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I will take my chances on a human pilot going haywire rather than a computer named Hal.
Eh.... current robotic surgery hasn't really changed the field of surgery all that much. And, when talking about robotic surgery, there is no "robot" doing anything. It's a human controlling every movement of a machine. The machine can't do a thing on its own.
Heisenberg, I'm all for progress and a technology nut...I've been involved with it for decades on the entertainment side. Yes, things are coming and we need to continue to evolve. But there are also questions that have to be asked, ethical questions, procedural questions, pure medical questions. Robotics will continue to be used, AI will get better, etc, etc. No one is questioning this. However, the questions that do come up revolve around adoption, pragmatism, etc. We will still be training surgeons with a knife for many many many years to come.People bitch about health care costs until the cows come home....wonder how much it will cost to put robotic instruments into every hospital in the nation? Who's going to pay for them? You will have some hospitals that will have them, any many many many that will not for a long time.
Hackers can infiltrate White House and Pentagon computer systems.Hackers can steal personal information to perpetrate identity theft at the touch of the button.Anyone who thinks those same hackers couldn't infiltrate the software that runs the cars - and bring traffic everywhere to a grinding halt - are hopelessly naive.I believe the road will be filled with nothing but driverless cars only after we are convinced we have definitively prevented hackers from reading POTUS' private records or stealing our SSNs. Anybody got a date on that?
You are hopelessly naive in the way computers work.
Cost will be cheaper than human surgeons so we will need less of them. This is the solution to rising healthcare costs, not a reason for them to go up more.
It's already happened with cars and now planes. Earlier in this thread a pilot said it could not happen. Ooops...already has.Of course it can, anyone is naive to think it cannot.
Humans kill 40,000 and injury 2 million a year but you're worried about hackers. The carnage has to stop. It will went the steering wheel is obsolete.Regarding hackers, our entire financial system is automated and on the net. We don't even issue paper certificates anymore. everything is electronic and some account on the computer database. If hackers can do what you claim they would Drain everybody's account of money and put the world and the chaos, they haven't even come close. The reason they can't is security measures are much more sophisticated than you're giving them credit for. Embrace change Cicos, don't be that bitter old man in the corner at sunrise soiling his pants complaining about Robot doctors and driverless cars.
You are using raw numbers....out of how many drivers, time, miles, etc are humans killed on the road? Very low. Extremely low. Will automated cars be better? Perhaps...at what cost, however? You don't seem to factor that in. Look, I just gave you a few articles that show what they can do. I'm not claiming anything, this thing called the FBI is confirming it. Or an actual demonstration with 60 minutes a few years ago. Now, is that a reason not to move forward with it? Of course not, nor did I say that. But the absurdity here that it CANNOT HAPPEN, is pure horsecrap. Of course it can, and already has.I've embraced change my whole life Heisenburg, I just don't run around with my head cut off at the next new change and come on here proclaiming it's all going to be done by tomorrow and claiming entire industries are already dead, when they won't be dead for decades. That's the difference.
How is the photography, book selling, newspaper, travel agency, electronics retailing, video rental and music industry doing? What purpose does the public library serve today? Auto Nation, the largest car dealership in the country, says the most important thing driving new car sales ... Connectivity and how it interfaces with a smart phone. Your industry is getting flattened by cord cutters. Regarding the technology discussed here, see a few posts above, the world will be radically different in 2030, just like it is radical different now from 2000.Speaking of 2000 ... Google, Apple and social media essentially did not exist 15 years ago. Broadband was unheard of, now my phone moves at broadband speeds. Peter Diamandis, author of BOLD and a big Silicon Valley thinker correctly notes that a mobile phone today on an LTE network has more, deeper and faster information than the president of the United States could Marshall 20 years ago using all the resources of the United States government. In 20 years a 12 year with a mobile phone in Mumbai will have more info than Obama can demand from his advisors today. Epic change is coming. (Side note, Diamandis has an MD degree from Havard, to go with an engineering degree from MIT, and he is leading the charge for robot is surgery),It's 15 years away. Start changing.
Seems like some people here have never heard of denial of service attacks....which have occurred against banks and other companies with very sophisticated systems.If everyone in America was dependent on computerized cars to get around-the trauma surgeon getting to the hospital to take care of a gunshot patient, pregnant women trying to get to the hospital to deliver their babies, the fiftysomething-year-old man trying to get to the hospital with crushing chest pain-a simple denial of service attack that shut down all the cars for a while could cost plenty of lives. You don't need a hacker to take control of the cars...just someone who could shut them down for a while. Plenty of lives, and incredible financial costs. Not all change is good.
Yup! Here is another....http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/18/fbi-affidavit-claims-security-expert-admitted-to-briefly-hacking-flight/
General comment about the techno-luddites in this thread ....So a suicidal co-pilot crashes a plane and yet I don't hear you demanding psychological testing and a complete invasion of the privacy of cockpit personnel to prevent this from happening again. Are you resigning yourself that was a tragedy and then shrug your shoulders and buy a plane ticket to fly again when necessary.At the same time one guy hacked a plane's entertainment system and probably watched Pitch Perfect for free so that means we have to stop the entire movement toward pilot-less planes because he claims (but cannot be proven) that he took over the controls of the plane. (If that was possible, it will be corrected shortly, if not already.)What I'm saying is human pilots are way to dangerous (as are human drivers) and we have to do everything we can to get them out of the cockpit and off the roads. The level of human mistakes is unacceptably high. Until now we had no choice but accept this risk. Now, for the first time, we have a real solution.Oh, and ditto this with surgeons and robotic surgery.Finally, are you against driving (or riding in) new cars? They are made almost entirely by robots with little human intervention. Aren't you afraid a hacker will break-in and program them to make incorrect wields make and the car unsafe? Where do these imaginary fears end?
My God, no one said anything of the kind. No one.. Absolutely NO ONE.
So no one think driverless cars and pilot-less planes will not save lives, money and time?
It might do all those things. It also might not. I figure whatever study comes out on this, multiply it by 3 on the cost and at least by 2.5 on the timing when it will be ready to go. For these things to happen, you need it done in mass to get the costs down. When is that tipping point? etc, etc. Sure, theoretically all these things might happen, we could even argue they are likely to happen. Question to me is when? I think the horizon is way farther out than you have it.