Pray for Charlie Kirk

[Skatastrophy]

Muggsy, considering your diatribes about animals and the Middle East, it is easy to see how you would think the rhetoric from the extremes of either side is equally toxic.  However, as far as actual political violence, the actual data is pretty one sided.

Yeah, but people are calling people with fascist ideology fascists. That's pretty inflammatory.

[forgetful]

Seeing a big shift in the online narrative pivoting to blame teachers/educators for indoctrinating the shooter.

Indicating it only took 1-semester to turn a religious conservative into a liberal extremist.

How is it that people who dedicate their lives to promoting the education, and development, of kids, for fractions on the dollar of what they could make elsewhere, are somehow always the villains?

[tower912]

They have to.  Anything to avoid looking in the mirror.

[MuggsyB]

Muggsy, considering your diatribes about animals and the Middle East, it is easy to see how you would think the rhetoric from the extremes of either side is equally toxic.   However, as far as actual political violence, the actual data is pretty one sided.

Everyone has failed protecting our tremendous members of the animal kingdom.  This isn't debatable.  I'm curious Tower if you've ever attended campus protests regarding Israel/Palestine or anti-police protests?  When there are incidents or violence would you characterize them as political?  Also, there is a huge difference between Gen Z and young millennials vs Baby Boomers and Gen X when it comes to justifying political violence.  Why do you think that's the case? 

[tower912]

The internet.  And thank you for buttressing my point.

[GB Warrior]

Everyone has failed protecting our tremendous members of the animal kingdom.  This isn't debatable.  I'm curious Tower if you've ever attended campus protests regarding Israel/Palestine or anti-police protests?  When there are incidents or violence would you characterize them as political?  Also, there is a huge difference between Gen Z and young millennials vs Baby Boomers and Gen X when it comes to justifying political violence.  Why do you think that's the case? 

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[MU82]

I've never defended Trump's rhetoric.  Or Trump himself, for that matter. It's super interesting that you and others here constantly accuse the other political side of "whataboutisn" and "shifting goalposts."  Basically, what I've read here is exactly that and pretty fking embarrassing.  All I know is a conservative influencer with two kids under 3 was assassinated, and many on the left have been gleeful about it. I could care less about the murderer or what his views were.

As for fanning the flames?  It's absolutely both sides.  And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party.  It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment. 

I obviously have heard of Charlie Kirk but honestly didn't follow him at all.  What I do know is conservative voices shouldn't need a swat team to speak on University campuses.  Does this happen for Liberal speakers?  I don't think so.  The actual truth is that the far left is virulently anti-anerican and extremely dangerous.  The far right as well, those that are actually white nationalists, are of course dangerous .  But I believe the ideological impact of the radical left has a far larger outreach and worse ramifications.

So much in here is emotional, uninformed and just plain wrong. You want glee? Just do 3 minutes of googling to remind yourself what your leader and those who support him had to say after the attack on Paul Pelosi. That you think only conservatives are victimized is quaint. Ignorant, but quaint.

[MuggsyB]

So much in here is emotional, uninformed and just plain wrong. You want glee? Just do 3 minutes of googling to remind yourself what your leader and those who support him had to say after the attack on Paul Pelosi. That you think only conservatives are victimized is quaint. Ignorant, but quaint.

I never stared "only conservatives are victimized" at all.  You just literally conjured something out of thin air. 

[ATL MU Warrior]

Video games

C'mon...it's porn

[MuggsyB]

And by the way, I'm not exactly a Trump humper.  I just think he's the lesser of the two evils. And your "guy" literally was a puppet of your party and not our acting president. 

[wadesworld]

And by the way, I'm not exactly a Trump humper.  I just think he's the lesser of the two evils. And your "guy" literally was a puppet of your party and not our acting president.

It would be VERY good for this country if Donald Trump were simply a puppet.

[MuggsyB]

It would be VERY good for this country if Donald Trump were simply a puppet.

I'm glad you agree that Biden wasn't calling the shots. 

[Jay Bee]

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/

[wadesworld]

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/

Absolutely HAD to find some way to blame it on transgenders.

Given some of your comments on this topic, you should be way above this garbage. Comes in here riding his high horse preaching how ashamed everyone should be of themselves.

[HutchwasClutch]

Absolutely HAD to find some way to blame it on transgenders.

Given some of your comments on this topic, you should be way above this garbage. Comes in here riding his high horse preaching how ashamed everyone should be of themselves.

Yeah, how could there possibly be any connection between his partner transitioning and his motivation to murder Charlie? And a flimsy confirmation by source in law enforcement?  Narrative was threatened there for a moment.  Good thing you're here.

[GB Warrior]

C'mon...it's porn

[jesmu84]

Absolutely HAD to find some way to blame it on transgenders.

Given some of your comments on this topic, you should be way above this garbage. Comes in here riding his high horse preaching how ashamed everyone should be of themselves.

+1

[tower912]

I am just glad he worked through his grief so quickly.  Healthy sign.

[The Sultan]

Seeing a big shift in the online narrative pivoting to blame teachers/educators for indoctrinating the shooter.

Indicating it only took 1-semester to turn a religious conservative into a liberal extremist.

How is it that people who dedicate their lives to promoting the education, and development, of kids, for fractions on the dollar of what they could make elsewhere, are somehow always the villains?

Not to mention college students are way more conservative now than they were a generation ago.

[BM1090]

I've never defended Trump's rhetoric.  Or Trump himself, for that matter. It's super interesting that you and others here constantly accuse the other political side of "whataboutisn" and "shifting goalposts."  Basically, what I've read here is exactly that and pretty fking embarrassing.  All I know is a conservative influencer with two kids under 3 was assassinated, and many on the left have been gleeful about it. I could care less about the murderer or what his views were.

As for fanning the flames?  It's absolutely both sides.  And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party.  It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment. 

I obviously have heard of Charlie Kirk but honestly didn't follow him at all.  What I do know is conservative voices shouldn't need a swat team to speak on University campuses.  Does this happen for Liberal speakers?  I don't think so.  The actual truth is that the far left is virulently anti-anerican and extremely dangerous.  The far right as well, those that are actually white nationalists, are of course dangerous .  But I believe the ideological impact of the radical left has a far larger outreach and worse ramifications.

Who on the left has been gleeful about it? I'm sure they are some crazies, but I'm left of "liberal" and I don't know anyone who wanted him to die.

I'm not going to mourn him, he spread evil to make a living. But I definitely feel for his wife and especially his two kids.

My biggest issue is the posthumous reframing of him as this guy who was a beacon of free speech. He's not Nick Fuentes, but he represented and promoted the worst of what the world has to offer.

And your last two sentences are just easily disprovable drivel. The far left has some dangerous people. The far right is fucking in power and are actively spreading dangerous rhetoric. And their behaviors are being modeled in a lot of homes across the country.

[Jay Bee]

I am just glad he worked through his grief so quickly.  Healthy sign.

Your sh1tty comment about my personal grief in response to me posting a link (without any comment) to a news story relevant to this thread's topic is telling. I wish you the best in letting go of the hate.

[Jockey]

Seeing a big shift in the online narrative pivoting to blame teachers/educators for indoctrinating the shooter.

Indicating it only took 1-semester to turn a religious conservative into a liberal extremist.

How is it that people who dedicate their lives to promoting the education, and development, of kids, for fractions on the dollar of what they could make elsewhere, are somehow always the villains?

Easy. Rich powerful people are never the villain. THEY decide who the villians are.

[GB Warrior]

Your sh1tty comment about my personal grief in response to me posting a link (without any comment) to a news story relevant to this thread's topic is telling. I wish you the best in letting go of the hate.

His wife is grifting, not grieving over this. It's not that deep, bro

[CountryRoads]

Yeah, how could there possibly be any connection between his partner transitioning and his motivation to murder Charlie? And a flimsy confirmation by source in law enforcement?  Narrative was threatened there for a moment.  Good thing you're here.

If they even exist, they could just as easily have been one of the good ones that helped turn him in.  Too early to make any assumptions. Yesterday, a few posters said hold off on making assumptions, which I completely agreed with, but then collectively proceeded to post several pages worth of weird baseless nonsense. Where did that crazy stuff even come from?

[Jockey]

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/

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