwaukee
7. East Lansing
8. Knoxville, TN
9. New York - West Village
10. New York- Gramercy Park
11. New York- UN
12. New York- Upper East Side
13. New York - Upper West Side
14. New York- Suburbs
15. Palm Beach
16. Chicago- Hyde Park
17. Chicago- Gold Coast
18. Chicago- Lincoln Park
19. Chicago- Lincoln Square
I think when I evaluate the cities certain factors have to be taken into. From a financial standpoint I have been destitute, poor, student , broke, middle class, upper middle class, rich, wealthy.From a personal standpoint I have been single, had a girlfriend married, had kids, had mistress, engaged in affair. I think all these things taken together help create a point of view .
Overall I would say New York is the worst place. It is highly overrated. Crowded bad traffic just an overall unhealthy place. Lots of people with bad attitudes.
I would say Chicago is the best place I lived, as it has almost everything New York has but it far more livable. The only things New York has that Chicago doesn't are Broadway and the fashion industries which I could care less about . New York is also a media capital, but as I have gotten to know many of those people over the years, I have found that to a be a negative.
My overall best and most enjoyable was living on the Gold Coast in Chicago. I could walk to work, go to the beach, easy access to high way to get to Ohare . Had a great view of the lake and lake shore drive. Relationship status was perfect.
I think the period of time I lived in LA shaped a lot of my world view. I was at the bottom and it forced me to be independent and self reliant. It also taught me early on how many phonies there are in the world. Showed me anything is possible if you believe in your self .
Madison , East Lansing and Knoxville are all fun depending on the context . Del Mar was pretty but it is like living in a vacation all year long . Palm Beach is full of wealthy socialites and gets old quickly.
Wow, you've been kicked out of a lot of places ;D
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One thing we might all agree on: Madison would have been the best Midwest City to be in late this morning and early this afternoon.
;)
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One can find enjoyable, rewarding, satisfying places to live in any metro area.
I have friends and relatives who live in the Detroit area, the Cleveland area, the KC area, the St. Louis area and many others, and they love where they live. They love their pro teams, they love their suburban enclaves, they love their schools, etc.
I live in Charlotte. There are many areas that are gorgeous and extremely livable. There are many that I would't condemn my enemies to live in.
Like pretty much every other city in America.
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TheGRIMEY
Your post made me laugh quite hard. Well done.
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Guess it is what you are looking for. Twin Cities is great. Grand Rapids is also great. Madison is to phony for me. As I see it, raping the rest of Wisconsin for them to look good. But that is just my opinion.
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Went to Detroit for a Packer game a few years ago. It was a fun place to visit. Definitely exceeded my expectations.
I worked in the Detroit metro for 4 years. When people ask me of my experience there I tell them I had a blast. Their Metro Parks are awesome. Many hours blading around Kennsington. Also loved to hang out in Royal Oak. Has a blue collar feel (I grew up in Kenosha) with a high IQ from all the engineering. People are great too, tough exteriors but warm hearts.
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Madison is to phony for me. As I see it, raping the rest of Wisconsin for them to look good. But that is just my opinion.
What do you mean by this?
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One thing we might all agree on: Madison would have been the best Midwest City to be in late this morning and early this afternoon.
;)
Amen, Brother Goooo - God do I love MU beating Bucky!
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The progress has been remarkable. Are you disputing that? A Stanford study released this year showed CPS test scores improving at a rate better than 96 percent of districts across the country. Do they still have a ways to go? Of course, because where they were a 15-20 years ago was so low. But that doesn't remotely invalidate what I wrote (which, I suppose, you're tacitly admitting).
So, the answer is no?
In my opinion...You're dead wrong on this. Citing the Stanford research study is great...while you question if someone knows why Claypool resigned...but do you understand the methodology used in the study you reference? Have you read the peer reviews? The study may be reliable, but it has validity issues that many with similar "Stanford" level research skills have questioned. Nothing against CPS...they have an impossible battle on their hands.
Oh, and for best cities to live in...never enjoyed big cities for more than a few days...Kohler and Bailey's Harbor do it for me.
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The progress has been remarkable. Are you disputing that? A Stanford study released this year showed CPS test scores improving at a rate better than 96 percent of districts across the country. Do they still have a ways to go? Of course, because where they were a 15-20 years ago was so low. But that doesn't remotely invalidate what I wrote (which, I suppose, you're tacitly admitting).
So, the answer is no?
If you have a penny and I give you another penny your net worth just increased by 100%. Some would call such an increase remarkable. I'd say you're still pretty bad off.
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Chicago receives -10000 points for its traffic issues. Too many damn people.
That's why it is great to live and work in the city--you don't drive. A bad day commute for me is 20 minutes tops from Lakeview to the Lake stop. If it's nice out, I get a great bike ride on the lake path. The concentration of businesses in the loop/west loop/river north and good public transportation infrastructure is great.
I don't get the vitriol for the city. If you don't like the amenities of a big city, don't live in Chicago. Now, if there's anything to complain about, it is the lack of a good golf course I don't have to drive for 40 minutes to reach.
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If you don't like the amenities of a big city, don't live in Chicago. Now, if there's anything to complain about, it is the lack of a good golf course I don't have to drive for 40 minutes to reach.
This.
How many Scoopers are "forced" to live anywhere?
We walked almost everywhere during the time we lived in Chicago, and where we didn't walk we took public transit.
Totally agree about the golf, though. My buddies and I had a regular game on Friday. Took me a solid 30-40 minutes to get to the course, and often an hour, 15 or more to get home on a Friday afternoon.
But even all of that was my choice. I chose to live in Chicago, I chose to want to play golf.
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That's why it is great to live and work in the city--you don't drive. A bad day commute for me is 20 minutes tops from Lakeview to the Lake stop. If it's nice out, I get a great bike ride on the lake path. The concentration of businesses in the loop/west loop/river north and good public transportation infrastructure is great.
I don't get the vitriol for the city. If you don't like the amenities of a big city, don't live in Chicago. Now, if there's anything to complain about, it is the lack of a good golf course I don't have to drive for 40 minutes to reach.
Harborside isn't far from downtown - public, two solid 18 hole courses.
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Harborside isn't far from downtown - public, two solid 18 hole courses.
Harborside in the afternoon during late August was probably my favorite round I've ever played. The weather/environment almost made me forget how garbage I was playing.
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Lived in Lincoln Park for 4 years, now in Madison for 6+. They aren't really comparable for a whole lot of reasons, biggest being cost of living.
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I also enjoyed Harborside the few times I played it, but it's pricey. I didn't have the kind of money - or the kind of game - to justify $75+ rounds.
And the ride home from Harborside on a Friday afternoon was no picnic, either.
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Harborside isn't far from downtown - public, two solid 18 hole courses.
I do love Harborside. I tend to go to Lost Marsh as well. To be honest, cycling has eaten a lot into golf time this year.
Need to remedy that with a Robert Trent Jones trail trip down south to get the season off on the right foot.
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What do you mean by this?
I'm not NCMUFan, but I assume he means the "subsidy city" aspect of Madison. Their local economy is supported by all the money and jobs the university and state government bring to the city. It's supported and subsidized by the rest of the state.
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In my opinion...You're dead wrong on this. Citing the Stanford research study is great...while you question if someone knows why Claypool resigned...but do you understand the methodology used in the study you reference? Have you read the peer reviews? The study may be reliable, but it has validity issues that many with similar "Stanford" level research skills have questioned. Nothing against CPS...they have an impossible battle on their hands.
The Standford study methodology certainly has limitations, including the following which it states:
"If most of the students who left the system were students with low test scores, average scores would improve simply because many of the lowest achieving students are no longer enrolled in the system. Or if low-achieving students were often held back a grade, they would effectively have two years in which to learn the same material (and more than five years between third and eighth grade), which could artificially inflate growth rates between third and eighth grades."
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I'm not NCMUFan, but I assume he means the "subsidy city" aspect of Madison. Their local economy is supported by all the money and jobs the university and state government bring to the city. It's supported and subsidized by the rest of the state.
Well, Dane Co contributes more tax dollars and revenue to the state budget than it receives. So it helps subsidize the state, too.
There's also Epic Software and American Family insurance as big employers. A lot of smaller research companies here, too. Some other businesses have left, like Oscar Mayer, but there's a whole lot more than just the University and Government.
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I do love Harborside. I tend to go to Lost Marshball as well. To be honest, cycling has eaten a lot into golf time this year.
Need to remedy that with a Robert Trent Jones trail trip down south to get the season off on the right foot.
Fixed that for you. After the round you're only 5 minutes from 18th Street Brewery too. Would recommend Ravisloe as well in Flossmoor.
As for Chicago traffic sure it's going to be bad if you try and drive from the burbs to the loop. That's why there are trains. My commute from Avondale to West Town / Fulton Market is about 20 minutes driving or 20 biking.
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Can we plz move this retarded string to the superbar???!!!
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Can we plz move this retarded string to the superbar???!!!
hate that word with a passion. not surprised you use it.
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Well, Dane Co contributes more tax dollars and revenue to the state budget than it receives. So it helps subsidize the state, too.
I'm curious what that number includes. Does it include salaries for state and university employees?
I found this info from 2014
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/analysis-wisconsin-state-employees-earned-more-than-b-in/article_ca2487a0-d5aa-52a3-b58a-54b0de73a399.html
"About one out of every three people paid by the DOA in 2013 worked in Dane County. Those 13,518 employees received a total of $671.3 million, up from $643.7 million in 2012, when there were 13,189 paid."
I also found this study from 2015 on the economic impact of UW-Madison that has a lot of interesting info.
http://www.aurp.net/assets/documents/2015/uwm_2015_northstar_study.pdf
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hate that word with a passion. not surprised you use it.
Yep.
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I'm curious what that number includes. Does it include salaries for state and university employees?
I found this info from 2014
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/analysis-wisconsin-state-employees-earned-more-than-b-in/article_ca2487a0-d5aa-52a3-b58a-54b0de73a399.html
"About one out of every three people paid by the DOA in 2013 worked in Dane County. Those 13,518 employees received a total of $671.3 million, up from $643.7 million in 2012, when there were 13,189 paid."
I also found this study from 2015 on the economic impact of UW-Madison that has a lot of interesting info.
http://www.aurp.net/assets/documents/2015/uwm_2015_northstar_study.pdf
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/city-plan-dane-county-responsible-for-over-half-of-wisconsin/article_25e33d5a-87b1-5022-a25a-065c6ba43f46.html
A report from the city, so not sure how much bias there is...
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Can we plz move this retarded string to the superbar???!!!
How old are you?
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How old are you?
Clue #1: His name is Mr. Sand Knit.
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No love for Gary?
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Nat Geo Travel names Madison one of the country's best small cities...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/)
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Nat Geo Travel names Madison one of the country's best small cities...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/)
Well, it certainly was one of the best small cities the MU hoops team visited this season.
I think Markus, AR and Sam just scored again!
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Nat Geo Travel names Madison one of the country's best small cities...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/)
I remember Duane Wilson tweeting out that "urban kids" do not feel welcome in Madison.
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I remember Duane Wilson tweeting out that "urban kids" do not feel welcome in Madison.
That would only help Madison's stats in these rankings. Wish I could put that in teal.
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Nat Geo Travel names Madison one of the country's best small cities...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/travel/wisconsin/2018/01/16/nat-geo-travel-names-madison-one-countrys-best-small-cities/1037171001/)
It's pretty much impossible to objectively judge. Not everybody wants the same things in a city.
It's like those lists that put naperville as one of the best towns in America, I would go crazy that far from the city with that many people who all are from the same background, think the same, look the same. On the other hand others love it for safety, schools, vast plots of land, seeing people who look and think exactly like them, etc.