Heroes are forever but legends never die

[Small Orange Soda]

He thought he would progress his Frosh to Soph season.  It didn't happen. 

Why? He beat out prep schools for his services. No one else wanted him or Clark. Does that sound like a sound business plan?

[augoman]

I don't recall ever seeing Sheek cheering on the team or laughing or smiling on the sideline.  He was a lonesome 17 yo kid from St Louis who missed his mom.  I doubt he bonded with anyone on the team.  He wanted to go home.  Mom got Schertz to offer some money to come be a Bilikin.  He was happy for the first time in a year.  He gowne.
IMHO.

[MuggsyB]

Why? He beat out prep schools for his services. No one else wanted him or Clark. Does that sound like a sound business plan?

Again, he made a mistake.  And perhaps doubled down.  No one is arguing otherwise.  The only concern we should have is where we to go from here.  Reliving that he fked up, for months on end, accomplishes what exactly?

[Small Orange Soda]

Again, he made a mistake.  And perhaps doubled down.  No one is arguing otherwise.  The only concern we should have is where we to go from here.  Reliving that he fked up, for months on end, accomplishes what exactly?

Well, he could also acknowledge his mistake and fix it.

That's the point. He doesn't think it's a mistake.

[Wade-A-Minute]

I don't recall ever seeing Sheek cheering on the team or laughing or smiling on the sideline.  He was a lonesome 17 yo kid from St Louis who missed his mom.  I doubt he bonded with anyone on the team.  He wanted to go home.  Mom got Schertz to offer some money to come be a Bilikin.  He was happy for the first time in a year.  He gowne.
IMHO.

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[MuggsyB]

Well, he could also acknowledge his mistake and fix it.

That's the point. He doesn't think it's a mistake.

I'm lost as to what you want him to do at this point.  Admit his mistake and throw himself and Caedin under the bus?

[wadesworld]

Well, he could also acknowledge his mistake and fix it.

That's the point. He doesn't think it's a mistake.

He did.

People go crazy for Shaka not playing the portal game, and now the portal game goes the other way for the first time under Shaka and people go crazy because of it.

This is the game. We're going to lose guys that are expected to play a role.

[DoctorV]

I don't recall ever seeing Sheek cheering on the team or laughing or smiling on the sideline.  He was a lonesome 17 yo kid from St Louis who missed his mom.  I doubt he bonded with anyone on the team.  He wanted to go home.  Mom got Schertz to offer some money to come be a Bilikin.  He was happy for the first time in a year.  He gowne.
IMHO.

He probably didn't bond with anyone because 18 ostracized him and kept him out of the circle of trust because he was worried about losing his minutes to him the following year!

Just kidding... happy bday to Cea dawg

I will say that I was talking to my 5 year old about Marquette getting a new player named Crowdis because he's already excited about and pretending to dunk like Fru and Minne, and explaining that he just came in to help give Nigel a rest because everyone needs a rest, and not everyone need to or can be a star but they are still important to a team...
Kid is a brain, but the athletic ability has a hint of lag so it's a pertinent lesson to learn.

He responded with "oh so he's like number 18 to Fru"
I almost lost it, thought it was pretty funny that he didn't remember Caedins name and called him number 18.
I said "well yea, kind of."
Then unprovoked he says "well baba he can get much better you know. He had a very good game against UConn in the best game of the year."

We went to that game. I didn't remember 'a very good game' but I looked it up and he played 18 mins with 4pts and 2 boards and if I recall he was very solid defensively and a net positive.
So, kudos to the kid for remembering and giving credit where it's due, and kudos to Caedin for a very good game in the best game of the year

[GoFastAndWin]

Happy (B-Day), happy!
Put it in your heart where tomorrow shines!

[GoFastAndWin]

So many Ruffled Feathers ⛳️ here on Scoop. Played it for $29.99 today. Greens really rolling. Plenty of hills to Dye on.

[Small Orange Soda]

I'm lost as to what you want him to do at this point.  Admit his mistake and throw himself and Caedin under the bus?

At this point? Nothing to do. But it's three years of mistakes, plus even recruiting him in general. If someone effs up for five years (he should've never even recruited him), then yeah, the frustration builds.

He did.

People go crazy for Shaka not playing the portal game, and now the portal game goes the other way for the first time under Shaka and people go crazy because of it.

This is the game. We're going to lose guys that are expected to play a role.

Agreed. So let's get good players, not ones that no other high major program want. People want to act like the past year was a total surprise. It wasn't. You need good players. 'We won't take transfers, but we'll find diamonds in the rough' is how you you go 12-20.

[MuggsyB]

Pre

He probably didn't bond with anyone because 18 ostracized him and kept him out of the circle of trust because he was worried about losing his minutes to him the following year!

Just kidding... happy bday to Cea dawg

I will say that I was talking to my 5 year old about Marquette getting a new player named Crowdis because he's already excited about and pretending to dunk like Fru and Minne, and explaining that he just came in to help give Nigel a rest because everyone needs a rest, and not everyone need to or can be a star but they are still important to a team...
Kid is a brain, but the athletic ability has a hint of lag so it's a pertinent lesson to learn.

He responded with "oh so he's like number 18 to Fru"
I almost lost it, thought it was pretty funny that he didn't remember Caedins name and called him number 18.
I said "well yea, kind of."
Then unprovoked he says "well baba he can get much better you know. He had a very good game against UConn in the best game of the year."

We went to that game. I didn't remember 'a very good game' but I looked it up and he played 18 mins with 4pts and 2 boards and if I recall he was very solid defensively and a net positive.
So, kudos to the kid for remembering and giving credit where it's due, and kudos to Caedin for a very good game in the best game of the year

"Pretending to dunk"?  Does your kid have the right shoes?  Get him in the gym and working on his elevation, handles, and zoomability.  Pronto!

[withoutbias]

Moral of the story is using a kid's birthday as an excuse to start a thread to rip on him is lame as phuck and says a lot about what a low life people on here are.

[Shooter McGavin]

Your schtick jumped the shark quite a while ago.

There is an underlying point to it though (I'm not talking about the reason Sheek left). If he will be a net negative (we do not know for sure but past evidence points that way) why have him on the team at all?  Cutting ties opens up a spot for another potential positive contributor.

He sees the negative impact with clarity. 

The rest of us have polyanish magical thinking that he might be good next year. We are all hoping for the best, but know deep down that JayBee is right and that he is likely a failed experiment. 

Ripping on the kid is bad.  Calling it a loss is not.  Hopefully Shaka and the polyanish here  are correct.

[DoctorV]

Pre
"Pretending to dunk"?  Does your kid have the right shoes?  Get him in the gym and working on his elevation, handles, and zoomability.  Pronto!

I think he's got the right shoes, but he's also got the wrong genes to dunk

[MuggsyB]

I think he's got the right shoes, but he's also got the wrong genes to dunk

Well then have him pivot to the floater, finger roll, and dominant dimeing.
Beginning with the pocket pass before progressing to the no-look, zip cross-court  rope, leading to the wide open corner trifecta. 

[willie warrior]

I don't recall ever seeing Sheek cheering on the team or laughing or smiling on the sideline.  He was a lonesome 17 yo kid from St Louis who missed his mom.  I doubt he bonded with anyone on the team.  He wanted to go home.  Mom got Schertz to offer some money to come be a Bilikin.  He was happy for the first time in a year.  He gowne.
IMHO.

At this point? Nothing to do. But it's three years of mistakes, plus even recruiting him in general. If someone effs up for five years (he should've never even recruited him), then yeah, the frustration builds.

Agreed. So let's get good players, not ones that no other high major program want. People want to act like the past year was a total surprise. It wasn't. You need good players. 'We won't take transfers, but we'll find diamonds in the rough' is how you you go 12-20.

Right, and if you are fortunate, you find a diamond in the rough every 5 years or so.

[muwarrior69]

He's not going to dismiss Hamilton. He thinks he's good. That's the issue. It's not the kid's fault, it's Shaka's.

Shaka doesn't think he's good, he actually said he improved dramatically over last summer and that did not happen.  Maybe year 3 is the charm?   

[Vander Blue Man Group]

There is an underlying point to it though (I'm not talking about the reason Sheek left). If he will be a net negative (we do not know for sure but past evidence points that way) why have him on the team at all?  Cutting ties opens up a spot for another potential positive contributor.

He sees the negative impact with clarity. 

The rest of us have polyanish magical thinking that he might be good next year. We are all hoping for the best, but know deep down that JayBee is right and that he is likely a failed experiment. 

Ripping on the kid is bad.  Calling it a loss is not.  Hopefully Shaka and the polyanish here  are correct.

I disagree that there's an underlying point.

Do you think all 15 players on a roster need to contribute during games for a team to be successful?

Do you think some kids can contribute to the group in other ways?

Kam Jones, an NBA player, emphatically defended the kid on social media during last season. That says something about Kam and Hamilton.

The problem was not Hamilton on the roster as the #3/#4 center. Shaka landed a high-caliber big in the portal and had a top-75 redshirt big who got sniped at the last second. You can't blame Shaka for that.

Hamilton already saw his minutes drop significantly with no Fru or Sheek last season. What do you think was going to happen this season?

You can blame Shaka if he doesn't add another big before the season. That would be a mistake, IMO.

The collective HDS by a portion of this board should be studied.

[Jay Bee]

Do you think all 15 players on a roster need to contribute during games for a team to be successful?

The problem was not Hamilton on the roster as the #3/#4 center. Shaka landed a high-caliber big in the portal and had a top-75 redshirt big who got sniped at the last second. You can't blame Shaka for that.

Hamilton already saw his minutes drop significantly with no Fru or Sheek last season. What do you think was going to happen this season?

Hey dude, crown him because Kam made a quick post on X about him if that's your thing, but you're off on everything above. We're not talking about 18 being a great practice player and just getting mop up minutes. We've seen SS's odd thinking with him and there are reasons to believe it will continue. Regular rotation, making appearances in the first half each game. You can join the club of, "well, 5 to 8 minutes per game isn't going to hurt us!", but I'm not.

[Uncle Rico]

Hey dude, crown him because Kam made a quick post on X about him if that's your thing, but you're off on everything above. We're not talking about 18 being a great practice player and just getting mop up minutes. We've seen SS's odd thinking with him and there are reasons to believe it will continue. Regular rotation, making appearances in the first half each game. You can join the club of, "well, 5 to 8 minutes per game isn't going to hurt us!", but I'm not.

I'm not.  I expect him to play 18-20 minutes a game at the minimum.  There's no reason to believe otherwise. 

Caedin may have come to Marquette for the school and not the coach but the coach hasn't shown any inclination to change patterns.  Pencil him in for 18-20 minutes.

Could be more if Fru leaves before the season.  Don't think that can't happen once he sees Caedin will get a lot of the minutes he thought he'd get.

[panda]

I disagree that there's an underlying point.

Do you think all 15 players on a roster need to contribute during games for a team to be successful?

Do you think some kids can contribute to the group in other ways?

Kam Jones, an NBA player, emphatically defended the kid on social media during last season. That says something about Kam and Hamilton.

The problem was not Hamilton on the roster as the #3/#4 center. Shaka landed a high-caliber big in the portal and had a top-75 redshirt big who got sniped at the last second. You can't blame Shaka for that.

Hamilton already saw his minutes drop significantly with no Fru or Sheek last season. What do you think was going to happen this season?

You can blame Shaka if he doesn't add another big before the season. That would be a mistake, IMO.

The collective HDS by a portion of this board should be studied.

Games can be won and lost in the amount of minutes/possessions he will play in as the back up 5 next year. He's not a capable contributor at this level and never will be. That is a net negative for a team that will be fighting for a tournament spot.

Kam jones is a ride or die guy. Much respect to him but shouldn't be a feather in your cap as a discussion point.

https://x.com/csgkam/status/1364601574908178433?s=46

[The Sultan]

Games can be won and lost in the amount of minutes/possessions he will play in as the back up 5 next year. He's not a capable contributor at this level and never will be. That is a net negative for a team that will be fighting for a tournament spot.

Kam jones is a ride or die guy. Much respect to him but shouldn't be a feather in your cap as a discussion point.

https://x.com/csgkam/status/1364601574908178433?s=46

This was posted before Wojo even left Marquette and while Kam was still in high school.

[Jay Bee]

This was posted before Wojo even left Marquette and while Kam was still in high school.

Exactly - that further reinforces the point, duuuuhhhhh.

[Uncle Rico]

Exactly - that further reinforces the point, duuuuhhhhh.

Doesn't mean much either if you know Kam chose Marquette the school and not the coach.