Scholarship table
Are there really posters here who don’t think these things are important? I find that hard to believe.
I have to admit I have been miss understanding the tools the gov't uses to control the population....Playing the national anthem before every gathering and having people stand and sing? Not about control. Mask mandates that reduce the amount of pathogens in the air during a pandemic? All about controlling people.An omnipresent police force that is militarized better than 75% of other nations armies? Not about control. Vaccine mandates that help protect others in our society? All about controlling people.Reducing/eliminating social welfare and unemployment benefits without having a minimum livable wage? Not about control. Social distancing requirements that may, in tandem with masks and vaccines, limit the spread of a disease in our society? All about controlling people.I can see clearly now!
Yours is a very odd post. What does playing the National Anthem and allowing people to sing, stand, sit, kneel or buy beer at the concession stands - IOW, what people’s choices really are - have to do with control?The police are omnipresent? LOL. Do they “control” the bad guys? I hope so. Isn’t that their job?And however one feels about welfare, unemployment benefits and the minimum wage they are all ways the government “controls” its citizens. Whether you’re in the group they’re taking from or the one they’re giving to more involvement (larger transfers) means greater control.It’s fair to discuss where and how much control we should give to government but as long as people insist less equals more we’ll get nowhere.
What would the point be, honestly?
Finigan has been divorced from reality for a while now.
If it was caused in nature, I’d like to know the culprit. We never found the cause of the 1918 pandemic. I think it’s important to know and try and isolate.
Agreed. We absolutely should learn the origin of this deadly coronavirus.Similarly, I think we all agree that we need to find out exactly who was behind the violent coup attempt to overthrow the U.S. government on 1/6/21.
Keefe Jr. joins the conversation......not your normal level of creepy though.
Ohh good. We haven’t had a 1/6/21 reference in about 24 hours. Glad we can keep on schedule.
There are usernames on here that aren't stupid, Ziggy?
4.94 million dead, a couple hundred million infected, mental illness off the charts, millions of school children falling hopelessly behind, economies ruined, etc., etc., etc. vs one dead protester among a few hundred other unarmed bozos who were daffy but certainly not daffy enough to think they were involved in a violent (weapon free) coup attempt. Good comps, they no doubt deserve the same amount of scrutiny.
It might just be that BOTH are very bad and BOTH should be fully investigated. I realize your politics interferes with your ability to reach such an obvious conclusion, but it is what it is..And no, economies are not "ruined" and children aren't "hopelessly" behind. Words have meanings, and you're not using these correctly.
Yes, words do have meaning. What happened Jan 6 was awful, but calling it a “violent attempt to overthrow the government” is absurd. We’re those few hundred folks going to walk into the Capitol armed with nothing but their cellphones and just “take over”?So I’ll substitute “thousands of businesses” for economies and apologize for my hyperbole. I won’t backtrack on children being left “hopelessly behind”, especially those in our poorest communities who were already on the brink. Regrettably, I think that assessment is accurate.
You really are telling on yourself here, Lenny. So far, about 685 people have been charged in connection with the Capitol riots and estimates have between 800 and 1,000 people entering the building that day, with thousands more on the Capitol grounds. Unless you believe literally hundreds of people are being falsely prosecuted, that seems a bit more than your insistence that it was just "a few hundred folks."Armed with nothing more than cell phones? Among the weapons these "daffy folks" were carrying, and in many instances used against law enforcement, that day were stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats, flagpoles, hockey sticks, axes, knives, fire extinguishers and clubs. Oh, and as of June, four people had been charged with carrying a firearm on the Capitol grounds that day.Now, who exactly told you these daffy folks weren't armed? I'm thinking it starts with an 'F' and ends with an 'X.'And why no mention of the groups to which these daffy folk belonged? You know, the Oath Keepers, the 3 Percenters, the Proud Boys, etc.? Or the evidence that these groups planned their actions well in advance? And just so we're clear, the victim you describe as a "protester" illegally broke into the Capitol with the stated intent to stop one of our most sacred Constitutional processes, then attempted to smash her way through a closed door into the Speaker's lobby to get at the members of Congress hiding there.Lastly, you're wrong about students being "hopelessly" behind. Kids fell behind, for sure, but the notion that the learning loss is irretrievable is not one shared in the educational community. I don't want to get the thread locked - and maybe I've already gone too far (sorry, Rocky and Topper) - so I'll stop there.
Yes, words do have meaning. What happened Jan 6 was awful, but calling it a “violent attempt to overthrow the government” is absurd. We’re those few hundred folks going to walk into the Capitol armed with nothing but their cellphones and just “take over”?
I’m telling on myself? LOL. I hate what happened Jan 6 and have no sympathy for the mob who stormed the Capitol. But let’s be honest. 684 people have been charged with crimes considerably short of sedition or treason. And from what we’ve seen from the current Justice Department I don’t think anyone could opine that they’re going easy on these bozos.My opinion? It was a mob of angry people from disparate groups who (like mobs often do) got horribly out of control. If they really think that 800 mostly unarmed people were going to take over the US government they belong in mental institutions rather than jails.