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MuggsyB

Israel will respond strongly after the hospital missile hit.  The Iranian regime is not going to last very long. 

Pakuni

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 19, 2025, 07:23:27 AMIsrael will respond strongly after the hospital missile hit.  The Iranian regime is not going to last very long. 

Bombing hospitals for me, but not for thee.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 19, 2025, 07:23:27 AMIsrael will respond strongly after the hospital missile hit.  The Iranian regime is not going to last very long. 

Is that wrong?  Huh.
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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 19, 2025, 12:14:58 AMOnly once muggsy admits he's about 4 points short of a functional 5 point plan.

For those old enough to remember the slogan for Timex watches....it works for Muggsy as well.

"It takes a licking and keeps on ticking."  ;D



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MUBurrow

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 19, 2025, 07:23:27 AMIsrael will respond strongly after the hospital missile hit.  The Iranian regime is not going to last very long. 

IMHO this was an example of incompetence and not malice, and an example of how powerless Iran is to respond effectively.  Sure its possible that Iran targeted the hospital, but based on their lobbing ordinance and hoping for the best (worst?) so far, it seems the less likely explanation.

Spaniel with a Short Tail

Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 19, 2025, 12:14:58 AMOnly once muggsy admits he's about 4 points short of a functional 5 point plan.

To be fair to Muggsy, I don't think even he ever described it as functional.


GB Warrior

I think Muggsy's plan is best summarized as

1. Topple Khamenei
2. Get bitches

Who needs strategy or a plan?

Pakuni

Quote from: GB Warrior on June 19, 2025, 12:56:52 PMI think Muggsy's plan is best summarized as

1. Topple Khamenei
2. Get bitches

Who needs strategy or a plan?

In the broadest sense, the plan is undeniably brilliant.


Uncle Rico

War time in America.  Fantastic
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Shaka Shart

Muggsy just exploded in his pants like a SpaceX rocket test
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forgetful

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2025, 07:13:01 PMWar time in America.  Fantastic

In all honesty, the world is now a more dangerous place. Everyone's intelligence indicated Iran was not seeking a nuclear weapon, and were engaged in negotiations.

They were bombed anyway. Actions like that upset that natural order of the world, and eliminate the trust/respect other countries have in the USA.

tower912

Indeed.

Countdown to re-instituting the draft has begun in our house.   Says the father of an 18 year-old.
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It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: forgetful on June 21, 2025, 07:35:25 PMIn all honesty, the world is now a more dangerous place. Everyone's intelligence indicated Iran was not seeking a nuclear weapon, and were engaged in negotiations.

They were bombed anyway. Actions like that upset that natural order of the world, and eliminate the trust/respect other countries have in the USA.

No one respects America anymore and I can't blame them one bit.  But at least student loans didn't get forgiven.  Imagine if that happened? 
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forgetful

Quote from: tower912 on June 21, 2025, 07:35:46 PMIndeed.

Countdown to re-instituting the draft has begun in our house.  Says the father of an 18 year-old.

It's kind of sad that the world is now hoping that Iran is the rational, peace seeking nation as the only hope to stop an all out war in the Middle East.

Jay Bee

Quote from: forgetful on June 21, 2025, 07:43:58 PMIt's kind of sad that the world is now hoping that Iran is the rational, peace seeking nation as the only hope to stop an all out war in the Middle East.

Very rational. Especially with regard to women, hey?
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Quote from: Jay Bee on June 21, 2025, 08:11:58 PMVery rational. Especially with regard to women, hey?

We illegally bombing Saudi Arabia, too?
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JWags85

Quote from: forgetful on June 21, 2025, 07:35:25 PMIn all honesty, the world is now a more dangerous place. Everyone's intelligence indicated Iran was not seeking a nuclear weapon, and were engaged in negotiations.

They were bombed anyway. Actions like that upset that natural order of the world, and eliminate the trust/respect other countries have in the USA.

Depending on who you read, the negotiations appeared to be a bit of a joke with Iran repeating the same messaging and not wanting to budge.  They continue to enrich uranium, try to expand ballistic missile capabilities, etc... 

I'm certainly not condoning military action, but Ive seen a lot of contrarian takes the last few days trying to make Iran out to be some misunderstand peaceful force whose only fault is being mischaracterized by propaganda and completely disregarding Iran's role and efforts in arming and funding groups all over the Middle East.

Quote from: forgetful on June 21, 2025, 07:43:58 PMIt's kind of sad that the world is now hoping that Iran is the rational, peace seeking nation as the only hope to stop an all out war in the Middle East.

Some may be mistakenly thinking it would be Iran being altruistic and peaceful to avoid a war when it would actually be Iran realizing that they are already screwed in an armed conflict and cutting their losses, IMO.

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Uncle Rico

Quote from: JWags85 on June 21, 2025, 08:22:20 PMDepending on who you read, the negotiations appeared to be a bit of a joke with Iran repeating the same messaging and not wanting to budge.  They continue to enrich uranium, try to expand ballistic missile capabilities, etc... 

I'm certainly not condoning military action, but Ive seen a lot of contrarian takes the last few days trying to make Iran out to be some misunderstand peaceful force whose only fault is being mischaracterized by propaganda and completely disregarding Iran's role and efforts in arming and funding groups all over the Middle East.

Some may be mistakenly thinking it would be Iran being altruistic and peaceful to avoid a war when it would actually be Iran realizing that they are already screwed in an armed conflict and cutting their losses, IMO.

Well, the good news is, they'll act accordingly now.  Especially since we immediately asked for peace.
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MU82

Quote from: forgetful on June 21, 2025, 07:43:58 PMIt's kind of sad that the world is now hoping that Iran is the rational, peace seeking nation as the only hope to stop an all out war in the Middle East.

Are you sure most of the world sees Iran in that light? Their extremist religious government has been a bad actor for decades and decades.
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forgetful

Quote from: MU82 on June 21, 2025, 09:09:15 PMAre you sure most of the world sees Iran in that light? Their extremist religious government has been a bad actor for decades and decades.

I think you misread my meaning.

Right now, Iran has been unilaterally attacked by both Israel and the US. The Middle East is on the verge of all out war.

Israel said they will keep attacking. The US says if Iran doesn't surrender we will keep attacking. The only hope is that Iran says no to war, which would mean that they appear as the rational, peace seeking nation in this ordeal.

Related, the President is saying they must agree to peace, or they will be further attacked. What does that even mean?

forgetful

Quote from: JWags85 on June 21, 2025, 08:22:20 PMDepending on who you read, the negotiations appeared to be a bit of a joke with Iran repeating the same messaging and not wanting to budge.  They continue to enrich uranium, try to expand ballistic missile capabilities, etc... 

I'm certainly not condoning military action, but Ive seen a lot of contrarian takes the last few days trying to make Iran out to be some misunderstand peaceful force whose only fault is being mischaracterized by propaganda and completely disregarding Iran's role and efforts in arming and funding groups all over the Middle East.

Some may be mistakenly thinking it would be Iran being altruistic and peaceful to avoid a war when it would actually be Iran realizing that they are already screwed in an armed conflict and cutting their losses, IMO.

I agree on the bolded.

And I agree on the negotiations. Iran wasn't going to give up being able to have a nuclear enrichment program, but that is different than pursuing a nuclear weapon, which our own intelligence said they had no desire to do. Peace could have been found in the middle.

So it may be true then that Iran was not overly engaged in negotiations, but we also had the President tonight say that all of this was done as part of a team with Israel, which to Iran and the rest of the world, indicates that we were never negotiating in good faith, we were just helping facilitate a surprise attack. That's not a good look.

#UnleashSean

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Sir Lawrence

Who are Iran's allies?  Russia?  Yemen?  The tell for me is what is the USA up against.
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