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[Bahama]

Let's go back to the original point. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. I will eat my column if Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor for Marquette.

What does everyone view as an achievable statistical goal for Hamilton to reach to become what they consider a significant contributor?

Weren't you the guy saying Sean Jones was going to the portal earlier this month?

[panda2.0]

Weren't you the guy saying Sean Jones was going to the portal earlier this month?

Stay tuned

[MU82]

Let's go back to the original point. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. I will eat my column if Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor for Marquette.

Your original point was foolish, and you were repeatedly dunked on with more ferocity than Ja dunked on Joey.

And then, as usual, you couldn't admit you were wrong.

See, here's how it's done ...

I made a comment in which I referred to Ejiofor as a "project big." I shouldn't have. As a few Scoopers pointed out, he was never what most people would define as a project big, even if he didn't live up to his HS ranking during his first two college seasons. It was an error on my part - wasn't my first, won't be my last.

There. That wasn't very difficult. You should try it sometime!

[Johnny B]

Let's go back to the original point. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. I will eat my column if Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor for Marquette.

What does everyone view as an achievable statistical goal for Hamilton to reach to become what they consider a significant contributor?

You shouldn't have put the 12 and 8 thing to qualify for significant contribution. idk how to define but I think we can all more or less intuit what it means for a player. And I agree Hamilton is a horizon league back up.

[SaveOD238]

Let's go back to the original point. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. I will eat my column if Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor for Marquette.

What does everyone view as an achievable statistical goal for Hamilton to reach to become what they consider a significant contributor?

Players can have all sorts of different statistical profiles in order to be considered "significant contributors."  But I think the easiest way to define it is MINUTES.

Top 7 (maybe top 8, depending on how deep the rotation is) in minutes played is probably the cutoff for significant contributor.

[Galway Eagle]

How many centers at Marquette ( apples to apples comparison to Hamilton) have averaged 12 and 8 over the last 20 years?

Ellenson did but I think we'd all agree that he was more forward than center and as a one and done McDonald's AA I'm not sure it's a fair comparison.

I mean the list of all players is pretty damn slim.......Justin Lewis and Robert Jackson were close enough to the 8 rebounds that you could round it up and I'd give it to you( Jackson doesn't make the 20 year filter) but he seems to be the last one.

Gardner? No
Luke Fischer? No
Theo? No
Oso? No

This explains why Marquette has been terrible for so long.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I think you're confused. He asked ME to define what MY opinion of a significant contributor. Not yours.

Then MU82 and Vander blue man group, both part of my bonafide bozo's group on this page, listed players who are nothing like what Caedin profiles as. Of course oso, Novak and diener wont average the numbers I said for caedin. That's a false equivalency.

Hey dummy, Caedin is a 5.  I specifically mentioned Oso, who was also a 5.  His last two seasons Oso went 11/6 and 13/7, neither of which qualified by your "standard.

You:

[Shaka Shart]

They are extremely dumb animals and don't even really know how to reproduce.

Yes that's what I insinuated

[MuMark]

Best of luck to Luke

https://x.com/goldeneagles247/status/1905706094158352894?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw

[panda2.0]

Hey dummy, Caedin is a 5.  I specifically mentioned Oso, who was also a 5.  His last two seasons Oso went 11/6 and 13/7, neither of which qualified by your "standard.

You:

Why so much anger? Just remember, it's easy to be happy and kind.

I believe and I would think many here would as well, Caedin and Oso are very different profiles of players. I don't see Caedin ever evolving into the role Oso played his JR/SR year. Caedin will be limited to grinding under the hoop for boards and scoring easy dump off buckets. Totally different player than Oso even though as you mentioned, they do play the same position.

[BM1090]

Stay tuned

Assume you'll give a full apology and say you were wrong when you turn out to be.

[tower912]

Going into the sepia tinted past, am I the only one who sees Caedin as a taller Burke and Clark as a taller Barro?  Neither met the statistical threshold set up, but both contributed.  Being able to sub Ooze for Burke wouldn't suck.  Know your role, do your job.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Why so much anger? Just remember, it's easy to be happy and kind.

I believe and I would think many here would as well, Caedin and Oso are very different profiles of players. I don't see Caedin ever evolving into the role Oso played his JR/SR year. Caedin will be limited to grinding under the hoop for boards and scoring easy dump off buckets. Totally different player than Oso even though as you mentioned, they do play the same position.

LOL.  I'm not angry and my response was in regards to you referring to me and MU82 as "bozo's".  I was fun to watch the rest of you the board dunk on your for your awful take, though.

I think it's fair to compare to 5s in terms of production even if they don't have similar styles. 

The point is Oso is an all-timer yet he didn't meet your "standards" in terms of how you defined a significant contributor. 

Perhaps Caiden averages 8/4 as an upperclassman rotation big in 18-20 minutes a game.  To me, that would be a significant contribution. 

To be clear, Caiden may never approach those numbers - he's got a long way to go to be a productive player.  It's reasonable to believe he won't become a significant contributor.  It's also reasonable not to give up on the possibility of that happening with 3 more years of eligibility remaining. 

[BM1090]

Going into the sepia tinted past, am I the only one who sees Caedin as a taller Burke and Clark as a taller Barro?  Neither met the statistical threshold set up, but both contributed.  Being able to sub Ooze for Burke wouldn't suck.  Know your role, do your job.

I don't see Burke with Caedin. But I do agree. If they both can become rotation bigs, we could do a lot worse at the 5. If what you describe comes to fruition that'd be our best situation at the 5 this millennium, besides Oso.

[MuMark]

You could certainly see Clark becoming some version of Kur.........not a big scorer but a rotation piece and elite shot blocker.

It's just so hard to make projections on how someone will adapt or look 3 or 4 years down the road.

[panda2.0]

LOL.  I'm not angry and my response was in regards to you referring to me and MU82 as "bozo's".  I was fun to watch the rest of you the board dunk on your for your awful take, though.

I think it's fair to compare to 5s in terms of production even if they don't have similar styles. 

The point is Oso is an all-timer yet he didn't meet your "standards" in terms of how you defined a significant contributor. 

Perhaps Caiden averages 8/4 as an upperclassman rotation big in 18-20 minutes a game.  To me, that would be a significant contribution. 

To be clear, Caiden may never approach those numbers - he's got a long way to go to be a productive player.  It's reasonable to believe he won't become a significant contributor.  It's also reasonable not to give up on the possibility of that happening with 3 more years of eligibility remaining. 

I don't think it's a productive exercise to compare two players with wildly different skillsets.

[Hards Alumni]

Why so much anger? Just remember, it's easy to be happy and kind.

I believe and I would think many here would as well, Caedin and Oso are very different profiles of players. I don't see Caedin ever evolving into the role Oso played his JR/SR year. Caedin will be limited to grinding under the hoop for boards and scoring easy dump off buckets. Totally different player than Oso even though as you mentioned, they do play the same position.

Cade is a great passer.  He isn't a great ball handler though.  My opinion is that we've seen spot minutes for him, and the game will slow down for him and he will find more consistent looks underneath.  He was in his first year this year!  Give him some time before you give up on him.  None of this is guaranteed, but as I mentioned in another thread, many people write off some of our guys way too early.  No one expected anything of Oso, and look how he turned out!

Either way, 6'9 245lb dudes don't grow on trees, and there is plenty of room for him.

[MuMark]

In Oso's first 2 seasons at MU his offensive rebound rate was lower than Caden's was last season......his defensive rebound rate was slightly better and surprisingly his assist rate was lower. Block rates were similar.

Obviously very small sample for Hamilton but Oso didn't really come into his own as a playmaker until his junior season.

Obviously big difference in athleticism and quickness..........biggest problem for Hamilton is he didn't finish around the rim nearly good enough........can he learn to use his body better and become a better shooter?

Without the athleticism it will be harder for him but that doesn't mean he can't carve out a role.

[tower912]

Oso played 38 minutes as a freshman.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Hamilton has a long way to go but he's promising.  Not a stiff.  I can totally see him becoming a contributor. 

[Markusquette]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rB9ZcNAfnI

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Cade is a great passer.  He isn't a great ball handler though.  My opinion is that we've seen spot minutes for him, and the game will slow down for him and he will find more consistent looks underneath.  He was in his first year this year!  Give him some time before you give up on him.  None of this is guaranteed, but as I mentioned in another thread, many people write off some of our guys way too early.  No one expected anything of Oso, and look how he turned out!

Either way, 6'9 245lb dudes don't grow on trees, and there is plenty of room for him.

Caedin can't jump so hopefully as the game slows down for him he can learn to use his size, strength and footwork to score around the hoop.

I saw what you did as far as the passing but it's clear he wasn't comfortable.  Needs to improve his hands as well. 

I have no issue using a scholarship on him, especially with 15 at our disposal. 

[Hards Alumni]

Caedin can't jump so hopefully as the game slows down for him he can learn to use his size, strength and footwork to score around the hoop.

I saw what you did as far as the passing but it's clear he wasn't comfortable.  Needs to improve his hands as well. 

I have no issue using a scholarship on him, especially with 15 at our disposal. 

Yep.  Yeah he jumps about as well as Davante Gardner did.

[MU82]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rB9ZcNAfnI

Difficult to hear with all the gunfire in the background.

Darn you, Milwaukee!

[Scoop Snoop]

Yep.  Yeah he jumps about as well as Davante Gardner did.

Ha! The guy Buzz described as "a really fat guy who can score".