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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: muwarrior69 on April 01, 2015, 07:46:29 AM
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http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/27/news/companies/pilotless-passenger-planes/index.html
It just might be a generational thing for me, but I would feel better if there were a pilot.
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There are several jokes for this one, but it may be too soon. On a serious note, autonomous cars are coming, too.
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No thanks. I could see the soviets intercepting controls and nose diving me into the Rocky Mountains.
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If you didn't see into the cockpit would you know the difference?
I wouldn't care, as long as I get to where I'm going on time and at a reasonable price....deal me in.
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There are several jokes for this one, but it may be too soon. On a serious note, autonomous cars are coming, too.
A huge change is coming to our economy.
Currently we have 4.5 million jobs loosely titled "driver" That is cabbies, truck drivers, pilots, forklifts, loaders, etc. "Driver" is the largest job title in the United States.
The technology is almost there now to automate these jobs, maybe 3 to 5 years away. What will drive the change to "driverless" is insurance rates. 20 years from now if you want to buy a car you drive, in a world of driverless cars, your insurance rate could run several thousand dollars. Driverless insurance rates could run a few hundred dollars. This is what will push the change to driverless.
In the future, push a button on your phone and within two minutes a driverless car shows up and takes you where you want to go. And if you add up the cost of these hundreds and hundreds of driverless car rides, it will total far less than what you pay now to own your "driver car."
Question, what happens to the 4.5 million people that have "driver jobs?" Elimination of those jobs cannot be stopped, they are going away. But what happens when this low barrier to entry largely unskilled job disappears?
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Let me head off the typical question about driverless cars. Right now human drivers kill 40,000 and injury 400,000 a year. Driverless cars do not have to be perfect. They will still kill and injury. They will just do it at a far lower rate than humans. And when people realize human drivers on the road with driverless cars makes everything worse, insurance rates for human drivers skyrockets forcing the change.
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Better question would be how many y'all would get in a plane with keefe shoutin' the buggy?
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I'd happily fly on a pilotless plane today. Give me a chance to try out my mad Flight Sim skillz in real life.
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Better question would be how many y'all would get in a plane with keefe shoutin' the buggy?
That's what I thought this thread was going to be about from the cut off subject preview.
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There are several jokes for this one, but it may be too soon. On a serious note, autonomous cars are coming, too.
With GM being one of the builders, I'm running for the hills.
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A huge change is coming to our economy.
Currently we have 4.5 million jobs loosely titled "driver" That is cabbies, truck drivers, pilots, forklifts, loaders, etc. "Driver" is the largest job title in the United States.
The technology is almost there now to automate these jobs, maybe 3 to 5 years away. What will drive the change to "driverless" is insurance rates. 20 years from now if you want to buy a car you drive, in a world of driverless cars, your insurance rate could run several thousand dollars. Driverless insurance rates could run a few hundred dollars. This is what will push the change to driverless.
In the future, push a button on your phone and within two minutes a driverless car shows up and takes you where you want to go. And if you add up the cost of these hundreds and hundreds of driverless car rides, it will total far less than what you pay now to own your "driver car."
Question, what happens to the 4.5 million people that have "driver jobs?" Elimination of those jobs cannot be stopped, they are going away. But what happens when this low barrier to entry largely unskilled job disappears?
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Let me head off the typical question about driverless cars. Right now human drivers kill 40,000 and injury 400,000 a year. Driverless cars do not have to be perfect. They will still kill and injury. They will just do it at a far lower rate than humans. And when people realize human drivers on the road with driverless cars makes everything worse, insurance rates for human drivers skyrockets forcing the change.
I think you are highly optimistic to say 3 to 5 years away. Just wait until the first few massive accidents that happen, the huge drop in confidence by the public, the lawsuits, etc. The cost of these cars is going to be insane. Remember the predictions of electric cars by 2015, and the number is a fraction of what was predicted....laughably off track. One reason is cost and adoption rates are based on cost. It was one thing for the gov't to subsidize electric cars and scream it helps the environment (without ever disclosing the batteries are destructive as hell for the enviornment), but it will be politically challenging for the gov't to subsidize driverless cars when it takes the lowest skilled workers out of te loop. Sure, it will add high tech jobs, repairmen, etc, but that's a tough one politically.
Personally, I'm a very good driver. Yes, there some really poor drivers out there that I'd love to get off the road. I do think eventually accidents would be reduced as you claim, but I also believe there is a sense of freedom with driving that will be difficult to overcome. Also think your time horizon is too optimistic.
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A huge change is coming to our economy.
Currently we have 4.5 million jobs loosely titled "driver" That is cabbies, truck drivers, pilots, forklifts, loaders, etc. "Driver" is the largest job title in the United States.
Let's get rid of the Warthog drivers first! ;)
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I think you are highly optimistic to say 3 to 5 years away. Just wait until the first few massive accidents that happen, the huge drop in confidence by the public, the lawsuits, etc. The cost of these cars is going to be insane. Remember the predictions of electric cars by 2015, and the number is a fraction of what was predicted....laughably off track. One reason is cost and adoption rates are based on cost. It was one thing for the gov't to subsidize electric cars and scream it helps the environment (without ever disclosing the batteries are destructive as hell for the enviornment), but it will be politically challenging for the gov't to subsidize driverless cars when it takes the lowest skilled workers out of te loop. Sure, it will add high tech jobs, repairmen, etc, but that's a tough one politically.
Personally, I'm a very good driver. Yes, there some really poor drivers out there that I'd love to get off the road. I do think eventually accidents would be reduced as you claim, but I also believe there is a sense of freedom with driving that will be difficult to overcome. Also think your time horizon is too optimistic.
Actually the technology exists now. I said three to five years to be conservative. Adoption and application is another story.
The driverless car argument is their is nothing but death and carnage on the roads now. Yes, it will not be perfect, but it will be better than sleepy tractor trailer drivers and distracted parents that number in the tens of thousands now.
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As a Harley rider I would welcome driverless cars, probably a lot safer than riding with the idiot cagers that are out there now.
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As a Harley rider I would welcome driverless cars, probably a lot safer than riding with the idiot cagers that are out there now.
As a car driver, I would welcome driverless Harleys, probably a lot safer than riding with those idiot motorcyclists that are out there now.
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As a car driver, I would welcome driverless Harleys, probably a lot safer than riding with those idiot motorcyclists that are out there now.
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As a car driver, I would welcome driverless Harleys, probably a lot safer than riding with those idiot motorcyclists that are out there now.
Amen. The jokers that thread the needle out here in California zipping in between cars going 65 to 75. The number of people they have to scoop brains up with a ladel is sad. I say this as a motorcycle enthusiast.
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Actually the technology exists now. I said three to five years to be conservative. Adoption and application is another story.
The driverless car argument is their is nothing but death and carnage on the roads now. Yes, it will not be perfect, but it will be better than sleepy tractor trailer drivers and distracted parents that number in the tens of thousands now.
The technology exists at still a very early stage. The point is that application and adoption is all that really matters. It will be a long long long long long time before this is anywhere near happening to any degree that it matters.
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^ California is the only state where lane splitting is legal although most other countries allow it
but if you're not posting about lane splitting, we refer to those riders as "organ donors", usually under-experienced riders on crotch rockets
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Amen. The jokers that thread the needle out here in California zipping in between cars going 65 to 75. The number of people they have to scoop brains up with a ladel is sad. I say this as a motorcycle enthusiast.
Yeah my first experience driving in SoCal was eye opening with those motorcyclists driving between lanes to split traffic while traffic was going 75 as it was...just plain stupid.
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^ California is the only state where lane splitting is legal although most other countries allow it
but if you're not posting about lane splitting, we refer to those riders as "organ donors", usually under-experienced riders on crotch rockets
It's really scary. My morning drive each day I can't tell you how many times my breath is taken away by some guy out of nowhere that blows by me in between my truck and some guy to my right. Almost all of them these days have Go Pros on their helmets, I assume to record their demise or for a lawsuit claim.
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I've got stories about cleaning up after inexperienced crotch-rocket riders, I've got stories about cleaning up after helmetless crashes, I've got stories about stories about a (IIRC) Harley rider getting hit from the side and having his leg getting caught in the chain drive, I've got stories about underaged moped riders. Of course, I also have multiple drunk driving clean up stories, old people getting the gas and brake pedals confused. I will never say I've seen it all, but I've seen a lot.
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Ugh, motorcycles scare the crap out of me too. In terms of planes though, I don't like taking them with pilots let alone without.
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I think you are highly optimistic to say 3 to 5 years away. Just wait until the first few massive accidents that happen, the huge drop in confidence by the public, the lawsuits, etc. The cost of these cars is going to be insane. Remember the predictions of electric cars by 2015, and the number is a fraction of what was predicted....laughably off track. One reason is cost and adoption rates are based on cost. It was one thing for the gov't to subsidize electric cars and scream it helps the environment (without ever disclosing the batteries are destructive as hell for the enviornment), but it will be politically challenging for the gov't to subsidize driverless cars when it takes the lowest skilled workers out of te loop. Sure, it will add high tech jobs, repairmen, etc, but that's a tough one politically.
Personally, I'm a very good driver. Yes, there some really poor drivers out there that I'd love to get off the road. I do think eventually accidents would be reduced as you claim, but I also believe there is a sense of freedom with driving that will be difficult to overcome. Also think your time horizon is too optimistic.
I'm sure it is true, but did you ever notice how few people think that they are bad drivers. Everyone thinks they are above average as far as driving. The guy that cruises by 20 miles faster than traffic or swerving in and out of traffic, usually think they are somehow superior drivers with superior skills and reflexes. Not calling you out, just meant as a general comment.
Anyway, the 3 to 5 year time line is very optimistic on self driving cars. Sure, these cars that help one drive are available now, but isn't the average age of cars on the road around 10 years old?
I buy a car about every 10 years and I'm due to 4 or 5 years. I for one plan on it being a car with "auto pilot" purely for safety reasons. Not self driving at least not in cities. It won't be common place by then. I'm hoping Tesla is still around and has proven to be a reliable car by then.
But, the adoption, despite insurance rates, will be slow. In 10 years there will be a lot of "auto pilot" type of cars but they will still share the road with as many driver cars. In 20 years it will be different.
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I would prefer planes without pilots.
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We have planes that can fly themselves now, Take off, cruise, and land on autopilot. In fact, pilots are required to turn off the autopilot so they do not get rusty.
Their are auto-driving cars right now all over CA. Yes they have a driver in the front seat to grab control if they go awry. But they generally do a good job by themselves.
Audi had a car drive itself (again with a driver in the front seat) from a casino in vegas to the staples center in LA. It did it without intervention.
And no they are not horribly expense. The electric versions are horribly expense. The gas version as not that much more. Right now they are less to buy then buy the car and hire a human driver to drive it.
So the technology is there now. Now turning them loose on the public and/or gaining acceptance is another story. I agree their will be some hesitation at first. By they will catch on.
It will happen. Question is when, not if.
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Who are you people that are afraid of motorcycles?!? Have you never stuffed a quarter into Spy Hunter?
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This technology has been deployed in military aviation since the '70's. Both the USAF and USN have been launching, maneuvering, and recovering operational aircraft remotely for more than 40 years. And I'm not talking about UAVs (which are flown over A Stan by guys sitting in NV and VA) but operational fixed wing platforms - F 4s, F 14s, F 15s, F 16s, F/A 18s, A 10s, EA 6Bs, etc...
The Navy can actually recover aircraft on board a carrier from the deck through ACLS (Automated Carrier Landing System.) Damned impressive system.
The fact is that manned flight will continue because pilots are risk management if not a confidence building measure.
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Better question would be how many y'all would get in a plane with keefe shoutin' the buggy?
Same folks who strap into your seat, Doc, ain a?
*what's with the ain a auto correct??
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CNBC is doing a story right now ... Delphi automotive modified a Audi that just finished driving itself from the Golden Gate bridge to Manhattan for the New York Auto show. It covered 15 states and took 8 days. It arrived earlier this morning.
They joked that the car was programmed to obey the speed limit and it seemed it was the slowest car on the road.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/xGyKBFCd_u4
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I haven't flown in awhile, but when I did it was not the pilots that concerned me. I would just say a little prayer that the air traffic controller was at his A game that day. If or when we go pilotless would this put more pressure on the ATC guys?
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FYI, they've had autoland systems since 1968 but due to politics and poor planning by Boeing, they aren't fully utilized. The plane with guidance from the ILS will land itself, even controlling the power settings on the engines. Not many ICAO Cat III systems in place but it's proven technology, really no different than a pilotless aircraft.
Drone aircraft would also eliminate pilots' loss of situational awareness and vertigo when they are flying IFR (I Follow Roads ;)). Fair number of crashes have happened simply because pilots weren't good at flying on instruments or couldn't make sense of instrument mismatch without a visual reference.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/xGyKBFCd_u4
Beat me to it.
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The fact is that manned flight will continue because pilots are risk management if not a confidence building measure.
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Drone aircraft would also eliminate pilots' loss of situational awareness and vertigo when they are flying IFR (I Follow Roads ;)). Fair number of crashes have happened simply because pilots weren't good at flying on instruments or couldn't make sense of instrument mismatch without a visual reference.
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He's learning
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Q: What's the difference between God and a Naval Aviator?
A: God doesn't think He's a Naval Aviator
Q: What's the difference between a large Pepperoni Pizza and a Naval Aviator?
A: A large Pepperoni Pizza can feed a family of four
Naval Aviator Rules of Flight: Flaring on short final is like squatting to pee
Naval Aviator Rules of Flight: Altitude, Airspeed, and Brains - Only two are required for fight
The Five Last Words of Naval Aviation:
1. What the hell was that?
2. What is this for?
3. Where the hell am I?
4. Watch this!
5. Oh, f uck!
Naval Aviator Rules of Flight: It is unwise to eject over landmass you have just bombed
Chapter One of Navy Flight Training: Push the stick forward and the houses get bigger. Pull the stick back and the houses get smaller. Keep pulling the stick back and the houses get bigger again.
Naval Aviator Facts of Life: The three best things in life are (1) A good landing; (2) A fantastic orgasm; (3) A satisfying Bowel Movement. A Night Carrier Landing on a moonless night in Sea State 5+ provides the rare instance of enjoying all three simultaneously.
A two ship of F 18s was flying CAP over the Pacific when Airborne Control suddenly called out, "MiGs inbound at 6 o'clock!" The Naval Aviator calmly replied, "Don't worry! It's only 5:20!"
Q: What does it mean when the F 18 driver is drooling out of both sides of his mouth?
A: He's flying straight and level
The Only 4 Things a Good Warthog Wingman is ever allowed to say:
1. "Two"
2. "Two is Bingo Fuel"
3. "Lead is on fire"
4. "I'll take the fat one"
Q: What's the difference between a porcupine and an F 18 squadron?
A: With the rodent the pricks are on the outside
The F 18 Pilot Goes to Hades
Another F 18 pilot loses his Situational Awareness and buys the farm. He ends up in Hell where Satan greets him warmly. The Devil explains that Naval Aviators are given their choice of accommodation in the Infernal Ready Room. The Prince of Darkness asks the FA 18 Driver to wait in the foyer while he gets some brochures.
The Navy puke is unable to control himself and he begins peeking into the rooms off the foyer. In the first he sees other F 18 aviators strapped into cockpits going through an eternal pre-flight checklist. He shudders and closes the door quickly.
Inside the second room are dozens of Naval Aviators strapped into sims going through an unending series of sphincter-puckering Emergency Procedures. He gasps in horror as beads of sweat dot his brow and he slams shut the door.
In the third room he sees a toga-clad Naval Aviator lying in repose, surrounded by dozens of gorgeous naked women who are engaged in feeding him grapes, pouring him wine and performing all manner of unspeakable acts on his corpulent body. The Rhino Driver lets out a long sigh and knows he has found his eternal home.
As Lucifer returns our hero announces his decision - he wants to make Room #3 his last Ready Room. At this the Son of Perdition begins to laugh hysterically, informing the Naval Aviator that Room #3 is the preserve of Wicked Beautiful Women...
Naval Aviator Wine Pairing
The F 18 pilot finally musters up the courage to ask the young woman out and, to his shock, she actually accepts.
On the appointed day he takes her for a picnic in the country. As pulls him in for a kiss he reaches down for his wine glass and splashes red wine over her puckered lips. When she asks why he did this he explains he was taught at the Naval Academy to pair red meat with red wine.
As she opens up her blouse he again reaches down and splashes white wine over her creamy breasts. Again he explains that he learned at the Naval Academy to pair white wine with white meat.
Finally, as she ease off her panties he throws cognac across her private parts and then lights it with his zippo. As she screams in horror he explains that Naval Aviators can only go down in flames!
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Yes, I would fly on a pilotless plane. Yes, I would ride in a self-driving car. Yes, I would drive on a road with self-driving cars.
At first, several people will have to bite the bullet and buy self-driving cars on their own and it won't be feasible, financially, for many people. However, once enough of them get on the road, and insurance companies realize how much cheaper it is to insure self-driving, then that will be the catalyst for the change across the board. No one is going to pay 10x more in premiums to drive their own car, even if they have to make an investment in a new car.
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Yes, I would fly on a pilotless plane. Yes, I would ride in a self-driving car. Yes, I would drive on a road with self-driving cars.
At first, several people will have to bite the bullet and buy self-driving cars on their own and it won't be feasible, financially, for many people. However, once enough of them get on the road, and insurance companies realize how much cheaper it is to insure self-driving, then that will be the catalyst for the change across the board. No one is going to pay 10x more in premiums to drive their own car, even if they have to make an investment in a new car.
I'm 68 now and as I get older the thought of a self-driving car means that I would not have to give up my independence in old age. I had to hide the keys from dad so he couldn't drive. It was real tough on him. Progress is a good thing.
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Q: How do you know if there is an Air Force pilot at your party?
A: He'll tell you.
Q: What's the difference between an Air Force pilot and a jet engine?
A: A jet engine stops whining when the planes shuts down.
Q: How many Air Force pilots does it take to change a light bulb?
A: One...he just holds the bulb and the world revolves around him.
Q: How do you bury an Air Force pilot?
A: You give him an enema and bury what’s left in a shoe box.
Q: What does an Air Force pilot use for contraception?
A: His personality
Three zoomies are walking through the forest when they come upon a set of tracks.
The first pilot says, "Those are deer tracks."
The second pilot says, "No, those are elk tracks."
The third pilot says, "You're both wrong! Those are moose tracks."
The pilots were still arguing when the train hit them.
A Naval aviator and an Air Force zoomie were getting shaves in a barbershop. As the barbers were reaching for some after-shave to slap on their faces, the General shouts, "Hey, don't put that crap on me! My wife will think I've been in a whorehouse!" Whereupon the Naval Aviator turns to his barber and says, "Go ahead and put it on me, my wife doesn't know what the inside of a whorehouse smells like."
There are glaring language differences between the services that protect our nation. Here is an example:
When the Navy secures a building, they turn out the lights and lock the hatches.
When the Army secures a building, they post sentries and check I.D. card
When the Marines secure a building, they call in air strikes and assault through the objective using fire and close combat.
When the Air Force secures a building, they get a 4 year lease with the option for 4 more years.
The Navy and the Air Force decided to have a canoe race on the Potomac river. Both teams practiced hard and long to reach their peak performance before the race.
On the big day, the Navy won by a mile.
Afterwards, the Air Force team became very discouraged and depressed. The officers of the Air Force team decided that the reason for the crushing defeat had to be found. A "Metrics Team," made up of senior officers was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.
Their conclusion was that the Navy had 8 seamen rowing and 1 officer steering, while the Air Force had 1 airman rowing and 8 officers and NCOs steering.
So the senior officers of the Air Force team hired a consulting company and paid them incredible amounts of money. They advised that too many people were steering the boat and not enough people were rowing.
To prevent losing to the Navy again next year, the Air Force Chief of Staff made historic and sweeping changes: the rowing team's organizational structure was totally realigned to 4 steering officers, 3 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering NCO. They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 airman rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the "Rowing Team Quality Air Force Program," with meetings, dinners, and a three-day pass for the rower. "We must give the rower empowerment and enrichment through this quality program."
The next year the Navy won by 2 miles. Humiliated, the Air Force leadership gave a letter of reprimand to the rower for poor performance, initiated a $4 billion program for development of a new joint-service canoe, blamed the loss on a design defect in the paddles and issued leather rowing jackets to the beleagered steering officers in the hopes they would stay for next year's race.
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Yes, I would fly on a pilotless plane. Yes, I would ride in a self-driving car. Yes, I would drive on a road with self-driving cars.
At first, several people will have to bite the bullet and buy self-driving cars on their own and it won't be feasible, financially, for many people. However, once enough of them get on the road, and insurance companies realize how much cheaper it is to insure self-driving, then that will be the catalyst for the change across the board. No one is going to pay 10x more in premiums to drive their own car, even if they have to make an investment in a new car.
This is the big misconception about self-driving cars. YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO OWN A CAR, ever. Their will be millions of automatic 24 hour taxis (gas or electric, does not matter). One will never be more than two minutes away. Push a button on your cell phone and it shows up. (And yes they will come in all sizes. If you're commuting solo, a small car. Going to Home Depot, request a truck. Large family outing? Request a van. All Never more than 5 minutes away.)
Why is Wall Street valuing Uber at over $40 billion (more than all the taxi companies in the US combined?). Because they have the infrastructure for this. Google maps make it all happen. Now just waiting on eliminating the driver.
What is the biggest reason for traffic congestion in a city? Traffic engineers estimate it is up to 40% of the reason for congestion. Answer, parking. Parking legally, parking illegally, double parking and looking for parking. Driverless taxis eliminate parking (they can go to a quiet side street, out of the way, and wait when idle). Rush hour gets greatly reduced. Travel times go down. Movement becomes easier. Imagine commuting to the airport at 5PM in the rain in 15 minutes.
What I described, which is what Uber, Google and the rest are trying to make happen, is one of the biggest culture changes in US history. The country goes from 100 million cars, most of which are idle most of the day and last an average of 11 years. In this world we have 10 to 30 million taxis constantly working, that last 1 to 3 years. Less cars but more turnover for the car companies.
No more garages, larger yards. No more picking up kids, they push a button in their cell phone (no worries about pedophiles as they are driverless). And all this is a fraction of what it cost to purchases, maintain, insure two family cars.
In fact, no more going to store. Order what you want and the driverless car pulls up behind the store, they load your order and 10 minutes later it pulls up in front of your house. Sit in the back seat and watch TV or connect. Do something productive.
But some like driving. No worries, that will become a recreation. You can go to "driving roads" and rent (or get your own car out of storage) and driver on recreation roads designed for driving. Just like we do with horses now (remember a 100 years ago horses were what cars are now).
Think big, the driverless car changes everything.
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What happens when the taxi shows up covered in filth from Dirty ZFB and the boys last party inside?
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Automated cars can't drive drunk.
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This is the big misconception about self-driving cars. YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO OWN A CAR, ever. Their will be millions of automatic 24 hour taxis (gas or electric, does not matter). One will never be more than two minutes away. Push a button on your cell phone and it shows up. (And yes they will come in all sizes. If you're commuting solo, a small car. Going to Home Depot, request a truck. Large family outing? Request a van. All Never more than 5 minutes away.)
Why is Wall Street valuing Uber at over $40 billion (more than all the taxi companies in the US combined?). Because they have the infrastructure for this. Google maps make it all happen. Now just waiting on eliminating the driver.
What is the biggest reason for traffic congestion in a city? Traffic engineers estimate it is up to 40% of the reason for congestion. Answer, parking. Parking legally, parking illegally, double parking and looking for parking. Driverless taxis eliminate parking (they can go to a quiet side street, out of the way, and wait when idle). Rush hour gets greatly reduced. Travel times go down. Movement becomes easier. Imagine commuting to the airport at 5PM in the rain in 15 minutes.
What I described, which is what Uber, Google and the rest are trying to make happen, is one of the biggest culture changes in US history. The country goes from 100 million cars, most of which are idle most of the day and last an average of 11 years. In this world we have 10 to 30 million taxis constantly working, that last 1 to 3 years. Less cars but more turnover for the car companies.
No more garages, larger yards. No more picking up kids, they push a button in their cell phone (no worries about pedophiles as they are driverless). And all this is a fraction of what it cost to purchases, maintain, insure two family cars.
In fact, no more going to store. Order what you want and the driverless car pulls up behind the store, they load your order and 10 minutes later it pulls up in front of your house. Sit in the back seat and watch TV or connect. Do something productive.
But some like driving. No worries, that will become a recreation. You can go to "driving roads" and rent (or get your own car out of storage) and driver on recreation roads designed for driving. Just like we do with horses now (remember a 100 years ago horses were what cars are now).
Think big, the driverless car changes everything.
Better yet what happens when all the municipal and state cops can't write traffic tickets anymore and all the lawyers that do DUIs and DWIs are out of work because they are a thing of the past. Will we need a state identity card because we longer need driver licenses. Look at all the money the state will lose because we no longer have to pay a registration fee. If we do get in an accident who pays injury costs. Can the passengers sue the driverless driver? A lot of consequences with the driverless car.
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What happens when the taxi shows up covered in filth from Dirty ZFB and the boys last party inside?
Push a button on your phone and another one will come in 2 minutes.
And that dirty taxi will follow five feet behind ZFB for the rest of his life or until he cleans it with his tooth brush!!
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Better yet what happens when all the municipal and state cops can't write traffic tickets anymore and all the lawyers that do DUIs and DWIs are out of work because they are a thing of the past. Will we need a state identity card because we longer need driver licenses. Look at all the money the state will lose because we no longer have to pay a registration fee. If we do get in an accident who pays injury costs. Can the passengers sue the driverless driver? A lot of consequences with the driverless car.
Absolutely! This is a very disruptive technology.
Uber has destroyed the taxi business. The internet has destroyed newspapers.
What you describe is the next in line for the new disruptive technologies coming.
Before this is over, everyone's industry will be affected.
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The Brand New Naval Aviator
The young Lt jg, sporting shiny new gold wings on his chest, was sitting at his desk at the F 18 RAG when a sailor knocked on the door. Feeling quite satisfied with himself the Naval Aviator quickly picked up the phone, told the sailor to enter, then said into the phone, "Yes, Admiral, I'll be seeing him this afternoon and I'll pass along your message. In the meantime, thank you for your good wishes, sir." Feeling as though he had sufficiently impressed the young enlisted man, he asked, "What do you want?"
"Nothing important, sir," the sailor replied, "just here to hook up your telephone."
The Barber Shop
A Warthog Driver finds a barber shop near the base and goes inside for a haircut. After getting a nice high and tight, the muscular, handsome A 10 pilot asks the cost.
"No charge, sir" replies the barber, "Your dedication and sacrifice in the service of our nation is payment enough."
The next day, as he opens shop, the barber finds a squadron T-shirt, A 10 coffee mug, and a thank-you note left by the Warthog Driver. Later that day, a Viper Driver comes in and asks the barber to take a little bit off the sides. When the haircut was complete and the chiseled, good looking F 16 flier reached for his wallet, the barber again says:
"No charge, sir. Your dedication and sacrifice in the service of our nation is payment enough."
The next day, as he opens shop, he is pleased to find an Air Force hat and a squadron coin by the door, with a thank-you note. Later that day, a double chinned, rotund Naval Aviator comes in, asking if the barber can do something to cover his bald spot. The barber obliges, and when it comes time to pay, he again says:
"No charge, sir. Your dedication and sacrifice in the service of our nation is payment enough."
The barber comes to work the next day and finds on his doorstep ... three more chubby, balding Naval Aviators.
The Navy Bomber Pilot
There was a Naval Aviator named CDR Neversail who flew B 24s during the Great Pacific War. One day, while flying over Guadalcanal, the tail gunner spotted two Zeros rolling in hot. As the Navy crew became frantic CDR Neversail calmly ordered the FE to bring him his red shirt.
The FE quickly got the red shirt to the Skipper who put it on and turned toward the fighters to give his gunners a better field of fire. His crew shot down the enemy planes and went on to lead the formation on a successful bombing run.
That evening, all the men sat around the hangar recounting the earlier triumph. One of them asked the CDR, "Sir, why did you call for your red shirt before battle?"
The CDR replied, "If I were to be wounded in the attack, the shirt would not show my blood. Thus, you men would continue to fight, unafraid." All of the men sat and marveled at the courage of such a manly man's man.
The next day, they took off for a mission deeper into the heart of the Solomons. Once again, the top gunner spotted an entire squadron of Japanese fighters above them, while the belly gunner saw another squadron below.
The crew stared in worshipful silence at the CDR and waited for his usual orders.
CDR Neversail gazed with steely eyes upon the vast horde arrayed against his craft, and without fear, turned and calmly said, "Get me my brown pants."
The Rhino Driver
A Naval Aviator - dressed to impress in his all white Good Humor outfit - went to a bar and ordered a drink. As he sat there sipping his whiskey, a young lady sat down next to him. After she ordered her drink she turned to the LT and asked him, "Are you a real fighter pilot?"
To which he replied, "Well, I fly F-18s every single day of the week, so I guess I am."
After a short while he asked her what she was. She replied, "I am a lesbian. I spend my whole day thinking about women. I get up in the morning thinking of women, when I eat, shower, watch TV - everything makes me think of women."
A short while later she left, and the Naval Aviator ordered another drink. A couple sat down next to him and asked, "Are you a real fighter pilot?"
"I always thought I was," he answered, "but I just found out that I'm a lesbian."
Beach Wrecked Naval Aviator
A Naval Aviator punched out of his F 18 and wound up on a deserted island. After 12 years of being alone a beautiful woman emerged from the surf.
"How long have you been here?" She asked.
"12 long, lonely, agonizing years," the Rhino Driver replied.
"When is the last time you had a cigar?"
"12 Years," he stammered. She opened a pocket and gave him a Cohiba. The fighter pilot took it greedily and puffed in delight.
"When was the last time you had a drink?," the maiden asked.
"12 Years." She opens another pocket and pulls out a bottle of Oban. The Navy man drank the whole bottle in one gulp.
"When was the last time you played around?," the lady asked with a gleam in her eye.
"12 years," the deprived pilot replied. The women started to unzip the front of her wetsuit.
"You gotta be sh1tting me!!!!!!!!," screamed the F 18 Driver. "YOU GOT GOLF CLUBS IN THERE!!!!???"
Change
Naval Aviator: "Sailor, do you have change for a dollar?"
Sailor: "Sure, buddy."
Naval Aviator: "That's no way to address an officer! Now let's try it again!"
Naval Aviator: " Sailor. Do you have change for a dollar?"
Sailor: "No, SIR!"
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Uber has destroyed the taxi business.
The taxi business destroyed themselves. And the world is better for it
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The taxi business destroyed themselves. And the world is better for it
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Absolutely! This is a very disruptive technology.
Uber has destroyed the taxi business. The internet has destroyed newspapers.
What you describe is the next in line for the new disruptive technologies coming.
Before this is over, everyone's industry will be affected.
I've been using Uber for several years....it has not DESTROYED the taxi business. No doubt it has put them on their heels, but it hasn't destroyed them....yet. Try getting Uber from a major airport...you can't. Newspapers have adapted, just as other industries will.
So in this world of driverless cars that are going to shoot around and drive people everywhere, you're still going to have tremendous spike issues. When everyone needs a ride home from work, all those cars are needed....during the day what are they doing when demand is down? Or is everyone telecommuting? What about rural areas where it will be financially upside down to have a service like this, much like it is financially upside down today to deliver internet and other services to rural areas? What's going to happen on the crime side...are we going to have gangs just hunkered in the back blasting away now and not having to worry about the driver getting shot.....happens here in LA all too often....I'm looking forward to the Crips and Bloods and the Mexican driverless cars...should be fun.
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I've been using Uber for several years....it has not DESTROYED the taxi business. No doubt it has put them on their heels, but it hasn't destroyed them....yet. Try getting Uber from a major airport...you can't. Newspapers have adapted, just as other industries will.
So in this world of driverless cars that are going to shoot around and drive people everywhere, you're still going to have tremendous spike issues. When everyone needs a ride home from work, all those cars are needed....during the day what are they doing when demand is down? Or is everyone telecommuting? What about rural areas where it will be financially upside down to have a service like this, much like it is financially upside down today to deliver internet and other services to rural areas? What's going to happen on the crime side...are we going to have gangs just hunkered in the back blasting away now and not having to worry about the driver getting shot.....happens here in LA all too often....I'm looking forward to the Crips and Bloods and the Mexican driverless cars...should be fun.
Oh yes the taxi business has been destroyed. In Chicago a taxi medallion is essentially worth zero. That is nearly the case in NYC too. The reason you cannot get Uber at the airport is their are banned by local governments from operating at the airport.
And Uber is a good example to answer the second half of your post. Uber just had its fourth (yes, fourth) anniversary a few weeks ago. Look how far they have come in just four years. I explained the END of the process. Yes their will be cultural resistance to getting there. Things will have to change. It will take time. Driverless and driver will at first exist side-by-side. Drivers will continue to muck things up by making mistakes making people not like them and prefer driverless. We used to have telephone and elevator operators, the were automated away too. It took time but it happened.
A hundred years ago the same thing was said about the gasoline car and why the horse would never go away ... No infrastructure in the rural areas (no gas stations). And when forward thinkers imagined the rise of the cities and commuting because of "horseless carriages " people scoffed. LA was invented. "Driverless carriages" will do the same to culture and living styles.
Spikes because of rush hour? Two things.
First things move a lot faster because of the efficiencies in driverless and all connected and figuring routes out via algorithm when you know what all the other cars are doing. So when it's raining at 5pm and you get in the back of a driverless car, you will be complaining that you're only doing 70 on the 405 (no speed limits on highways in a fully driverless world).
Driverless also means driverless trains, busses, taxi pools. Driverless ups and fedex trucks means cheaper and far more efficient deliveries. How much driving is chores you'd rather not do? Getting groceries, going to the store knowing exactly what you need. It's a waste of time and resources. Order it and it arrives in 10 minutes via driverless delivery.
Again my larger point is driverless is as relovoutionary as the Internet itself. Did you miss the opportunity to be a zillionaire in the early stages of the Internet because you did not "get it." You have another opportunity with driverless.
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Haha, those navy and air force aviator jokes made me laugh. My grandfather was a pilot in the Navy in WW2. The big joke with the MU ROTC kids is that the Navy actually has better planes than the air force.
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I've been using Uber for several years....it has not DESTROYED the taxi business. No doubt it has put them on their heels, but it hasn't destroyed them....yet. Try getting Uber from a major airport...you can't. Newspapers have adapted, just as other industries will.
So in this world of driverless cars that are going to shoot around and drive people everywhere, you're still going to have tremendous spike issues. When everyone needs a ride home from work, all those cars are needed....during the day what are they doing when demand is down? Or is everyone telecommuting? What about rural areas where it will be financially upside down to have a service like this, much like it is financially upside down today to deliver internet and other services to rural areas? What's going to happen on the crime side...are we going to have gangs just hunkered in the back blasting away now and not having to worry about the driver getting shot.....happens here in LA all too often....I'm looking forward to the Crips and Bloods and the Mexican driverless cars...should be fun.
I agree with Chico's.
I'm not in favor of minorities and gangs getting driverless cars. Way too much at stake.
Just another example of millennials ruining this country.
(shakes fist)
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I agree with Chico's.
I'm not in favor of minorities and gangs getting driverless cars. Way too much at stake.
Just another example of millennials ruining this country.
(shakes fist)
Are you just going to leave all those children on your lawn unyelled at?
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So what happens when the pilotless plane is hacked by someone and flown into the ground, building, etc? Presumable these vehicles need to be connected on a network of some kind to get commands to dispatch, etc.
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So what happens when the pilotless plane is hacked by someone and flown into the ground, building, etc? Presumable these vehicles need to be connected on a network of some kind to get commands to dispatch, etc.
In February 60 minutes did an entire segment on how hackers can get into you car now, reprogram it and take control making you powerless
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/car-hacked-on-60-minutes/
One of the vulnerabilities Kaufman and DARPA are working to eliminate that affects many is in the automobile. Cars today are loaded with computers networked to each other, and those can be hacked remotely. In a dramatic demonstration, he and his colleagues use a laptop computer to hack into a car being driven by Stahl. Much to her surprise, they were able to take control of many of the car's functions, including the braking and acceleration.
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Was this one of Steve Kroft's segments? Kinda a hanky panky thing goin' on , hey?
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I agree with Chico's.
I'm not in favor of minorities and gangs getting driverless cars. Way too much at stake.
Just another example of millennials ruining this country.
(shakes fist)
I'm in favor of illegals getting into driverless cars since they shouldn't be driving today.
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In February 60 minutes did an entire segment on how hackers can get into you car now, reprogram it and take control making you powerless
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/car-hacked-on-60-minutes/
One of the vulnerabilities Kaufman and DARPA are working to eliminate that affects many is in the automobile. Cars today are loaded with computers networked to each other, and those can be hacked remotely. In a dramatic demonstration, he and his colleagues use a laptop computer to hack into a car being driven by Stahl. Much to her surprise, they were able to take control of many of the car's functions, including the braking and acceleration.
Yes, I saw it. Thing is, taking over a car is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Take over a few airplanes all on the same day in a coordinated attack because they are all on the same network...now that can cause some problems.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougnewcomb/2015/02/09/60-minutes-joins-car-hacking-hype/
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Yes, I saw it. Thing is, taking over a car is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Take over a few airplanes all on the same day in a coordinated attack because they are all on the same network...now that can cause some problems.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougnewcomb/2015/02/09/60-minutes-joins-car-hacking-hype/
If we are going to worry about hacking, getting a few planes is small potatoes as well.
Hack the Federal Reserve payment system (aka Fed Wire), once in you can create thousands of erroneous transactions between banks rendering the entire Global banking system insolvent. The stock market crashes and all ATM are closed until further notice. It's worse in other countries.
That does not kill people. Ok, hack into the nations power grid. Once in shut down electricity for large parts of the country and meltdown a few nuclear power plants to boot.
Point is if you're going to worry about hacking into networks, they are far more important networks that exist right now that could destroy the west in a day.
If this doesn't keep you up at night, then don't worry about a network of driverless cars or pilotless planes.
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Oh yes the taxi business has been destroyed. In Chicago a taxi medallion is essentially worth zero. That is nearly the case in NYC too. The reason you cannot get Uber at the airport is their are banned by local governments from operating at the airport.
And Uber is a good example to answer the second half of your post. Uber just had its fourth (yes, fourth) anniversary a few weeks ago. Look how far they have come in just four years. I explained the END of the process. Yes their will be cultural resistance to getting there. Things will have to change. It will take time. Driverless and driver will at first exist side-by-side. Drivers will continue to muck things up by making mistakes making people not like them and prefer driverless. We used to have telephone and elevator operators, the were automated away too. It took time but it happened.
A hundred years ago the same thing was said about the gasoline car and why the horse would never go away ... No infrastructure in the rural areas (no gas stations). And when forward thinkers imagined the rise of the cities and commuting because of "horseless carriages " people scoffed. LA was invented. "Driverless carriages" will do the same to culture and living styles.
Spikes because of rush hour? Two things.
First things move a lot faster because of the efficiencies in driverless and all connected and figuring routes out via algorithm when you know what all the other cars are doing. So when it's raining at 5pm and you get in the back of a driverless car, you will be complaining that you're only doing 70 on the 405 (no speed limits on highways in a fully driverless world).
Driverless also means driverless trains, busses, taxi pools. Driverless ups and fedex trucks means cheaper and far more efficient deliveries. How much driving is chores you'd rather not do? Getting groceries, going to the store knowing exactly what you need. It's a waste of time and resources. Order it and it arrives in 10 minutes via driverless delivery.
Again my larger point is driverless is as relovoutionary as the Internet itself. Did you miss the opportunity to be a zillionaire in the early stages of the Internet because you did not "get it." You have another opportunity with driverless.
It has not been destroyed. Destroyed means gone, done. It is not done. A NY taxi medallion is about $800K right now. Certainly down from the $1M paid last year, but not destroyed. Doesn't mean it won't be destroyed in the future, but it's like your video claim last year. You tend to get way ahead of yourself.
I remember the internet bubble bursting because of the fake values created. I sense a lot of that going on as well. It is going to be many, many, many years for this to take off. Too costly, too large a footprint. Uber is a great example of a company totally overvalued at the moment.
The irony of you using driverless trains...yes, we see that for short haul trams from airport terminal to terminal, but we don't see it by and large for true passenger and freight trains. Why? I mean, talk about an easy one...no turns involved, you stay on the tracks, you depart at specific times, if ever there was a layup for this stuff it is those trains, yet so many do not go with that technology and there is a reason.
Finally, yes airports won't allow Uber because of the municipal bans. Exactly correct. The taxi companies, whom I have absolutely no love for and I use Uber often, are controlling some of that. I have no doubt you are going to see the heavy hand of gov't regulation for Lyft, Sidecar, Uber, etc coming soon, too. Gov't wants their money and they will get it one way or another.
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It has not been destroyed. Destroyed means gone, done. It is not done. A NY taxi medallion is about $800K right now. Certainly down from the $1M paid last year, but not destroyed. Doesn't mean it won't be destroyed in the future, but it's like your video claim last year. You tend to get way ahead of yourself.
A NYC taxi medallion traded for $550k earlier this week
http://nycitycab.com/Business/TaxiMedallionList.aspx
And their is accusations that the taxi and limo commission is lying about medallion prices on their website
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/12/01/new_york_taxi_medallions_did_tlc_transaction_data_inflate_the_price_of_driving.html
And the Greater New City Taxi association is investigating (they won't find anything because they don't want to know the truth).
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/upshot/taxi-owners-in-new-york-seek-inquiry-on-medallion-prices.html?_r=0
As long as Uber exists, their only value is airport rides (Government controlled monopoly) and hailing, which won't cover costs in the world of Uber competition.
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If we are going to worry about hacking, getting a few planes is small potatoes as well.
Hack the Federal Reserve payment system (aka Fed Wire), once in you can create thousands of erroneous transactions between banks rendering the entire Global banking system insolvent. The stock market crashes and all ATM are closed until further notice. It's worse in other countries.
That does not kill people. Ok, hack into the nations power grid. Once in shut down electricity for large parts of the country and meltdown a few nuclear power plants to boot.
Point is if you're going to worry about hacking into networks, they are far more important networks that exist right now that could destroy the west in a day.
If this doesn't keep you up at night, then don't worry about a network of driverless cars or pilotless planes.
Disagree, hacking a few planes is psychological warfare and screws with the mind like few things can. We are reminded every time we fly when we have to take our shoes off and go through the ordeal. The car hacking you can still pull the emergency break, break a window, jump out a moving car, grab the steering wheel, etc. On a plane, you're screwed and with the amount of fuel and mere size of the vessel, you're talking about a very damaging weapon.
Yes, I agree about the financial stuff....it is very concerning what could be done.
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Disagree, hacking a few planes is psychological warfare and screws with the mind like few things can. We are reminded every time we fly when we have to take our shoes off and go through the ordeal. The car hacking you can still pull the emergency break, break a window, jump out a moving car, grab the steering wheel, etc. On a plane, you're screwed and with the amount of fuel and mere size of the vessel, you're talking about a very damaging weapon.
Yes, I agree about the financial stuff....it is very concerning what could be done.
Agreed. The first time an unmanned commercial aircraft has any sort of malfunction, there will be a line of lawyers waiting to file suit. And they will all win
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A NYC taxi medallion traded for $550k earlier this week
http://nycitycab.com/Business/TaxiMedallionList.aspx
And their is accusations that the taxi and limo commission is lying about medallion prices on their website
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/12/01/new_york_taxi_medallions_did_tlc_transaction_data_inflate_the_price_of_driving.html
And the Greater New City Taxi association is investigating (they won't find anything because they don't want to know the truth).
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/upshot/taxi-owners-in-new-york-seek-inquiry-on-medallion-prices.html?_r=0
As long as Uber exists, their only value is airport rides (Government controlled monopoly) and hailing, which won't cover costs in the world of Uber competition.
When I'm in NYC, I still go with the cabs almost always. Takes 20 seconds to get one, I don't have to wait. LA, always Uber. San Diego...same. I was in Miami in January when Uber had just launched 3 weeks earlier....they didn't have their act together, but the cabs there are horrible so they'll be fine. Denver Uber service 3 weeks ago....not good and I took it twice. Disappointed....hopefully I just had bad luck. So it kind of depends on the city, quality of the workforce, etc.
Again, I'm a fan of Uber, I just find the $40b valuation laughable right now. Plenty of regulation heading their way, however. I'm still amazed when I travel places how few people even know about Uber. When I was in Denver, absolutely no one I was dealing with had ever heard of it which really surprised me. Denver is pretty cutting edge in my opinion...or I was hanging out with the wrong crew.
NYC taxi profits, not impacted. I wouldn't call this destroyed....not yet anyway. http://nypost.com/2015/02/17/uber-does-little-to-hurt-yellow-taxi-profits/
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I agree with much of what has been said by the advocates for driver less cars, except for the time frame.
Yes, the tech is there now and yes someone will have driverless cars on the road within 5 years. But for any significant mass adoption it will take a lot longer.
I think the low hanging fruit will be dealt with first, which means "auto pilot" cars with a driver at the controls and responsible for the vehicle.
It will take 10 to 15 years for the majority of cars on the road to have this feature.
As far as worrying about people loosing jobs because there are less accidents, no worries. Think of all of the money governments will save in paying for hospital bills. I told a personal injury attorney friend of mine to make his money in the next 10 years as accident rates will be going down by then, and will plummet in 20 years. All good.
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I agree with much of what has been said by the advocates for driver less cars, except for the time frame.
Yes, the tech is there now and yes someone will have driverless cars on the road within 5 years. But for any significant mass adoption it will take a lot longer.
I think the low hanging fruit will be dealt with first, which means "auto pilot" cars with a driver at the controls and responsible for the vehicle.
It will take 10 to 15 years for the majority of cars on the road to have this feature.
As far as worrying about people loosing jobs because there are less accidents, no worries. Think of all of the money governments will save in paying for hospital bills. I told a personal injury attorney friend of mine to make his money in the next 10 years as accident rates will be going down by then, and will plummet in 20 years. All good.
Don't disagree with any of this. Tesla has an "auto pilot" cruise control that drives the car right now (on the new P85 version). Think of it as cruise control on steroids. Audi has a version coming next year. BMW in two years.
I guess the rate of adoption depends on how much the public embraces it. The public quickly embraced the Internet and the smart phones and demand them and we got all this at breakneck pace.
Will they view driverless cars as something to be skeptical of or will they view it as the ultimate connivence and lifesaving idea and demand we move to them as fast as possible?
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Who do the shysters sue in da event of an accident? I know, everyone, hey?
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Commercial licensed pilot here. Jet's are all ready largely automated. Landing and takeoff can both be done automated, and around 75% of the time the cruising time is done by the computer. It's a best kept secret by pilots that they largely do not have a job unless something goes wrong.
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So what happens when the pilotless plane is hacked by someone and flown into the ground, building, etc? Presumable these vehicles need to be connected on a network of some kind to get commands to dispatch, etc.
Your computer skills are lacking. If all flight calculations are done on the plane (Which they will be) there will be no network to hack to tell the airplane to fly down.
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Commercial licensed pilot here. Jet's are all ready largely automated. Landing and takeoff can both be done automated, and around 75% of the time the cruising time is done by the computer. It's a best kept secret by pilots that they largely do not have a job unless something goes wrong.
How hard would it be to reprogram a plane to prevent a suicidal co-pilot from intentionally crashing a plane into a mountain?
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How hard would it be to reprogram a plane to prevent a suicidal co-pilot from intentionally crashing a plane into a mountain?
Wouldn't be. The real problem would be between giving the computer the power to override the human, or giving the human the power to override the computer.
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Your computer skills are lacking. If all flight calculations are done on the plane (Which they will be) there will be no network to hack to tell the airplane to fly down.
So in the future these planes will have no connections of ANY KIND to home base, an airport, etc, from a network? Whether it is for clearance to land, to divert to another airport, etc, etc?
I find that hard to believe....there will be some kind of network connection of some kind. the last thing anyone is going to do is not have some kind of failsafe, override mechanism control.
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So in the future these planes will have no connections of ANY KIND to home base, an airport, etc, from a network? Whether it is for clearance to land, to divert to another airport, etc, etc?
I find that hard to believe....there will be some kind of network connection of some kind. the last thing anyone is going to do is not have some kind of failsafe, override mechanism control.
I'm sorry that you might have grew up in an age where computers were not readily available. Let me give you some quick info.
Network - Would give information on other planes, clearances etc
Client - Would control the flight of the craft
These two would not connect in anyway exact for kilobyte's of information of text based documents on coordinates. The only way to hack into a client would be to psychically take over the plane and enter the mainframe of the computer.
Think of it this way, if your computer at home was not connected to the internet sending and receiving data every second, then it would be impossible to be hacked. This is what the client of a plane would do.
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You people are giving waaayyyyyyyy too much credit to the hacking community.
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I'm sorry that you might have grew up in an age where computers were not readily available. Let me give you some quick info.
Network - Would give information on other planes, clearances etc
Client - Would control the flight of the craft
These two would not connect in anyway exact for kilobyte's of information of text based documents on coordinates. The only way to hack into a client would be to psychically take over the plane and enter the mainframe of the computer.
Think of it this way, if your computer at home was not connected to the internet sending and receiving data every second, then it would be impossible to be hacked. This is what the client of a plane would do.
I'm quite aware of client, server, network architecture. I have a server of my own here at home.
My point is that whenever there is a communications path open, that is a vulnerability. You have said that there is information passing between client and server when you say "except for kilobyes of information"....that's all that is needed. You need a gateway, which you admit there is one. I'm not saying it's easy by any stretch, but the vulnerability exists.
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I agree with Chico's.
I'm not in favor of minorities and gangs getting driverless cars. Way too much at stake.
Just another example of millennials ruining this country.
(shakes fist)
1/2 a million in just 3 months....OUTSTANDING. Bravo. Hands clapping
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/news/article17373587.html
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3 weeks in at ATP flight school. This topic is giving me anxiety.
So you're telling me I shouldn't have dumped $70,000 for 6 months of private, instrument, commercial and cfi licenses... Awesome
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3 weeks in at ATP flight school. This topic is giving me anxiety.
So you're telling me I shouldn't have dumped $70,000 for 6 months of private, instrument, commercial and cfi licenses... Awesome
Shoulda gone down to your local recruitin' post and had Uncle Sugar foot the flight trainin' bill...
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3 weeks in at ATP flight school. This topic is giving me anxiety.
So you're telling me I shouldn't have dumped $70,000 for 6 months of private, instrument, commercial and cfi licenses... Awesome
In the alternative, $70,000 would have bought you a 4-year education at UND and all that stuff.
So you're $70,000 poorer but you didn't have to spend 4 years in Grand Forks or in a bunk with Keefe. I think you win.
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1/2 a million in just 3 months....OUTSTANDING. Bravo. Hands clapping
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/news/article17373587.html
Well, I didn't mean for this to be a political issue.
I was just poking fun.
You've got a little "crabby old man" in you.
When talking about automated vehicles, gang drive-bys should be about #7000 on the list of possible concerns, just after #6999: "will it know how to go through the starbucks drive through so I get get my (insert drink with all sorts of ingredients), or can the car just bring me the coffee when it picks me up?"
As far as you and Heisenburg, you're both right. For the most part, technology doesn't wipe out industries. There are still CD's, records, record stores, etc. You can still get a land-line phone. You can still go to a book store.
However, disruptive tech. (wireless phones, mp3s, amazon) certainly change industries and the way consumers go about their day to day lives.
Amazon didn't eliminate book stores, and Uber won't eliminate taxis... but the net effect is pretty obvious.
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3 weeks in at ATP flight school. This topic is giving me anxiety.
So you're telling me I shouldn't have dumped $70,000 for 6 months of private, instrument, commercial and cfi licenses... Awesome
I went private -> Commercial. Then promptly stopped and went into premed, since being an ATP pilot was nothing more then being a glorified bus driver. One that can be replaced by a computer easily.
I'm quite aware of client, server, network architecture. I have a server of my own here at home.
My point is that whenever there is a communications path open, that is a vulnerability. You have said that there is information passing between client and server when you say "except for kilobyes of information"....that's all that is needed. You need a gateway, which you admit there is one. I'm not saying it's easy by any stretch, but the vulnerability exists.
If you have a server at home for anything more then media storage for yourself, your gunna have a bad time with bandwidth.
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I went private -> Commercial. Then promptly stopped and went into premed, since being an ATP pilot was nothing more then being a glorified bus driver. One that can be replaced by a computer easily.
If you have a server at home for anything more then media storage for yourself, your gunna have a bad time with bandwidth.
Be replaced by a computer? Sure computers do 90% of the work in today's airlines, but that's not the point. When crap hits the fan, someone needs to be in the flight deck to handle the situation. I worked in healthcare, it's nothing but a scam.
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Be replaced by a computer? Sure computers do 90% of the work in today's airlines, but that's not the point. When crap hits the fan, someone needs to be in the flight deck to handle the situation. I worked in healthcare, it's nothing but a scam.
Pilot error kills more people than computer error, see France two weeks ago.
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Pilot error kills more people than computer error, see France two weeks ago.
That's anecdotal. Do you have stats to back up your claim?
I honestly have no idea whether you are right or wrong. But that was one incident
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That's anecdotal. Do you have stats to back up your claim?
I honestly have no idea whether you are right or wrong. But that was one incident
Try google.
Took 5 seconds
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm
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Well, I didn't mean for this to be a political issue.
I was just poking fun.
You've got a little "crabby old man" in you.
When talking about automated vehicles, gang drive-bys should be about #7000 on the list of possible concerns, just after #6999: "will it know how to go through the starbucks drive through so I get get my (insert drink with all sorts of ingredients), or can the car just bring me the coffee when it picks me up?"
As far as you and Heisenburg, you're both right. For the most part, technology doesn't wipe out industries. There are still CD's, records, record stores, etc. You can still get a land-line phone. You can still go to a book store.
However, disruptive tech. (wireless phones, mp3s, amazon) certainly change industries and the way consumers go about their day to day lives.
Amazon didn't eliminate book stores, and Uber won't eliminate taxis... but the net effect is pretty obvious.
When it impacts my life directly because of the state I live in....you're daming unnatural carnal knowledgeing right. For all you guys that don't live in the SW, you have no idea.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-04-12/hacking-an-airplane-with-only-an-android-phone
Hacking a plane with only an android phone
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http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/03/22/ground-control-analysts-warn-airplane-communications-systems-vulnerable-to/
and
http://gizmodo.com/researcher-hacks-airplanes-through-in-flight-entertainm-1615780083
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When it impacts my life directly because of the state I live in....you're daming unnatural carnal knowledgeing right. For all you guys that don't live in the SW, you have no idea.
Alright, I'll make you a deal:
You're now in charge of worrying about potential drive by shootings from auto-driving vehicles. Feel free to post every article about it. Post every time it happens. Post every stat, study, etc.
I'm in charge of worrying about the lives saved by reduced drunken driving, reduced reckless driving, reduced falling asleep while driving, reduced old people mixing up the peddles, and reduced texting while driving.
If the drive-bys end up killing more people than we save, I'll sure look like an idiot.
EDIT: grammar.
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Alright, I'll make you a deal:
You're now in charge of worrying about potential drive by shootings from auto-driving vehicles. Feel free to post every article about it. Post every time it happens. Post every stat, study, etc.
I'm in charge of worrying about the lives saved by reduced drunken driving, reduced reckless driving, reduced falling asleep while driving, reduced old people mixing up the peddles, and reduced texting while driving.
If the drive-bys end up killing more people than we save, I'll sure look like an idiot.
EDIT: grammar.
Just to clarify, you're talking about passengers with guns in a self-driving automobile, not a self-driving automobile with a self-firing gun, right?
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Just to clarify, you're talking about passengers with guns in a self-driving automobile, not a self-driving automobile with a self-firing gun, right?
Obviously he needs to keep track of both. Those illegal computers need to be deported to.
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What kind of adoption rate with pilotless planes and driverless car see?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZHU0D4IIAAHTOZ.png:large)
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Alright, I'll make you a deal:
You're now in charge of worrying about potential drive by shootings from auto-driving vehicles. Feel free to post every article about it. Post every time it happens. Post every stat, study, etc.
I'm in charge of worrying about the lives saved by reduced drunken driving, reduced reckless driving, reduced falling asleep while driving, reduced old people mixing up the peddles, and reduced texting while driving.
If the drive-bys end up killing more people than we save, I'll sure look like an idiot.
EDIT: grammar.
No thanks, but I'll continue to worry about illegal aliens being here and the gov't not only ignoring the laws they swore to uphold, but actually rewarding people for breaking those laws.
Such sound policy when we do these types of things.
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No thanks, but I'll continue to worry about illegal aliens being here and the gov't not only ignoring the laws they swore to uphold, but actually rewarding people for breaking those laws.
Such sound policy when we do these types of things.
I apologize. I think my snark in my previous posts has clouded the issue.
I'm not commenting on illegal aliens at all. I'm not well versed on the subject. Any opinions I have would just be wildly speculative with no actual substance. I try not to do that kind of stuff. Feel free to debate politics on the politics page.
What I AM commenting on was your post where you said this:
What's going to happen on the crime side...are we going to have gangs just hunkered in the back blasting away now and not having to worry about the driver getting shot.....happens here in LA all too often....I'm looking forward to the Crips and Bloods and the Mexican driverless cars...should be fun.
Now, forgive me if I'm wrong, but you're expressing this as a concern, and a possible barrier to driveless utopia, correct?
My subsequent posts (and snark) (found here http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=47162.msg718243#msg718243 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=47162.msg718243#msg718243) and here http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=47162.msg719387#msg719387 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=47162.msg719387#msg719387))were merely pointing out that "driverless drive-bys" are going to be such a minor issue compared to all of the lives that are saved by removing the current human mistakes made behind the wheel.
Now, I opening admit that I haven't studied "driverless drive-bys", so maybe I'm an idiot... and that's why I asked you to become the leader on that issue. Feel free to educate me in the coming years about this potential dangerous issue.
Sorry for the confusion.
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What kind of adoption rate with pilotless planes and driverless car see?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZHU0D4IIAAHTOZ.png:large)
I'm surprised.
From a macro level, several of them are really similar... almost the same.
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Yup, planes can't be hacked and flown by someone else. Can't happen.... ::)
http://www.wired.com/2015/05/feds-say-banned-researcher-commandeered-plane/
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I will take my chances on a human pilot going haywire rather than a computer named Hal.
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The technology exists at still a very early stage. The point is that application and adoption is all that really matters. It will be a long long long long long time before this is anywhere near happening to any degree that it matters.
It's not about the technology. It's about creating a legal and regulatory environment in which it is possible, feasible and affordable. Don't look for that to happen in litigious USA for a long time.
Would you let a robot remove your appendix? Same issue.
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It's not about the technology. It's about creating a legal and regulatory environment in which it is possible, feasible and affordable. Don't look for that to happen in litigious USA for a long time.
Would you let a robot remove your appendix? Same issue.
Already happening. Robotic surgery has made huge advances.
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Already happening. Robotic surgery has made huge advances.
Eh.... current robotic surgery hasn't really changed the field of surgery all that much. And, when talking about robotic surgery, there is no "robot" doing anything. It's a human controlling every movement of a machine. The machine can't do a thing on its own.
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I will take my chances on a human pilot going haywire rather than a computer named Hal.
I don't understand this viewpoint - that computers are somehow malevolent boogey-men. Computers, time and time again, have shown to be more efficient, more accurate, more sensitive, faster, etc than humans at nearly every enterprise where they've been introduced.
Let me ask you this... do you own your own company? If so, do you do all your finances with pencil and paper without a calculator? You must, since you wouldn't trust even a calculator to screw something up and bankrupt you or put your livelihood or company in jeopardy.
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Eh.... current robotic surgery hasn't really changed the field of surgery all that much. And, when talking about robotic surgery, there is no "robot" doing anything. It's a human controlling every movement of a machine. The machine can't do a thing on its own.
The biggest problem people have is stationary thinking. They see the world today and cannot envision how it will change, and how that change will change soon.
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You are correct that the surgeon operates the robot today. But make no mistake about it, hundreds of millions are being spent to eliminate the need for the surgeon. We don't have it now but we will soon.
At a minimum the knife in the surgeons hand is about to be a thing of the past, if it is not already. Today's surgeons are looking at monitors in front of a mouse and keyboard. This how they are being trained in medical school right now.
FYI - I'm good friends with the head of robotic surgery at Northwestern University Hospital and he tells me automated robotic surgery is absolutely coming. The problem now is perfecting "micro GPS" of the body (to tolerances much less than one millimeter) and instantaneous correction of this "micro GPS" as the patent moves. This is the major piece missing from automated surgery. Once they get this perfected, automatic surgery will come really fast.
Will it eliminate the need for surgeons? Traditional surgeons, yes. The future of surgery will be a essentially be a programmer telling the robot what to do.
Should you trust a robot?
Like everything else, they will be cheaper, safer and faster.
When the car was invented a hundred years ago, many people refused to give up their horse. But society understood the efficiencies of the motor car, its relative safety (early cars did not go that fast so accident rates were much lower) and the huge heath and lifestyle benefits of getting rid of horse dung on every street. Soon society demanded the elimination of the horse as a primary means of transportation.
Likewise with driverless cars and robot surgeries. Once they realize that driverless cars are cheaper, more efficient and save lives (think version 2.0, 3.0 or 4.0) they will pass paws outlawing "road killers" ... human drivers.
Once they realize that robot surgery is cheaper and safer, and robot surgeons can operate 24/7 perfectly every-time (again think down the road), society will demand robot surgeon clinics to be as common as drugstores cranking on medical issues and improving lives in ways human surgeons can never do.
Soon after robot surgery is perfected (and it will be in your lifetime and expect an automated robot will operate on you someday) the picture of a human surgeon cutting into a patient by hand will look as archaic 19th century photos of medicine.
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Heisenberg, I'm all for progress and a technology nut...I've been involved with it for decades on the entertainment side. Yes, things are coming and we need to continue to evolve. But there are also questions that have to be asked, ethical questions, procedural questions, pure medical questions. Robotics will continue to be used, AI will get better, etc, etc. No one is questioning this. However, the questions that do come up revolve around adoption, pragmatism, etc. We will still be training surgeons with a knife for many many many years to come.
People bitch about health care costs until the cows come home....wonder how much it will cost to put robotic instruments into every hospital in the nation? Who's going to pay for them? You will have some hospitals that will have them, any many many many that will not for a long time.
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Heisenberg, I'm all for progress and a technology nut...I've been involved with it for decades on the entertainment side. Yes, things are coming and we need to continue to evolve. But there are also questions that have to be asked, ethical questions, procedural questions, pure medical questions. Robotics will continue to be used, AI will get better, etc, etc. No one is questioning this. However, the questions that do come up revolve around adoption, pragmatism, etc. We will still be training surgeons with a knife for many many many years to come.
People bitch about health care costs until the cows come home....wonder how much it will cost to put robotic instruments into every hospital in the nation? Who's going to pay for them? You will have some hospitals that will have them, any many many many that will not for a long time.
Cost will be cheaper than human surgeons so we will need less of them. This is the solution to rising healthcare costs, not a reason for them to go up more.
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Hackers can infiltrate White House and Pentagon computer systems.
Hackers can steal personal information to perpetrate identity theft at the touch of the button.
Anyone who thinks those same hackers couldn't infiltrate the software that runs the cars - and bring traffic everywhere to a grinding halt - are hopelessly naive.
I believe the road will be filled with nothing but driverless cars only after we are convinced we have definitively prevented hackers from reading POTUS' private records or stealing our SSNs. Anybody got a date on that?
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Hackers can infiltrate White House and Pentagon computer systems.
Hackers can steal personal information to perpetrate identity theft at the touch of the button.
Anyone who thinks those same hackers couldn't infiltrate the software that runs the cars - and bring traffic everywhere to a grinding halt - are hopelessly naive.
I believe the road will be filled with nothing but driverless cars only after we are convinced we have definitively prevented hackers from reading POTUS' private records or stealing our SSNs. Anybody got a date on that?
You are hopelessly naive in the way computers work.
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http://qz.com/403628/autonomous-cars-will-destroy-millions-of-jobs-and-reshape-the-economy-by-2025
Most people—experts included—seem to think that the transition to driverless vehicles will come slowly over the coming few decades, and that large hurdles exist for widespread adoption. I believe that this is significant underestimation.
Autonomous cars will be commonplace by 2025 and have a near monopoly by 2030, and the sweeping change they bring will eclipse every other innovation our society has experienced. They will cause unprecedented job loss and a fundamental restructuring of our economy, solve large portions of our environmental problems, prevent tens of thousands of deaths per year, save millions of hours with increased productivity, and create entire new industries that we cannot even imagine from our current vantage point.
The transition is already beginning to happen. Elon Musk, Tesla Motor’s CEO, says that their 2015 models will be able to self-drive 90% of the time. And major automakers aren’t far behind—according to Bloomberg News, GM’s 2017 Cadillac is planned to feature “technology that takes control of steering, acceleration and braking at highway speeds of 70 miles per hour or in stop-and-go congested traffic.”
Both Google and Tesla predict that fully-autonomous cars—what Musk describes as “true autonomous driving where you could literally get in the car, go to sleep, and wake up at your destination”—will be available to the public by 2020.
How it will unfold
Industry experts think that consumers will be slow to purchase autonomous cars—while this may be true, it is a mistake to assume that this will impede the transition.
Morgan Stanley’s research shows that cars are driven just 4% of the year, which is an astonishing waste considering that the average cost of car ownership is nearly $9,000 per year. Next to a house, an automobile is the second-most expensive asset that most people will ever buy—it is no surprise that ride sharing services like Uber and car sharing services like Zipcar are quickly gaining popularity as an alternative to car ownership.
It is now more economical to use a ride-sharing service if you live in a city and drive less than 10,000 miles per year. And current research confirms that we would be eager to use autonomous cars if they were available. A full 60% of US adults surveyed stated that they would ride in an autonomous car, and nearly 32% said they would not continue to drive once an autonomous car was available instead. But no one is more excited than Uber—CEO Travis Kalanick recently stated that Uber will eventually replace all of its drivers with self-driving cars.
A January 2013 Columbia University study once suggested that with a fleet of just 9,000 autonomous cars, Uber could replace every taxi cab in New York City, and that passengers would wait an average of 36 seconds for a ride that costs about $0.50 per mile. Such convenience and low cost would make car ownership inconceivable, and autonomous, on-demand taxis—the “transportation cloud”—will quickly become the dominant form of transportation.
Fallout
Disruptive innovation does not take kindly to entrenched competitors—like Blockbuster, Barnes and Noble, and Polaroid, it is unlikely that major automakers like General Motors, Ford, and Toyota will survive the leap. They are geared to produce millions of cars in dozens of different varieties to cater to individual taste and have far too much overhead to sustain such a dramatic decrease in sales. I think that most will be bankrupt by 2030, while startup automakers like Tesla will thrive on a smaller number of fleet sales to operators like Uber by offering standardized models with fewer options.
Ancillary industries such as the $198 billion automobile insurance market, $98 billion automotive finance market, $100 billion parking industry, and the $300 billion automotive aftermarket will collapse as demand for their services evaporates. We will see the obsolescence of rental car companies, public transportation systems, and, good riddance, parking, and speeding tickets.
But we will see the transformation of far more than just consumer transportation: self-driving semis, buses, earth movers, and delivery trucks could obviate the need for professional drivers and the support industries that surround them.
The US Bureau of Labor Statistics lists that 915,000 people are employed in motor vehicles and parts manufacturing. Truck, bus, delivery, and taxi drivers account for nearly 6 million professional driving jobs. Virtually all of these jobs will be eliminated within 10-15 years, and this list is by no means exhaustive.
But despite the job loss and wholesale destruction of industries, eliminating the needs for car ownership will yield over $1 trillion in additional disposable income—and that is going to usher in an era of unprecedented efficiency, innovation, and job creation.
A view of the future
Morgan Stanley estimates that a 90% reduction in crashes would save nearly 30,000 lives and prevent 2.12 million injuries annually. Driverless cars do not need to park—vehicles cruising the street looking for parking spots account for an astounding 30% of city traffic, not to mention that eliminating curbside parking adds two extra lanes of capacity to many city streets. Traffic will become nonexistent, saving each US commuter 38 hours every year—nearly a full work week. As parking lots and garages, car dealerships, and bus stations become obsolete, tens of millions of square feet of available prime real estate will spur explosive metropolitan development.
The environmental impact of autonomous cars has the potential to reverse the trend of global warming and drastically reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. As most autonomous cars are likely to be electric, we would eliminate most of the 134 billion gallons of gasoline used each year in the US alone. And while recycling 242 million vehicles will certainly require substantial resources, the surplus of raw materials will decrease the need for mining.
But perhaps most exciting for me are the coming inventions, discoveries, and creation of entire new industries that we cannot yet imagine.
It is exciting to be alive, isn’t it?
This post originally appeared at The Personal Blog of Zack Kanter. Follow Zack on Twitter at @ZackKanter. We welcome your comments at ideas@qz.com.
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You are hopelessly naive in the way computers work.
lol
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Cost will be cheaper than human surgeons so we will need less of them. This is the solution to rising healthcare costs, not a reason for them to go up more.
The exact same arguments were made about MRI machines, etc...better technology, better diagnosis...cheaper healthcare costs....except that's not what happened.
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Hackers can infiltrate White House and Pentagon computer systems.
Hackers can steal personal information to perpetrate identity theft at the touch of the button.
Anyone who thinks those same hackers couldn't infiltrate the software that runs the cars - and bring traffic everywhere to a grinding halt - are hopelessly naive.
I believe the road will be filled with nothing but driverless cars only after we are convinced we have definitively prevented hackers from reading POTUS' private records or stealing our SSNs. Anybody got a date on that?
It's already happened with cars and now planes. Earlier in this thread a pilot said it could not happen. Ooops...already has.
Of course it can, anyone is naive to think it cannot.
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It's already happened with cars and now planes. Earlier in this thread a pilot said it could not happen. Ooops...already has.
Of course it can, anyone is naive to think it cannot.
Humans kill 40,000 and injury 2 million a year but you're worried about hackers. The carnage has to stop. It will went the steering wheel is obsolete.
Regarding hackers, our entire financial system is automated and on the net. We don't even issue paper certificates anymore. everything is electronic and some account on the computer database. If hackers can do what you claim they would Drain everybody's account of money and put the world into chaos, they haven't even come close. The reason they can't is security measures are much more sophisticated than you're giving them credit for.
Embrace change Cicos, don't be that bitter old man in the corner at sunrise soiling his pants complaining about Robot doctors and driverless cars.
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Humans kill 40,000 and injury 2 million a year but you're worried about hackers. The carnage has to stop. It will went the steering wheel is obsolete.
Regarding hackers, our entire financial system is automated and on the net. We don't even issue paper certificates anymore. everything is electronic and some account on the computer database. If hackers can do what you claim they would Drain everybody's account of money and put the world and the chaos, they haven't even come close. The reason they can't is security measures are much more sophisticated than you're giving them credit for.
Embrace change Cicos, don't be that bitter old man in the corner at sunrise soiling his pants complaining about Robot doctors and driverless cars.
You are using raw numbers....out of how many drivers, time, miles, etc are humans killed on the road? Very low. Extremely low. Will automated cars be better? Perhaps...at what cost, however? You don't seem to factor that in.
Look, I just gave you a few articles that show what they can do. I'm not claiming anything, this thing called the FBI is confirming it. Or an actual demonstration with 60 minutes a few years ago. Now, is that a reason not to move forward with it? Of course not, nor did I say that. But the absurdity here that it CANNOT HAPPEN, is pure horsecrap. Of course it can, and already has.
I've embraced change my whole life Heisenburg, I just don't run around with my head cut off at the next new change and come on here proclaiming it's all going to be done by tomorrow and claiming entire industries are already dead, when they won't be dead for decades. That's the difference.
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You are using raw numbers....out of how many drivers, time, miles, etc are humans killed on the road? Very low. Extremely low. Will automated cars be better? Perhaps...at what cost, however? You don't seem to factor that in.
Look, I just gave you a few articles that show what they can do. I'm not claiming anything, this thing called the FBI is confirming it. Or an actual demonstration with 60 minutes a few years ago. Now, is that a reason not to move forward with it? Of course not, nor did I say that. But the absurdity here that it CANNOT HAPPEN, is pure horsecrap. Of course it can, and already has.
I've embraced change my whole life Heisenburg, I just don't run around with my head cut off at the next new change and come on here proclaiming it's all going to be done by tomorrow and claiming entire industries are already dead, when they won't be dead for decades. That's the difference.
How is the photography, book selling, newspaper, travel agency, electronics retailing, video rental and music industry doing? What purpose does the public library serve today? Auto Nation, the largest car dealership in the country, says the most important thing driving new car sales ... Connectivity and how it interfaces with a smart phone. Your industry is getting flattened by cord cutters.
Regarding the technology discussed here, see a few posts above, the world will be radically different in 2030, just like it is radical different now from 2000.
Speaking of 2000 ... Google, Apple and social media essentially did not exist 15 years ago. Broadband was unheard of, now my phone moves at broadband speeds. Peter Diamandis, author of BOLD and a big Silicon Valley thinker, correctly notes that a mobile phone today on an LTE network has more, deeper and faster information than the president of the United States could Marshall 20 years ago using all the resources of the United States government. In 20 years a 12 year with a mobile phone in Mumbai will have more info than Obama can demand from his advisors today. Epic change is coming. (Side note, Diamandis has an MD degree from Havard, to go with an engineering degree from MIT, and he is leading the charge for automated robot surgery),
It's 15 years away. Start changing.
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How is the photography, book selling, newspaper, travel agency, electronics retailing, video rental and music industry doing? What purpose does the public library serve today? Auto Nation, the largest car dealership in the country, says the most important thing driving new car sales ... Connectivity and how it interfaces with a smart phone. Your industry is getting flattened by cord cutters.
Regarding the technology discussed here, see a few posts above, the world will be radically different in 2030, just like it is radical different now from 2000.
Speaking of 2000 ... Google, Apple and social media essentially did not exist 15 years ago. Broadband was unheard of, now my phone moves at broadband speeds. Peter Diamandis, author of BOLD and a big Silicon Valley thinker correctly notes that a mobile phone today on an LTE network has more, deeper and faster information than the president of the United States could Marshall 20 years ago using all the resources of the United States government. In 20 years a 12 year with a mobile phone in Mumbai will have more info than Obama can demand from his advisors today. Epic change is coming. (Side note, Diamandis has an MD degree from Havard, to go with an engineering degree from MIT, and he is leading the charge for robot is surgery),
It's 15 years away. Start changing.
It was you who said the taxi system was dead, not it isn't. It may die, but it isn't dead. You said DVDs were dead. No they aren't. They will be, but they aren't yet. Newspapers, etc, sure they are dying, but not dead yet. I just think you get way ahead of yourself.
No one is denying the change, but that doesn't mean it is here tomorrow, either. Tremendous costs go into this. It's like the yahoos that said electric cars would be at 1 million by 2015 and it fell MASSIVELY short. GM said just just last week it expects to fall short of its goal of 500K electric cars by 2017.
Technology is great. We all get it, but this is a huge country in population and territory. Huge amounts of money to make this stuff happen. HUGE. That means it takes time, a LONG TIME.
Verizon just bought AOL last week.....they pick up 2.2 million dialup customers. There are still 2.2 dial up customers in 2015, a hell of a lot more of them then people driving electric cars. AOL generates $600 million a hear from their dial-up customers.
Change is inevitable, I don't know why you continue to label me as someone who doesn't want it or ignores it. You couldn't be further from the truth. I wouldn't be in the space I'm in if that was the case, I would have stayed where I was and milked it for the next 15 years easily. You're talking to a guy that several years ago put solar panels on his roof, that has 4K, has 3D (even though it bombed), adopted BluRay way before it was a standard and told people here years ago that HD DVD was not the answer, etc, etc.
But there is a difference with technology coming, embracing change and how fast and what impact it is going to happen in a certain timeline. The economic realities, the geographic size, the sheer number of people make it an enormous ship to turn.
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Seems like some people here have never heard of denial of service attacks....which have occurred against banks and other companies with very sophisticated systems.
If everyone in America was dependent on computerized cars to get around-the trauma surgeon getting to the hospital to take care of a gunshot patient, pregnant women trying to get to the hospital to deliver their babies, the fiftysomething-year-old man trying to get to the hospital with crushing chest pain-a simple denial of service attack that shut down all the cars for a while could cost plenty of lives.
You don't need a hacker to take control of the cars...just someone who could shut them down for a while. Plenty of lives, and incredible financial costs.
Not all change is good.
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Seems like some people here have never heard of denial of service attacks....which have occurred against banks and other companies with very sophisticated systems.
If everyone in America was dependent on computerized cars to get around-the trauma surgeon getting to the hospital to take care of a gunshot patient, pregnant women trying to get to the hospital to deliver their babies, the fiftysomething-year-old man trying to get to the hospital with crushing chest pain-a simple denial of service attack that shut down all the cars for a while could cost plenty of lives.
You don't need a hacker to take control of the cars...just someone who could shut them down for a while. Plenty of lives, and incredible financial costs.
Not all change is good.
ddosing clogs people from accessing a network. Not the websites functionality. If my home internet gets ddosed, I can't access the outside world. My computer still functions. A self driving car can still drive itself with a ddos.
How old are you, I need to know in order to better gauge the intelligence level of what I'm dealing with.
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It's already happened with cars and now planes. Earlier in this thread a pilot said it could not happen. Ooops...already has.
Of course it can, anyone is naive to think it cannot.
Yup! Here is another....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/18/fbi-affidavit-claims-security-expert-admitted-to-briefly-hacking-flight/
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Yup! Here is another....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/18/fbi-affidavit-claims-security-expert-admitted-to-briefly-hacking-flight/
Sounds like the dude tried to hack into the entertainment system, which would not be connected to the flight computer. He just said at one point he was able to make the plane go sideways. Though absolutely no proof of this exists.
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General comment about the techno-luddites in this thread ....
So a suicidal co-pilot crashes a plane and yet I don't hear you demanding psychological testing and a complete invasion of the privacy of cockpit personnel to prevent this from happening again. Are you resigning yourself that was a tragedy and then shrug your shoulders and buy a plane ticket to fly again when necessary.
At the same time one guy hacked a plane's entertainment system and probably watched Pitch Perfect for free so that means we have to stop the entire movement toward pilot-less planes because he claims (but cannot be proven) that he took over the controls of the plane. (If that was possible, it will be corrected shortly, if not already.)
What I'm saying is human pilots are way to dangerous (as are human drivers) and we have to do everything we can to get them out of the cockpit and off the roads. The level of human mistakes is unacceptably high. Until now we had no choice but accept this risk. Now, for the first time, we have a real solution.
Oh, and ditto this with surgeons and robotic surgery.
Finally, are you against driving (or riding in) new cars? They are made almost entirely by robots with little human intervention. Aren't you afraid a hacker will break-in and program them to make incorrect wields make and the car unsafe?
Where do these imaginary fears end?
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General comment about the techno-luddites in this thread ....
So a suicidal co-pilot crashes a plane and yet I don't hear you demanding psychological testing and a complete invasion of the privacy of cockpit personnel to prevent this from happening again. Are you resigning yourself that was a tragedy and then shrug your shoulders and buy a plane ticket to fly again when necessary.
At the same time one guy hacked a plane's entertainment system and probably watched Pitch Perfect for free so that means we have to stop the entire movement toward pilot-less planes because he claims (but cannot be proven) that he took over the controls of the plane. (If that was possible, it will be corrected shortly, if not already.)
What I'm saying is human pilots are way to dangerous (as are human drivers) and we have to do everything we can to get them out of the cockpit and off the roads. The level of human mistakes is unacceptably high. Until now we had no choice but accept this risk. Now, for the first time, we have a real solution.
Oh, and ditto this with surgeons and robotic surgery.
Finally, are you against driving (or riding in) new cars? They are made almost entirely by robots with little human intervention. Aren't you afraid a hacker will break-in and program them to make incorrect wields make and the car unsafe?
Where do these imaginary fears end?
My God, no one said anything of the kind. No one.. Absolutely NO ONE.
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My God, no one said anything of the kind. No one.. Absolutely NO ONE.
So no one think driverless cars and pilot-less planes will not save lives, money and time?
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So no one think driverless cars and pilot-less planes will not save lives, money and time?
It might do all those things. It also might not. I figure whatever study comes out on this, multiply it by 3 on the cost and at least by 2.5 on the timing when it will be ready to go. For these things to happen, you need it done in mass to get the costs down. When is that tipping point? etc, etc. Sure, theoretically all these things might happen, we could even argue they are likely to happen. Question to me is when? I think the horizon is way farther out than you have it.
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It might do all those things. It also might not. I figure whatever study comes out on this, multiply it by 3 on the cost and at least by 2.5 on the timing when it will be ready to go. For these things to happen, you need it done in mass to get the costs down. When is that tipping point? etc, etc. Sure, theoretically all these things might happen, we could even argue they are likely to happen. Question to me is when? I think the horizon is way farther out than you have it.
It took cars around 70 years to be commonplace, it took computers 50, it took cell phones around 20, it took smart phones 4 years, it took tablets 2, it seems that we are way quicker to adapt to advancement.
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It might do all those things. It also might not. I figure whatever study comes out on this, multiply it by 3 on the cost and at least by 2.5 on the timing when it will be ready to go. For these things to happen, you need it done in mass to get the costs down. When is that tipping point? etc, etc. Sure, theoretically all these things might happen, we could even argue they are likely to happen. Question to me is when? I think the horizon is way farther out than you have it.
Google Moore's law and understand that this the most Important concept in our economy you are not factoring in.
Uber started four years ago. Now valued at 50 billion, more than every taxi company in the U.S. Combined. How it went to start up to that valuation and this disruptive to a 100+ year old business in less than 5 years in one of the most amazing stories in the history of capitalism. Has any start up destroyed an existing industry (not company, but industry) this fast? The digital camera took longer to kill off Kodak and Polariod.
But because CBB still sees money losing dinosaurs traditional taxis hanging on after the asteroid hit does mean they will survive. We are just arguing when the last one dies. I'll guess less than 5 years.