Heroes are forever but legends never die

[MuggsyB]

Yes.

Okay.  I stand corrected.

Hopefully we find another baller. 

[Jay Bee]

lol

[MU82]

Shaka let sheek walk for Caedin

That's just plain silly, even for you.

Now, if you had said "Shaka let Sheek walk because Shaka wasn't willing to pay him 7 figures, which is significantly more than Caedin will receive," maybe you'd actually have been on to something.

[MuggsyB]

Nm

[MUDPT]

I'm not pretending to be anything.

I do find it funny that some of you blindly follow some of the "inside info" that "connected" people here are fed from people within the athletic department. That is like blindly trusting a beat reporter an organization knows they can pump info to feed the narrative they want to convey.

I'm not knocking those passing along the info, but it should be viewed through a critical lense.

Is Royce's dad unconnected or is he also being fed bad info?

[Small Orange Soda]

I asked you a question, and you refused to answer it.  And roster construction, after our roster is set and the portal is basically closed, is a futile and idiotic endeavor. 

Muggsy, the issue is for the third year in a row, Shaka is making a mistake at the center position. He was wrong to count on Caedin two years ago, he was wildly wrong to count on him (which was a major contributor to the worst MU season in 35 years), and he's wrong to count on him as a backup this year. It's just very frustrating that Shaka won't acknowledge that he's bad and shouldn't be playing again and again.

[Jay Bee]

Is Royce's dad unconnected or is he also being fed bad info?

Surely he was on the phone while the $$$ and starting job were promised to Sheek! lol

[wadesworld]

Muggsy, the issue is for the third year in a row, Shaka is making a mistake at the center position. He was wrong to count on Caedin two years ago, he was wildly wrong to count on him (which was a major contributor to the worst MU season in 35 years), and he's wrong to count on him as a backup this year. It's just very frustrating that Shaka won't acknowledge that he's bad and shouldn't be playing again and again.

He had his backup. He's not going to pay millions for a 10-13 mpg backup, nor should he.

[Small Orange Soda]

He had his backup. He's not going to pay millions for a 10-13 mpg backup, nor should he.

And in this current landscape, those things happen. Best to not keep bad players for a fourth year. These are the consequences.

But more to the point, you, me, VBMG, MU82, all agree he's not good. Shaka disagrees though. He's fine with him getting minutes. And he will.

Edit:

I don't agree with Jay and panda that Sheek left because he was scared of PT. But I do think any potential 5 is going to look at the roster and think, 'well, you already have a starter and two guys in their third and fourth year. Where do I fit in?'

[MuggsyB]

Muggsy, the issue is for the third year in a row, Shaka is making a mistake at the center position. He was wrong to count on Caedin two years ago, he was wildly wrong to count on him (which was a major contributor to the worst MU season in 35 years), and he's wrong to count on him as a backup this year. It's just very frustrating that Shaka won't acknowledge that he's bad and shouldn't be playing again and again.

He was wrong about Caedin, but didn't anticipate Sheek bolting.  Ergo, these are the cards we've been dealt.  I agree that the sample size doesn't give me a lot of confidence with Caedin but destroying the kid and Shaka, 5 months before the season, doesn't serve a purpose.  Unless there's an automatic option to find a back-up 5 and dismiss Hamilton.

[Small Orange Soda]

He was wrong about Caedin, but didn't anticipate Sheek bolting.  Ergo, these are the cards we've been dealt.  I agree that the sample size doesn't give me a lot of confidence with Caedin but destroying the kid and Shaka, 5 months before the season, doesn't serve a purpose.  Unless there's an automatic option to find a back-up 5 and dismiss Hamilton.

He's not going to dismiss Hamilton. He thinks he's good. That's the issue. It's not the kid's fault, it's Shaka's.

[Jay Bee]

I don't agree with Jay and panda that Sheek left because he was scared of PT. But I do think any potential 5 is going to look at the roster and think, 'well, you already have a starter and two guys in their third and fourth year. Where do I fit in?'

Sounds like you do agree.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

He's not going to dismiss Hamilton. He thinks he's good. That's the issue. It's not the kid's fault, it's Shaka's.

Why did his minutes decrease considerably and why was Fru added if Shaka thinks he's so good?

[MuggsyB]

He's not going to dismiss Hamilton. He thinks he's good. That's the issue. It's not the kid's fault, it's Shaka's.

So is your take for Shaka to get rid of him without a back-up as of now?

[Jay Bee]

Why did his minutes decrease considerably and why was Fru added if Shaka thinks he's so good?

Why did he get normal appearances in the first half and why will he again this coming season?

[Small Orange Soda]

Why did his minutes decrease considerably and why was Fru added if Shaka thinks he's so good?

Why is it all or none? 10 minutes isn't nothing. That's the point. 82 is a hyperbolic person, and just tosses out the nonsensical idea that he's gonna play 35. He's not. But he's gonna play. You've watched him play the last two years. Tell me that's a non issue. And when Shaka realizes he's not up to snuff, tell me that having to play guys out of position isn't an issue either. Three years in a row we're going to have to deal with this. 

[Small Orange Soda]

So is your take for Shaka to get rid of him without a back-up as of now?

No. We're stuck with him. My point is that Shaka does think he's good. And he's not.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Why is it all or none? 10 minutes isn't nothing. That's the point. 82 is a hyperbolic person, and just tosses out the nonsensical idea that he's gonna play 35. He's not. But he's gonna play. You've watched him play the last two years. Tell me that's a non issue. And when Shaka realizes he's not up to snuff, tell me that having to play guys out of position isn't an issue either. Three years in a row we're going to have to deal with this.

I think it's a mistake if Shaka doesn't add another big.

I also don't think Hamilton potentially playing 5-8 MPG is going to sink our season.

[Small Orange Soda]

I think it's a mistake if Shaka doesn't add another big.

I also don't think Hamilton potentially playing 5-8 MPG is going to sink our season.

If Shaka convinces a kid to reclassify, he's probably not going to play much, if any. Sheek was top 50, if I recall.

[MuggsyB]

No. We're stuck with him. My point is that Shaka does think he's good. And he's not.

I would say he thought he was good and pivoted too late last season.  There's a reason he played way less in Feb/March. 

[Jay Bee]

I think it's a mistake if Shaka doesn't add another big.

I also don't think Hamilton potentially playing 5-8 MPG is going to sink our season.

Is 5-8 mpg a negative for the team? (Not to mention causing Sheek to leave)

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Is 5-8 mpg a negative for the team? (Not to mention causing Sheek to leave)

Your schtick jumped the shark quite a while ago.

[wadesworld]

Caedin scared Sheek off just like Sean scared Nigel off. Hate to see it.

[Small Orange Soda]

I would say he thought he was good and pivoted too late last season.  There's a reason he played way less in Feb/March. 

He thought he was good the year before too. I'm not saying that Shaka is going to play him a bunch. But it's been clear the past two years that he doesn't belong at this level at all. 'Okay, he's only a 10 minute player' is still very incorrect. And I harp on it because we're entering the third year of this debate and several people won't admit that this is a real problem. Shaka has blown it on the center position his entire time here. He inherited Oso, but everyone since then has been a massive whiff. And now Sheek, the guy who looked pretty good, is gone. It's a fair concern.

[MuggsyB]

He thought he was good the year before too. I'm not saying that Shaka is going to play him a bunch. But it's been clear the past two years that he doesn't belong at this level at all. 'Okay, he's only a 10 minute player' is still very incorrect. And I harp on it because we're entering the third year of this debate and several people won't admit that this is a real problem. Shaka has blown it on the center position his entire time here. He inherited Oso, but everyone since then has been a massive whiff. And now Sheek, the guy who looked pretty good, is gone. It's a fair concern.

He thought he would progress his Frosh to Soph season.  It didn't happen.