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MU82

#800
October 08, 2026, 09:28:28 PM
Herbstreit: Stop calling the Cowboys coach "Schottie." He's not a dog, and he's not your best friend.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

JWags85

#801
October 08, 2026, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: MU82 on October 08, 2026, 09:28:28 PMHerbstreit: Stop calling the Cowboys coach "Schottie." He's not a dog, and he's not your best friend.

Not that I care either way, but that's pretty common parlance in Dallas since he's been HC.  My BIL calls him that and he gets referred to as such by Dallas sports radio/Cowboys bloggers.  I would imagine it was probably something Herbstreit picked up during interviews/prep work around the organization this week.  Not like it's some dorky inside nickname due to a friendship they have.

MU82

#802
October 09, 2026, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: JWags85 on October 08, 2026, 09:39:31 PMNot that I care either way, but that's pretty common parlance in Dallas since he's been HC.  My BIL calls him that and he gets referred to as such by Dallas sports radio/Cowboys bloggers.  I would imagine it was probably something Herbstreit picked up during interviews/prep work around the organization this week.  Not like it's some dorky inside nickname due to a friendship they have.

It's dorky. Act like a professional, national announcer. The coach has a real name. Use it.

As for Bucs coach Todd Bowles - "Bowlsie?" - kick the effen FG and go up by 3 scores.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

#803
October 09, 2026, 08:08:17 AM
Quote from: JWags85 on October 08, 2026, 09:39:31 PMNot that I care either way, but that's pretty common parlance in Dallas since he's been HC.  My BIL calls him that and he gets referred to as such by Dallas sports radio/Cowboys bloggers.  I would imagine it was probably something Herbstreit picked up during interviews/prep work around the organization this week.  Not like it's some dorky inside nickname due to a friendship they have.


Sure it's his nickname. That's not what a national television announcer should use.

But I would expect that from a guy who uses a dog to shield his image.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

#804
October 09, 2026, 10:38:11 AM
It's Coach Mike Shuh-Shev-Skee, not Coach K.

MU82

#805
October 09, 2026, 01:26:04 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on October 09, 2026, 10:38:11 AMIt's Coach Mike Shuh-Shev-Skee, not Coach K.

Different. And you know it. But that's cool.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Pakuni

#806
October 09, 2026, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: MU82 on October 09, 2026, 01:26:04 PMDifferent. And you know it. But that's cool.

Why is it different? Honest question. And what's it matter?
I think Herbstreit - Ibdon't dare call him Herbie - is a bit of a clown, but this (to me) seems harmless.

The Sultan

#807
October 09, 2026, 03:36:32 PM
Because "Coach K" is ubiquitous. It's like calling William Belichick "Bill."

"Schottie" makes you sound oddly friendly and familiar. I have never once heard it used to describe him prior to last evening.

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Hards Alumni

#808
October 09, 2026, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on October 09, 2026, 03:36:32 PMBecause "Coach K" is ubiquitous. It's like calling William Belichick "Bill."

"Schottie" makes you sound oddly friendly and familiar. I have never once heard it used to describe him prior to last evening.



Incredibly subjective.

The Sultan

#809
October 09, 2026, 04:03:38 PM
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

#810
October 09, 2026, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on October 09, 2026, 03:17:54 PMWhy is it different? Honest question. And what's it matter?
I think Herbstreit - Ibdon't dare call him Herbie - is a bit of a clown, but this (to me) seems harmless.

Sure it's harmless. Doesn't hurt anybody or anything. But it's not the same as Coach K, and you know it.

Say "Coach K" to even the most casual sports fan, and he or she immediately knows who it is. It's the decades-long nickname for one of the most successful and best-known sports figures in history. It's like "Magic."

Now do the same for "Schottie." Most will have no clue, though some might think it's Marge Schott's dog.

Truly surprised you're making the argument, Pak.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

JWags85

#811
October 09, 2026, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: MU82 on October 09, 2026, 04:48:22 PMSure it's harmless. Doesn't hurt anybody or anything. But it's not the same as Coach K, and you know it.

Say "Coach K" to even the most casual sports fan, and he or she immediately knows who it is. It's the decades-long nickname for one of the most successful and best-known sports figures in history. It's like "Magic."

Now do the same for "Schottie." Most will have no clue, though some might think it's Marge Schott's dog.

Truly surprised you're making the argument, Pak.

But it's not a studio show or a vague article about the NFL as a whole. You're watching a Cowboys game, there is no confusion as to who "Schotty" is referring to.

Like I said earlier, you Google or search "Schotty" and hundreds of Cowboys related mentions and blog posts immediately. As a result, I would bet significantly that a large subset of the people in the Cowboys organization refer to him as such as well.  Which is where a color guy would pick it up as their job is convey that sort of stuff in an entertaining fashion.
I'm not surprised that people hadn't heard him referred to as such, outside of Dallas. He's been an NFL HC for 20 games and hasn't yet won 10.  Plenty of casual fans probably don't even know his first name if unprompted.

But again, it's just entertainment. I don't know why it sounds any less "professional".  It's far more annoying and dorky when the color guy feels the need to fawn over anything positive a bang average QB does or employs insane hyperbole about what a football savant a career .500 coach is cause he happens to be the home team on the broadcast.

Pakuni

#812
October 10, 2026, 07:55:49 AM
Quote from: MU82 on October 09, 2026, 04:48:22 PMSure it's harmless. Doesn't hurt anybody or anything. But it's not the same as Coach K, and you know it.

Say "Coach K" to even the most casual sports fan, and he or she immediately knows who it is. It's the decades-long nickname for one of the most successful and best-known sports figures in history. It's like "Magic."

Now do the same for "Schottie." Most will have no clue, though some might think it's Marge Schott's dog.

Truly surprised you're making the argument, Pak.

It's an argument only inasmuch as I don't think it's something worth consternation, or even a second thought. I'm saying, why does it matter? If you find it distracting, OK, fair. But sports broadcasters have used nicknames when calling games forever, even for coaches (The Dean, Big Tuna, Riverboat Ron, JoePa, The Ol Ball Coach).

As for Coach K ... at some point, not even the most casual sports fan knew what that meant. He didn't come out of the womb as Coach K. Some broadcaster started calling him that not because it was a well-established shorthand, but because it was easier than pronouncing his full name. And it eventually caught on from there ... because it was easier for everyone else, too.
Will "Schottie" have a similar fate? I very much doubt it, for reasons not the least of which that Schottie very likely won't be a head coach for four more decades... and maybe not four more games.

Pakuni

#813
October 10, 2026, 10:23:49 AM
MHJ traded ... but no one saying where yet.

cheebs09

#814
October 10, 2026, 10:25:54 AM
Quote from: Pakuni on October 10, 2026, 10:23:49 AMMHJ traded ... but no one saying where yet.

No one wants to admit trading for him?

tower912

#815
October 10, 2026, 10:30:25 AM
They could have gotten more if they waited until after he torched the Lions secondary for 15 receptions and 240 yards.
...I'm a rebel just for kicks,  now
I been feeling it since 1966, now...

MU82

#816
October 10, 2026, 12:39:43 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on October 10, 2026, 07:55:49 AMIt's an argument only inasmuch as I don't think it's something worth consternation, or even a second thought. I'm saying, why does it matter? If you find it distracting, OK, fair. But sports broadcasters have used nicknames when calling games forever, even for coaches (The Dean, Big Tuna, Riverboat Ron, JoePa, The Ol Ball Coach).

As for Coach K ... at some point, not even the most casual sports fan knew what that meant. He didn't come out of the womb as Coach K. Some broadcaster started calling him that not because it was a well-established shorthand, but because it was easier than pronouncing his full name. And it eventually caught on from there ... because it was easier for everyone else, too.
Will "Schottie" have a similar fate? I very much doubt it, for reasons not the least of which that Schottie very likely won't be a head coach for four more decades... and maybe not four more games.

Who will ever forget Coach K's rival at UNC - Dean Smith. Or as Herbstreit called him, "Smitty"!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

CreightonWarrior

#817
October 10, 2026, 02:42:03 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on October 10, 2026, 10:23:49 AMMHJ traded ... but no one saying where yet.
the first ever trade between an NFL and CFL team.  Just waiting to confirm legality.

MuggsyB

#820
October 11, 2026, 12:09:00 PM
Terrible 1st series for the Bears.  Attack. 

MuggsyB

#821
October 11, 2026, 12:17:01 PM
The Bears are simply not ready to play. 

wadesworld

#822
October 11, 2026, 12:22:47 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2026, 12:17:01 PMThe Bears are simply not ready to play. 

Please don't call game over. Sincerely, the Packers fans here.

jesmu84

#823
October 11, 2026, 12:23:09 PM
Muggsy, you gotta sit out any bears commentary.

Bagent is terrible

MuggsyB

#824
October 11, 2026, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on October 11, 2026, 12:22:47 PMPlease don't call game over. Sincerely, the Packers fans here.

Ballgame.  :)
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