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swimmer

Maybe it's one of the three "Bob McKillops" that whitepages shows living in Wisconsin, or one of the 27 others in the U.S.

77fan88warrior

Do you think Hank Raymonds will purchase the new coaches house like he did for Al?

dcmk89

Quote from: IAmMarquette on April 07, 2008, 01:05:03 AM
Come on guys, we've seen Curry play FOUR GAMES. FOUR. I won't take anything away from the kid, because he was very impressive in those FOUR games, but is it possible that he just got hot at the right time? Think McNeal at the end of the season. He was damn near unstoppable, but we've all seen him on off nights as well. Are those of you saying you'd take Curry over DJ/McNeal in a heartbeat implying that Curry has never had/will never have an off night?

Curry had a great tournament. Jerry Smith (for those of you who wish we had him) got hot at the end of the Louisville game in '07 and beat us. Four games for one, 3 minutes for the other, and suddenly our former BE Freshman of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year are second-rate? Give me a break.




Umm, no.

Curry averaged 21 ppg his freshman year and 25.7 this year.

Just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean he's not a stud.

Curry came up HUGE EVERY night, against great teams and not so great ones.

his 25 point effort against Kansas was an off-night.

His impressive run in the tournament was not a surprise to those who followed college basketball.

He was a finalist (along with beasley, hansborough and augustine) for one of the college player of the year awards.

Only a homer would say he's not better than Mcneal/James.

Coobeys Oil Depot

Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2008, 12:39:45 AM
Quote from: Coobeys Oil Depot on April 06, 2008, 02:12:58 PM
Curry is a great shooter but does that trump all other skills?

He can't touch either James or McNeal in terms of defense, both on-ball and passing lane.

He can't touch either James or McNeal in terms of elevation.

He can't touch either James or McNeal in ball handling.

He can't touch either James or McNeal in terms of penetrating the lane.

He can't touch either James or McNeal in terms of shaking a defender. (As evidenced by the last 12 seconds of Kansas)

An interesting discussion. To each his own.
I love McNeal and James as well, but he singlehandedly carried Davidson to the Elite Eight, and James and McNeal haven't made it past the 1st weekend of the tournament.  He has very good ball handling skills, I'd say better than McNeal but worse than James.  He might not penetrate 1 on 1, but coming off of the screen he is great at curling and getting into the lane.  And your last point is just a bad point.  He scored 26 points per game while having defenses throw 2-3 guys at him every time he touched the ball, got a screen set for him, etc.  On that play Kansas's defense was saying "anybody but Stephen Curry is going to have to beat us" throwing 4 different defenders on him.  Did James shake defenders in the last few seconds of the Georgetown game?  Did McNeal shake defenders in the last few seconds (of regulation) in the Stanford game?  Hate to bring up bad memories, but that point was not well made.  While James and McNeal may be slightly better at more things, the things that Curry does better than those two are by far and away, and I'd say I'd take Curry over both of them in a second.  I think the most important thing is Curry's decision making and letting the game come to him (McNeal and James each do it on and off, but Curry is very consistent with that).

Check the bolded. You may not agree with my last point but if you have a screen set for you 90% of the time how does that count as "shaking" a defender?

We had guys coming off screens every fucking minute under Crean and if they could shoot (Diener, Novak, Chapman) they looked just as good as any other player that comes off a screen.

James and McNeal are downgraded because they are not pure shooters. No problem there. But that shouldn't penalize them more then Curry's negatives penalize him.

wadesworld

Quote from: Coobeys Oil Depot on April 07, 2008, 11:30:10 AM
Check the bolded. You may not agree with my last point but if you have a screen set for you 90% of the time how does that count as "shaking" a defender?

We had guys coming off screens every fracking minute under Crean and if they could shoot (Diener, Novak, Chapman) they looked just as good as any other player that comes off a screen.

James and McNeal are downgraded because they are not pure shooters. No problem there. But that shouldn't penalize them more then Curry's negatives penalize him.
There was a difference between Novak, Chapman, and Diener (although Diener was closer to Curry) and when they came off of there screens.  The first two in particular would catch and shoot without a pump fake or a dribble.  Curry often had guys helping the defender when he came off of the screen and he'd "shake" the defender with a head fake or 1 dribble 1 way or the other.  It doesn't matter how the defender is "shaken," it doesn't have to be off of the dribble by himself, he is better than anyone I've seen at reading the screen and defense and adjusting accordingly, getting wide open.  Nobody on Marquette knows how to do that...we run screens up top and end up passing the ball to that man HIGHER than where the pass was thrown from.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ReMOjm-eBzA
The Georgetown game on 2 straight possessions he shook the defender(s) like nobody I've seen...splits the defenders up top then gets the and-1 layup and then behind the back on top of the key, hits the 3 over the defender who's showing (you'll argue he used a screen on the 2nd play and it wasn't "shaking" his defender...after the behind the back move his defender had already fallen back about 4 feet from him, he was shaken already).

Stats:
Stephen Curry: 33 mpg, 26 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 3 apg, 2 spg, 48% fg, 89% ft, 44% 3pt fg
Jerel McNeal:   30 mpg, 15 ppg, 5 rpg, 3.5 apg, 2.2 spg, 45.6% fg, 70% ft, 30% 3pt fg
Dominic James: 30 mpg, 13 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1.8 spg, 40% fg, 66% ft, 31% 3pt fg

Again, I love Dominic and Jerel, but if you ask me there is NO question whatsoever who I'd rather have.  If there is one guard I would love to have on Marquette it would be Stephen Curry.  One of the top 5 players I'd take in the nation, and the other four would be big men only because we NEED one.  Now if it was BOTH James AND McNeal or Curry who would you rather have then obviously it'd be McNeal AND James.

muwarrior87

for those of you comparing DJ, Jerel, and Curry, points per game, etc, don't really have much weight behind them. We have 4 strong scoring options and Davidson has one.  Put Jerel, Dom, heck, even Wesley or Lazar on a team like Davidson and they will all put up 20+ a game, I'd almost guarantee it.

wadesworld

Quote from: muwarrior87 on April 07, 2008, 03:44:51 PM
for those of you comparing DJ, Jerel, and Curry, points per game, etc, don't really have much weight behind them. We have 4 strong scoring options and Davidson has one.  Put Jerel, Dom, heck, even Wesley or Lazar on a team like Davidson and they will all put up 20+ a game, I'd almost guarantee it.
Alright, if that's the case then why can't all 4 of those guys together get to the Sweet Sixteen, much less 2 points away from the Final Four?

muwarrior87

Matchups speak volumes.  Overrated Madison second round or Stanford...hmm.

PuertoRicanNightmare

Are you guys nuts? Curry is much better than anybody on our team, even our guys would tell you that. In fact, the only MU player that compares to him EVER is Wade. He's a first round draft pick.

wadesworld

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 07, 2008, 03:52:32 PM
Are you guys nuts? Curry is much better than anybody on our team, even our guys would tell you that. In fact, the only MU player that compares to him EVER is Wade. He's a first round draft pick.
Definitely agree.  And matchups do speak volumes...they also played Georgetown and Kansas.  Georgetown beat us in our place (yes we got screwed, Davidson didn't let them stay that close) and Kansas would have KILLED us...they lost by 2 to them.  They also ran Wisconsin out of the building.  We beat Wisconsin there, so I'd call that one a push.  Even if we beat Stanford, we lose to Texas, who we match up well with, and they still go further than us.

Again, not trying to tear Marquette apart, love our guys, but if stats don't show he's better than the results do, and if the results don't then the stats do.

MUEAGLE96

This house has now been relisted


mugrack

I hope McKillop saved the reciept ;D

reinko

No doubt he may get to the association, but not a lot of teams willing to use a 1st round draft pick on a 6'3", 155 lbs shooting guard. 

Daniel

Quote from: MUEAGLE96 on April 07, 2008, 10:30:16 PM
Quote from: MUEAGLE96 on April 07, 2008, 10:27:54 PM
This house has now been relisted

heres the link in case anyone is interested

http://realty100.wisconsin.remax.com/listings/ListingDetail_r4.aspx?LID=38218851#aTop


I heard McKillopp told the realtor, "That's the last time I'm buying a house in another city before I actually get the job there."

cheebs09

I wonder if McKillop still has this house.

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