Will we ever be happy?

[HutchwasClutch]

If you want to be happy with fifth place in a mediocre Big East and a first-round loss to a double-digit seed, nobody is stopping you.

Very debatable if mediocre is best description.  Sitting here tonight, looks very doubtful one team makes the second weekend.  After one team seeded better than a 7.  Hard to describe that as mediocre. 

[HutchwasClutch]

It is unusual a fanbase's displeasure after a 5-8 record from Feb 1 until the end of the season, with two of those wins coming at home against Seton Hall and DePaul.  You just can't please some people.  High time these unrealistic expectations are tempered down.

[Shaka Shart]

I avoided scoop after the loss and havnt read anything after but I can safely say we don't have enough white point guards who take charges

[mu_hilltopper]

I've stopped caring about regular season success, which is problematic.

I care about 3 teams, Twins, Vikings, and Warriors.  All of them often have great regular seasons, only to completely fail in the post-season.

It's all Arby's at this point.

[willie warrior]

If that's our down year? Yeah, I'll be happy with that.

This fanbase is so full of whiny, unrealistic babies.

Is that our down year? Or what about next year.

[Uncle Rico]

No

[Pakuni]

If that's our down year? Yeah, I'll be happy with that.

This fanbase is so full of whiny, unrealistic babies.

None more whiny than those who whine about other fans.

It's OK to acknowledge that Shaka didn't do his best work this year. He admitted as much himself. Doesn't mean you want him fired (I don't). Doesn't mean he's on the hot seat (he's not). Doesn't mean you're not thrilled with the overall body of his work (I am).
It doesn't make you a bad fan and it's not whining to give an honest assessment of the past season.

If you choose not to do that and give Shaka a pass on this year, that's fine. Fan however you want to fan.

[tower912]

None more whiny than those who whine about other fans.

Nah.  None more whiny than whiny fans who get called out for being whiny and then make their accusers point for them.

[HutchwasClutch]

Nah.  None more whiny than whiny fans who get called out for being whiny and then make their accusers point for them.

Passive aggressive people speak from their hearts abundance, don't they. 

[tower912]

 I flat out say openly and clearly that I don't like whining.  That is my heart's abundance.  I do not like cheerless and fearful.  Also, my heart's abundance.

[Pakuni]

Nah.  None more whiny than whiny fans who get called out for being whiny and then make their accusers point for them.

What have I written that's whiny, tower?
Examples, please.

[HutchwasClutch]

I flat out say openly and clearly that I don't like whining.  That is my heart's abundance.  I do not like cheerless and fearful.  Also, my heart's abundance.

In your typical passive aggressive manner posing as benevolent.

[Uncle Rico]

I flat out say openly and clearly that I don't like whining.  That is my heart's abundance.  I do not like cheerless and fearful.  Also, my heart's abundance.

Tower-

Marquette fans deserve better than what they have gotten.  It's ok to admit the Shaka era is an error and we cut bait sooner than later.  We are trending down and the players he has recruited just aren't good enough for the fans who demand excellence.

You find joy in the journey and the process when the only joy comes from winning.  Fans pour their heart and souls into the team with an over abundance of enthusiasm and positivity.  They deserve the wins more than the team in true actuality.

Some of have been fans since Tex Winters was here.  That's a really long time!  They'll be dead soon and they won't have a second national championship they deserve for their loyalty.  That is sad.

[tower912]

Well done.

[willie warrior]

And if you want to mope about a 23 win season, that is your right.

And if you want to dissemble this flame out season as successful, that is your right. Others want and expect better than 5th in conference and one and done in Dance. MUCH BETTER Maybe next year, or will there be more falling back? We need some studs.

[brewcity77]

No.

Post of the thread. Could've shut it down at this point.

[willie warrior]

How many ballers?  For next year?  4 probably. 

Have to agree with Muggsy here. Perhaps some of the 4 coming in will be studs. We will find out early because some will need to play.

[panda2.0]

I'm unhappy we didn't go out and get more help in the off season for an all American guard and two seniors who poured their heart and soul into this team and university.

[wadesworld]

None more whiny than those who whine about other fans.

It's OK to acknowledge that Shaka didn't do his best work this year. He admitted as much himself. Doesn't mean you want him fired (I don't). Doesn't mean he's on the hot seat (he's not). Doesn't mean you're not thrilled with the overall body of his work (I am).
It doesn't make you a bad fan and it's not whining to give an honest assessment of the past season.

If you choose not to do that and give Shaka a pass on this year, that's fine. Fan however you want to fan.

Has anybody here said this was Shaka's best year? You aren't okay finishing 4th in the Big East, a 7 seed in the Tournament, and a first round exit ever. You sound like a whiny baby, given that that never has been some kind of unacceptable year in the last 50 years of the program. If that's the highlight year for a coach? Sure. But this is the lowlight of Shaka's time here, assuming fans are reasonable enough to understand that getting a team to the Tourney in year 1 was an accomplishment and not something to be "unhappy" about. Then again, we're probably all CoS if we were okay with those results too.

According to Scoop, this is the first time in a long time (maybe ever?) MU has made the Tournament 4 years in a row. And it's been Shaka's first 4 seasons. People asking if we "have to be happy" with a 7 seed and questioning the identity of the MU program because we had a "down" year sound like whiny babies. Of course I'd love to be a 2 seed or better every year, and outperform that 2 seed every year. That's unrealistic as can be. We're not Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC, etc., and those programs even have "down" years.

Was our season one to celebrate? Not really. But if this is what a down year is for Shaka is that something to be happy about? Unless you like being miserable, yes. This is an awesome down year for the program. Sorry you don't like that but it's absurd to pretend our program is above being a 7 seed or finishing tied for 4th in the Big East sometimes.

[Miss Katie’s]

Will Arby's ever open at the Fiserv?

[tower912]

MU has made the tournament more than 4 season in a row.  3 amigos first season (2 NCAA tourney wins in 4 years for them, by the way) until Buzz's final season.  The 98 wins in 4 seasons is the best since the McGuire years.
   And, to be fair, going back to the early days of message boards in general and scoop specifically, fans and posters have never been satisfied.
 Crean couldn't recruit bigs, had a playbookk full of plays and only ran a 3 man weave, and was clueless against a zone.  Then he had the gall to leave.
  Buzz was shady, never installed the offense until a few games into the season, relied too heavily on JUCO's at the expense of high schoolers.
  Wojo never outgrew his Duke roots, couldn't recruit athletic switchables, couldn't coach defense, couldn't adjust.
 
Nothing has changed.   Posters criticizing the coach and each other.  The circle of life.

[Pakuni]

Has anybody here said this was Shaka's best year? You aren't okay finishing 4th in the Big East, a 7 seed in the Tournament, and a first round exit ever. You sound like a whiny baby, given that that never has been some kind of unacceptable year in the last 50 years of the program. If that's the highlight year for a coach? Sure. But this is the lowlight of Shaka's time here, assuming fans are reasonable enough to understand that getting a team to the Tourney in year 1 was an accomplishment and not something to be "unhappy" about. Then again, we're probably all CoS if we were okay with those results too.

According to Scoop, this is the first time in a long time (maybe ever?) MU has made the Tournament 4 years in a row. And it's been Shaka's first 4 seasons. People asking if we "have to be happy" with a 7 seed and questioning the identity of the MU program because we had a "down" year sound like whiny babies. Of course I'd love to be a 2 seed or better every year, and outperform that 2 seed every year. That's unrealistic as can be. We're not Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC, etc., and those programs even have "down" years.

Was our season one to celebrate? Not really. But if this is what a down year is for Shaka is that something to be happy about? Unless you like being miserable, yes. This is an awesome down year for the program. Sorry you don't like that but it's absurd to pretend our program is above being a 7 seed or finishing tied for 4th in the Big East sometimes.

You're ranting about a bunch of stuff I never wrote.

Being happy with the results isn't what makes you CoS. What makes you CoS is that you respond with personal attacks and namecalling to even the mildest of criticism of anything he does. It's f--cking weird, dude.

[BLWarrior91]

The longest tournament streaks for Marquette are 10 (71-80), 8 (06-13), and 4 (22-25).  Al and Hank would've had a streak of 13 straight had they accepted the bid in 1970. 

Only Buzz and Shaka made the tournament in their first four years.  But Buzz inherited a program that was loaded and made three straight tournaments under Crean. 

[wadesworld]

The longest tournament streaks for Marquette are 10 (71-80), 8 (06-13), and 4 (22-25).  Al and Hank would've had a streak of 13 straight had they accepted the bid in 1970. 

Only Buzz and Shaka made the tournament in their first four years.  But Buzz inherited a program that was loaded and made three straight tournaments under Crean. 

Got it. Thank you.

[wadesworld]

You're ranting about a bunch of stuff I never wrote.

Being happy with the results isn't what makes you CoS. What makes you CoS is that you respond with personal attacks and namecalling to even the mildest of criticism of anything he does. It's f--cking weird, dude.

If you're offended by being called a baby then stop whining like a baby over what was a good but not great season.