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[mu_hilltopper]

What's the over/under on Iranian terrorism on US soil set at?  1 week?  2?

[GB Warrior]

We illegally bombing Saudi Arabia, too?

No they have sports Jay Bee likes so no concerns here.

I'm sick of the winning.

[Dish]

WWE sure picked a hell of a time to be headed over to Saudi Arabia next week.

[Mutaman]

Just not the same around here w/o the dentists. Muggsy's a poor substitute- he's not an pretty boy.

[Shaka Shart]

Depending on who you read, the negotiations appeared to be a bit of a joke with Iran repeating the same messaging and not wanting to budge.  They continue to enrich uranium, try to expand ballistic missile capabilities, etc... 

Iran negotiated and started complying. But then the US tore up the treaty because reasons. Would you come to the negotiation table again? Why would you believe that any of them would be honored or be in good faith anyway.



The US only has threat of force now. Our word doesn't mean much anymore.

This is not an endorsement of the Iranian regime, but if you were in that position you'd probably prefer not to waste your time either.

[The Sultan]

Even though I was against it, at least I GOT our invasion of Iraq.

This I don't get at all. We have been manipulated into doing Netanyahu's bidding, and it's really strange how we ended up here. Anyone with any degree of foresight will see that this has the possibility of being MUCH more problematic than Iraq - way stronger opponent with much better abilities to strike back. Not to mention that this is much less popular domestically.

And I have no idea what strategic American interest is being served here. The whole point of developing domestic energy sources was so that we no longer had to be involved in this nonsense.

Instead of talking softly and carrying a big stick, we are full of bluster and trying to half-ass it. It's not going to work.

[GB Warrior]

Even though I was against it, at least I GOT our invasion of Iraq.

This I don't get at all. We have been manipulated into doing Netanyahu's bidding, and it's really strange how we ended up here. Anyone with any degree of foresight will see that this has the possibility of being MUCH more problematic than Iraq - way stronger opponent with much better abilities to strike back. Not to mention that this is much less popular domestically.

And I have no idea what strategic American interest is being served here. The whole point of developing domestic energy sources was so that we no longer had to be involved in this nonsense.

Instead of talking softly and carrying a big stick, we are full of bluster and trying to half-ass it. It's not going to work.

Maybe we will leave the rebuilding to Israel because they've proven adept at navigating complex humanitarian disasters they've created

[MUBurrow]

This I don't get at all. We have been manipulated into doing Netanyahu's bidding, and it's really strange how we ended up here.

This is where I'm at, and despite what Muggs' mentalist capabilities would tell you, I'm fairly hawkish in thinking the US should support Israel with treasure and weapons as far as it wants to take its fight with Iran.

But by most accounts, the only thing the US brought to the table that Israel didn't here was bunker busters, and Israel probably had the capacity to take out the remaining sites, but without bunker busters that was just going to require strategic ground forces. Okay? Go for it if you want and we'll give you what we can. But this just seems like directly involving US forces for the sole purpose of preserving Israeli military assets. Which I don't understand at all.

[JakeBarnes]

What's the over/under on Iranian terrorism on US soil set at?  1 week?  2?

Not just worried about Iran.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/russias-medvedev-says-trump-started-new-war-us-after-attack-iran-2025-06-22/

Same official stated "the future production of nuclear weapons will continue" and that "a number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads"

So, everything's fine.

[The Sultan]

This is where I'm at, and despite what Muggs' mentalist capabilities would tell you, I'm fairly hawkish in thinking the US should support Israel with treasure and weapons as far as it wants to take its fight with Iran.

But by most accounts, the only thing the US brought to the table that Israel didn't here was bunker busters, and Israel probably had the capacity to take out the remaining sites, but without bunker busters that was just going to require strategic ground forces. Okay? Go for it if you want and we'll give you what we can. But this just seems like directly involving US forces for the sole purpose of preserving Israeli military assets. Which I don't understand at all.

From a complete realpolitik point of view, our alliance with Israel has given us absolutely nothing of value. One could argue that it has actually been more harmful than helpful to our long term interests.

[JakeBarnes]

Iran negotiated and started complying. But then the US tore up the treaty because reasons. Would you come to the negotiation table again? Why would you believe that any of them would be honored or be in good faith anyway.



The US only has threat of force now. Our word doesn't mean much anymore.

This is not an endorsement of the Iranian regime, but if you were in that position you'd probably prefer not to waste your time either.

This is the most frustrating part. Maybe this wasn't ever preventable. But at one point we had a deal and oversight. But that deal was torn up because of nothing other than vanity.

[Uncle Rico]

From a complete realpolitik point of view, our alliance with Israel has given us absolutely nothing of value. One could argue that it has actually been more harmful than helpful to our long term interests.

It's been very helpful for political fundraising

[Jockey]

This is where I'm at, and despite what Muggs' mentalist capabilities would tell you, I'm fairly hawkish in thinking the US should support Israel with treasure and weapons as far as it wants to take its fight with Iran.

But by most accounts, the only thing the US brought to the table that Israel didn't here was bunker busters, and Israel probably had the capacity to take out the remaining sites, but without bunker busters that was just going to require strategic ground forces. Okay? Go for it if you want and we'll give you what we can. But this just seems like directly involving US forces for the sole purpose of preserving Israeli military assets. Which I don't understand at all.

This might br very reasonable thinking IF last night was the end point of this.

But we know it isn't. We have no plan for where this goes from here. We will strictly be reactive.

[Scoop Snoop]

This might br very reasonable thinking IF last night was the end point of this.

But we know it isn't. We have no plan for where this goes from here. We will strictly be reactive.

Bingo!

[Uncle Rico]

This might br very reasonable thinking IF last night was the end point of this.

But we know it isn't. We have no plan for where this goes from here. We will strictly be reactive.

We have a big, beautiful plan.  The greatest plan ever.