Amadou in the portal

[panda2.0]

Uh. No. We are showing you the folly of your ways and you are digging in on a bad opinion because you either can't admit your opinion was bad, or because you don't really understand college basketball. So which is it?

Tell me why 12 and 8 is a bad guesstimate?

[Hards Alumni]

Please tell me what was wrong with my opinion ? I still don't see an issue with the answer I gave which ultimately is an opinion which you are correct, is fairly arbitrary. I didn't base it on anything except what in my head st that particular second I believe a bruiser big to average his late junior and senior year.

Also how am I back tracking? And why are you worried about this ?

When you write something on the internet as an opinion and it doesn't make logical sense, expect to be challenged on that opinion.

This is a message board where we discuss Marquette basketball.  If you want to discuss it, that's great, we all do.  But if you come in with a balloon-animal-ass opinion, expect to be treated like a clown.

[panda2.0]

When you write something on the internet as an opinion and it doesn't make logical sense, expect to be challenged on that opinion.

This is a message board where we discuss Marquette basketball.  If you want to discuss it, that's great, we all do.  But if you come in with a balloon-animal-ass opinion, expect to be treated like a clown.

Once again, why is it unrealistic to expect 12 and 8 for a four year bruising big ?

What is your projection?

[The Sultan]

Tell me why 12 and 8 is a bad guesstimate?

It might be fine as an estimate for what he will achieve. But you stated that was your definition of a "major contributor." We are pointing out why your definition is foolish.

[Hards Alumni]

Once again, why is it unrealistic to expect 12 and 8 for a four year bruising big ?

What is your projection?

I have none.  I expect nothing so then I can't be disappointed.

12 and 8 would be great, but I wouldn't consider him a failure if he doesn't meet those numbers.

[panda2.0]

It might be fine as an estimate for what he will achieve. But you stated that was your definition of a "major contributor." We are pointing out why your definition is foolish.

Why would Shaka carry a player, to put it very kindly - is extremely raw, for what will be five years, if he doesn't turn into a significant contributor?

[Hards Alumni]

Why would Shaka carry a player, to put it very kindly - is extremely raw, for what will be five years, if he doesn't turn into a significant contributor?

Every team needs role players.  Not everyone turns into a stud.

[panda2.0]

Every team needs role players.  Not everyone turns into a stud.

It's detrimental to roster building to carry a project type like him for 3 years before he can contribute in this day and age. This year we needed a big who could play. Amadou, Clark and Hamilton blocked the ability to make us more competitive.

[panda2.0]

Every team needs role players.  Not everyone turns into a stud.

It's detrimental to roster building to carry a project type like him for 3 years before he can contribute in this day and age. This year we needed a big who could play. Amadou, Clark and Hamilton blocked the ability to make us more competitive.

I have none.  I expect nothing so then I can't be disappointed.

12 and 8 would be great, but I wouldn't consider him a failure if he doesn't meet those numbers.

Lots of hand wringing over this topic for you to not have any expectation. Maybe sit it out.

[Hards Alumni]

It's detrimental to roster building to carry a project type like him for 3 years before he can contribute in this day and age. This year we needed a big who could play. Amadou, Clark and Hamilton blocked the ability to make us more competitive.
Lots of hand wringing over this topic for you to not have any expectation. Maybe sit it out.

Not having expectations disqualify me from discussing this topic?  You sure do have a lot of opinions.

[The Sultan]

Why would Shaka carry a player, to put it very kindly - is extremely raw, for what will be five years, if he doesn't turn into a significant contributor?

<sigh>

I feel like I'm debating a toddler.

[rocky_warrior]

<sigh>

I feel like I'm debating a toddler.

It's the internet.  You might be!

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I'd cut the whole team but that's just me

He's off to a good start, booting Kam, Stevie, and Jop to the curb.

[panda2.0]

<sigh>

I feel like I'm debating a toddler.

Still I'm not sure why aside from relationships, growth and victory.

[TallTitan34]

It's detrimental to roster building to carry a project type like him for 3 years before he can contribute in this day and age.

I would argue it makes even more sense these days now that you can have 15 scholarships.

[wadesworld]

But if you come in with a balloon-animal-ass opinion, expect to be treated like a clown.

Just came here to say, this is awesome.

[Pakuni]

I would argue it makes even more sense these days now that you can have 15 scholarships.

More sense for the program, less sense for the player. Sitting 2+ years is an odd choice when you can go play significant minutes at a mid-major with an eye toward making yourself a hot commodity in the portal.

[wadesworld]

I would argue it makes even more sense these days now that you can have 15 scholarships.

Bingo.  Clark signed with Marquette on May 10, 2024.  I'm guessing Shaka looked into other options for the final scholarship, and at that point the best option was to sign a raw big.  Caedin committed to Marquette on August 1.  Same story.  We currently have 2 open scholarships to play with.

The idea that these guys are eating up scholarships that would've otherwise gone to Ryan Conwell and Cliff Omoruyi is just not reality.

[MUBurrow]

I have none.  I expect nothing so then I can't be disappointed.

12 and 8 would be great, but I wouldn't consider him a failure if he doesn't meet those numbers.

Just here to post Davante Gardner stats:
So - 9.5 and 5.2 in 19.1 minutes
Jr - 11.5 and 4.8 in 21.4 minutes
Sr - 14.9 and 5.7 in 26.6 minutes

Never turned into a significant contributor. Should have been #buzzcut.

[Shaka Shart]

No wonder Pandas are endangered

[Hards Alumni]

No wonder Pandas are endangered

They are extremely dumb animals and don't even really know how to reproduce.

[The Sultan]

They are extremely dumb animals and don't even really know how to reproduce.

And eat bamboo, a plant almost completely devoid of nutrition.

[Galway Eagle]

Just here to post Davante Gardner stats:
So - 9.5 and 5.2 in 19.1 minutes
Jr - 11.5 and 4.8 in 21.4 minutes
Sr - 14.9 and 5.7 in 26.6 minutes

Never turned into a significant contributor. Should have been #buzzcut.

That was Derrick Wilson's fault not buzz

[MuMark]

How many centers at Marquette ( apples to apples comparison to Hamilton) have averaged 12 and 8 over the last 20 years?

Ellenson did but I think we'd all agree that he was more forward than center and as a one and done McDonald's AA I'm not sure it's a fair comparison.

I mean the list of all players is pretty damn slim.......Justin Lewis and Robert Jackson were close enough to the 8 rebounds that you could round it up and I'd give it to you( Jackson doesn't make the 20 year filter) but he seems to be the last one.

Gardner? No
Luke Fischer? No
Theo? No
Oso? No

I think it's a silly standard but it fits your narrative........Crowl from UW would by any reasonable standard be considered " a significant contributor) ..... he played for 5 years on mostly good teams.......he started 4 of those years.....he never averaged 12 points and 8 rebounds in any season. He was close a couple of seasons but did he do it? No he did not.

[panda2.0]

Let's go back to the original point. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. I will eat my column if Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor for Marquette.

What does everyone view as an achievable statistical goal for Hamilton to reach to become what they consider a significant contributor?