Thoughts and prayers in San Diego

[Billy Hoyle]

But let's not call them Nazis!

San Diego mosque shooters left document revealing racist, neo-Nazi beliefs
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/san-diego-mosque-shooters-neo-nazi-beliefs/

I guess I shouldn't be surprised the SPLC would ignore the rest of the groups these cretins were targeting (including one in particular). They hated everyone:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2026/05/san-diego-mosque-shooters-incels-muslims-jews-women.html

"They didn't discriminate on who they hated," Mark Remer, the FBI special agent in charge, told reporters last week. "It covered a wide aspect of races and religions."

It's true that the manifesto covers many different races and religions. But the men zeroed in on two groups with particular rage: Jews and women.

"After the Jew, the most evil creature in the world is the woman," the manifesto says. "This is because after Jews, women tend to cause all the problems in the world."


Did they go to an Ivy or donate to Chris Rabb and listen to Hasan Piker?

[Uncle Rico]

But let's not call them Nazis!

San Diego mosque shooters left document revealing racist, neo-Nazi beliefs
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/san-diego-mosque-shooters-neo-nazi-beliefs/

"Their screed suggests the teenagers targeted a mosque because they believed Muslim people were "invaders" in the United States. "I don't hate Muslims, at least not really. What I do hate is the religion of Islam itself and what I hate more than that is seeing them here, invading my country," Vazquez wrote. "They must be isolated and exterminated," Cain argued in his portion of the document."

Ed: I don't know where they could possibly have gotten such ideas.

"In their document, the shooters referenced specific racist conspiracy theories that have been promoted by the White House. For example, in a section titled "Mass Immigration and its Consequences," they repeated the claim — originally made in a video created by a far-right livestreamer in December 2025, and reposted and praised by Vice President JD Vance on X — that Somali immigrants in Minnesota are defrauding the government out of millions of dollars.[5] In the document written by Vazquez and Clark, Vazquez cited the alleged fraud as evidence that immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of crime (the opposite is true) and "DO. NOT. F...ING. BELONG. HERE."[6]

Rampant anti-Muslim fearmongering has come from federal elected officials. Members of Congress have introduced nearly half a dozen bills opposing so-called "Sharia law" within the past year. In December 2025, U.S. Reps. Keith Self and Chip Roy announced the creation of the Sharia-Free America Caucus. In April, Self wrote on X that the caucus had 65 members. "DEFEND THE WEST," he wrote.[9]

In March, U.S. Rep. Randy Fine posted on X, "We need more Islamophobia, not less. Fear of Islam is natural." The same month, Rep. Brandon Gill stated that "Importing Islam will annihilate America as we know it."[10] Sen. Tommy Tuberville consistently criticizes "Radical Islam," which he calls "INCOMPATIBLE with our Western values."[11]"

Ed: Oh. Right.

"The shooters were inspired by leaders and figureheads associated with the now defunct neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, according to their social media posts that Hatewatch reviewed. In a video of the attack, one appeared to wear a patch bearing the group's logo — a black-and-white radiation trefoil on a shield.

Clark and Vazquez also appear to have drawn significant inspiration from a decentralized network that promoted white supremacist terrorism known as the "Terrorgram Collective," according to the document they published online and social media accounts tied to them.

The "Terrorgram Collective" is a loose network of content creators, primarily on the social media app Telegram."

It's a real mystery how these beliefs have gone mainstream and been adopted by a political party

[Billy Hoyle]

It's a real mystery how these beliefs have gone mainstream and been adopted by a political party

"The shooters were inspired by leaders and figureheads associated with the now defunct neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, according to their social media posts that Hatewatch reviewed. In a video of the attack, one appeared to wear a patch bearing the group's logo — a black-and-white radiation trefoil on a shield."

Graham Plattner supporters?

[Uncle Rico]

"The shooters were inspired by leaders and figureheads associated with the now defunct neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, according to their social media posts that Hatewatch reviewed. In a video of the attack, one appeared to wear a patch bearing the group's logo — a black-and-white radiation trefoil on a shield."

Graham Plattner supporters?

Could be

[MU82]

The GOP candidate for the U.S. Senate in Texas has been indicted on charges of felony securities fraud. He's been impeached, too — with votes from members of his own party — on allegations of bribery, dereliction of duty, obstruction of justice and abuse of the public trust. He's also been accused of adultery by his wife of 38 years, who filed for divorce "on biblical grounds."

No wonder he received der Fuhrer's enthusiastic endorsement.

[Warriors4ever]

Ah yes, a shining example of 'only the best people'...

[TSmith34, Inc.]

The GOP candidate for the U.S. Senate in Texas has been indicted on charges of felony securities fraud. He's been impeached, too — with votes from members of his own party — on allegations of bribery, dereliction of duty, obstruction of justice and abuse of the public trust. He's also been accused of adultery by his wife of 38 years, who filed for divorce "on biblical grounds."

No wonder he received der Fuhrer's enthusiastic endorsement.

At least he didn't ask for Dijon mustard

[Jay Bee]

The GOP candidate for the U.S. Senate in Texas has been indicted on charges of felony securities fraud. He's been impeached, too — with votes from members of his own party — on allegations of bribery, dereliction of duty, obstruction of justice and abuse of the public trust. He's also been accused of adultery by his wife of 38 years, who filed for divorce "on biblical grounds."

No wonder he received der Fuhrer's enthusiastic endorsement.

^^^ ban

[Shaka Shart]

"The shooters were inspired by leaders and figureheads associated with the now defunct neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, according to their social media posts that Hatewatch reviewed. In a video of the attack, one appeared to wear a patch bearing the group's logo — a black-and-white radiation trefoil on a shield."

Graham Plattner supporters?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised the SPLC would ignore the rest of the groups these cretins were targeting (including one in particular). They hated everyone:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2026/05/san-diego-mosque-shooters-incels-muslims-jews-women.html

"They didn't discriminate on who they hated," Mark Remer, the FBI special agent in charge, told reporters last week. "It covered a wide aspect of races and religions."

It's true that the manifesto covers many different races and religions. But the men zeroed in on two groups with particular rage: Jews and women.

"After the Jew, the most evil creature in the world is the woman," the manifesto says. "This is because after Jews, women tend to cause all the problems in the world."


Did they go to an Ivy or donate to Chris Rabb and listen to Hasan Piker?

Where are you going with this?

[Billy Hoyle]

Where are you going with this?

that this wasn't as much a crime centered on Islamophobia (what SPLC only cares about), but rather the overall hatred being spewed across the spectrum that is dehumanizing marginalized groups, especially Jews (from the left), Muslims (from the right), and women (from the right). This wasn't a politically motivated crime; they wanted to kill anyone not like them.

[jesmu84]

that this wasn't as much a crime centered on Islamophobia (what SPLC only cares about), but rather the overall hatred being spewed across the spectrum that is dehumanizing marginalized groups, especially Jews (from the left), Muslims (from the right), and women (from the right). This wasn't a politically motivated crime; they wanted to kill anyone not like them.

The left hates Jews?

[Billy Hoyle]

The left hates Jews?

The far left progressives and the MAGA right are discovering they have more in common than they'd like to admit when it comes to Jewish people.

[Shaka Shart]

that this wasn't as much a crime centered on Islamophobia (what SPLC only cares about), but rather the overall hatred being spewed across the spectrum that is dehumanizing marginalized groups, especially Jews (from the left), Muslims (from the right), and women (from the right). This wasn't a politically motivated crime; they wanted to kill anyone not like them.

I don't think anyone's debating that these freaks hate Jews/muslims/women but they shot up a mosque. Hence that specific focus. Modern neo Nazis hate pretty much everyone.

And if you think antisemitism is only coming from the left, and Islamophobia only from the right I think you're entrenched into some siloed information gathering.

[Hards Alumni]

The far left progressives and the MAGA right are discovering they have more in common than they'd like to admit when it comes to Jewish people.

Very incorrect.

[Uncle Rico]

American Gestapo injuring citizens

https://bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3mmv6laq3j22h

[Billy Hoyle]

I don't think anyone's debating that these freaks hate Jews/muslims/women but they shot up a mosque. Hence that specific focus. Modern neo Nazis hate pretty much everyone.

And if you think antisemitism is only coming from the left, and Islamophobia only from the right I think you're entrenched into some siloed information gathering.

As I said, the far left and far right have much more in common when it comes to Jews than they are willing to acknowledge (horseshoe theory). Look at the college campuses back in October 2023. The right always targeted Jews (see: Charlottesville) but the far left joined up during that time.

I haven't seen the open hate of Muslims from the left, however.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

The far left progressives and the MAGA right are discovering they have more in common than they'd like to admit when it comes to Jewish people.

I think it is pretty easy, unfortunately, to conflate the terrible actions of Netanyahu and the hard right extremists in Israel conducting ethnic cleansing with Jews in general, particularly on the surface.

Just like it is pretty easy, unfortunately, for the rest of the world to conflate what's being done by Trump and the hard right extremists here in our name.

[MU82]

As an American Jew with an Orthodox Jewish brother who lives in Tel Aviv, I reject the notion that criticizing the Israeli government's policies - especially those related to the atrocities in Gaza - is "antisemitic."

Are some of the critics antisemites? Quite possible, even likely. But to label all (or even most) critics of what Bibi's doing antisemites is really something. I mean, many American Jews criticize Bibi; does that make these Jews anti-Jewish?

Having said that, there is a real and growing problem with actual antisemitism - more and more people in America and around the world are openly expressing hatred for Jews just for being Jewish. And sometimes, that hatred is expressed violently.

[Shaka Shart]

As I said, the far left and far right have much more in common when it comes to Jews than they are willing to acknowledge (horseshoe theory). Look at the college campuses back in October 2023. The right always targeted Jews (see: Charlottesville) but the far left joined up during that time.

I haven't seen the open hate of Muslims from the left, however.

That's fair. There's a lot of people who have taken a rightful criticism of an out of control rogue state and conflated it with "all people associated with the religion of this country are horrible people". Lots of absolutes from people these days.

Apologies if I came off as dismissive, I am just cautious on both sidesing these days because of its wholly often bad faith unbalanced nature with many people.

but I think you have  considered this thoughtfully upon your explanations.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

That's fair. There's a lot of people who have taken a rightful criticism of an out of control rogue state and conflated it with "all people associated with the religion of this country are horrible people". Lots of absolutes from people these days.

That's what I was trying to say, but not as eloquently.

[Hards Alumni]

As I said, the far left and far right have much more in common when it comes to Jews than they are willing to acknowledge (horseshoe theory). Look at the college campuses back in October 2023. The right always targeted Jews (see: Charlottesville) but the far left joined up during that time.

I haven't seen the open hate of Muslims from the left, however.

Pure fantasy.  No one on the left (that I am aware of) hates Jewish people.  They dislike (rightfully so) Israel.  It is very easy to separate the two, and there is a segment of the population that likes to say that they are inseparable, and disliking Israel's actions is inherently antisemitic.  It isn't.

I'd love for you to show me some examples of leftists saying they hate Jewish people.

[jesmu84]

The far left progressives and the MAGA right are discovering they have more in common than they'd like to admit when it comes to Jewish people.

Can you share far left progressives hating Jews? And not criticizing Israel or being anti-zionist?