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tower912

#2225
They aren't point guards.   They are 2-3-4's


I see injuries, foul trouble, fatigue for the MU sophomore guard tandem.   I love them to death, but they cannot play 40.  Not the style they play.

I cannot see the logic in assuming that Nash, Ian, Egbuono can initiate the offense.    As in, freshmen who aren't true PGs can fill in a position they don't play and initiate offense.   But a 4 star RS big can't handle minutes at the 5.

I'm not the one with logic and consistency problems.

I expect two guards and a big.   As I have said all along.   I prioritize guard play and depth more than I do post play.  As I have for a very long time.
In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

The Sultan

Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 02:44:51 PMHow do you not understand that I am saying two guards and a big.  That I worry more about having bad guard depth than I do about meh bigs.  That MU has won with meh bigs but never with meh guards.  That guard injuries are pretty common at MU.   As is making the tournament without great bigs?

I am arguing the principle that good teams start with good guard play and I want more depth.

I am actually flummoxed and gobsmacked that this is even being debated.

I think the issue is that neither Hamilton nor Clark rise to the level of "meh."

They're bad.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

nyg

Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 03:02:04 PMThey aren't point guards.  They are 2-3-4's

Can they dribble the ball and are competent enough to play in order to rest James and Stevens. But then again if an injury happens.... :D Thats the purpose, like I said Shaka will bring in a guard who can play both the one and two. Or are they going to be stapled to the bench.  If bench, then Shaka might lose another class like the Amadou, Norman, Hamilton and Lowery disaster class. Will be a good discussion in a month

GoldenEagles03

Now this is going to be one of the ones that is worth whatever he gets.

https://x.com/i/status/2041247641586037103
VIOLENCE!

panda

Quote from: nyg on April 06, 2026, 02:57:40 PMWhen things go bad it is always the injury excuse as one of the factors. Just this year, Owens surgery prior to freshman year, Ross wrist and shoulder, Tre's shoulder and of course Gold's shin splints from August, 2023, and then his late season, not early ankle and supposedly ribs. It's as if MU players get an injury and they never heal.

Shaka will get a bigman, just a matter of who and when.  I still can't believe one of Clark and Hamilton have not entered portal, but it is early.  One of them will be a three minute a half player, the other at end of bench.  That of course if they both stay.

As far as this guard play issue, I must be missing something.  What's the matter with the two redshirts, Nash and Militec?  They now have one full year practicing with the  team.  Yeah, some will say, they are freshmen, but so were James and Stevens, but they had no one capable on bench, and that hurt. Can these guys play basketball as a decent guard to rest both starters?  I am also convinced Shaka will bring in an experienced portal player, but are the two redshirts that bad.

As of now:
One competent bigman who can rebound, make shots within three feet of hoop and not commit two fouls in four minutes.
One experienced guard
One experienced wing, not having the vibes on Owens

Fun to begin.

Hamilton very likely to stay 🤮🤮
Clark 50/50 to leave

WhiteTrash

Quote from: panda on April 06, 2026, 03:49:01 PMHamilton very likely to stay 🤮🤮
Clark 50/50 to leave
As long has Hamilton is only seen in mop-up duty, he can stay. Not ideal, but a situation MU can deal with. I assume he doesn't cost much $, and funds can be used for impact players.

SchnitzelBoy

We absolutely need back court help this offseason. Even if Tre Norman planned on returning, we'd need at least one ballhandler. I think we need 2 guards (at least one of them capable at PG) and a big. We need reliable bench minutes for Nigel and Adrien or they will burn out quickly and possibly get injured. It'd be awesome if Nash Walker can give you 10 solid minutes with efficient shooting, but we'll need to replace Sean and Tre's production regardless.

I don't see why we'd need to add a SF or PF when we have DO, MPIII, Ian Miletic, Royce Parham, Alex Egbuonu, and Sheek Pearson all being able to play 3-4.

SchnitzelBoy

Where are we hearing that Caedin Hamilton is likely to stay and Clark is likely leaving? That's the far less preferable outcome

The Sultan

Quote from: panda on April 06, 2026, 03:49:01 PMHamilton very likely to stay 🤮🤮
Clark 50/50 to leave

I guess I don't understand why it is up to these guys whether they stay or go, and also why it is taking this long.

I think JB is right that not filling all openings immediately is smart, because who knows might happen later in the summer, but regardless it's odd that such decisions haven't been entirely made yet.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 06, 2026, 03:59:10 PMWe absolutely need back court help this offseason. Even if Tre Norman planned on returning, we'd need at least one ballhandler. I think we need 2 guards (at least one of them capable at PG) and a big. We need reliable bench minutes for Nigel and Adrien or they will burn out quickly and possibly get injured. It'd be awesome if Nash Walker can give you 10 solid minutes with efficient shooting, but we'll need to replace Sean and Tre's production regardless.

I don't see why we'd need to add a SF or PF when we have DO, MPIII, Ian Miletic, Royce Parham, Alex Egbuonu, and Sheek Pearson all being able to play 3-4.
Gird your loins for attack.
In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 04:01:46 PMGird your loins for attack.

Sounds like something Muggsy would write.   
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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Jay Bee

Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 06, 2026, 03:57:57 PMAs long has Hamilton is only seen in mop-up duty, he can stay. Not ideal, but a situation MU can deal with. I assume he doesn't cost much $, and funds can be used for impact players.

I agree; however, I continue to believe there is something weird b/w shaka and 18 and I worry shaka will keep making bizarre decisions if 18 is back.

#Carousel
The portal is NOT closed.

mileskishnish72


MUDPT

MU just posted a practice highlight film with both Hamilton and Clark in it.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 06, 2026, 04:12:57 PMI agree; however, I continue to believe there is something weird b/w shaka and 18 and I worry shaka will keep making bizarre decisions if 18 is back.

#Carousel

I see your point. It will be very awkward/uncomfortable next season when/if 18 checks into a game. The "boos" will be pronounced.

wadesworld

Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 06, 2026, 04:31:47 PMI see your point. It will be very awkward/uncomfortable next season when/if 18 checks into a game. The "boos" will be pronounced.

No they won't.

Pakuni

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 06, 2026, 04:12:57 PMI agree; however, I continue to believe there is something weird b/w shaka and 18 and I worry shaka will keep making bizarre decisions if 18 is back.

#Carousel


Sunk cost fallacy in action.

Jay Bee

Terrence Brown 2 portal potty. Can't wait to see where he winds up. (Not MU... but could see a couple Big East schools who may check in).
The portal is NOT closed.


WhiteTrash


LAZER

Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 06, 2026, 03:59:10 PMWe absolutely need back court help this offseason. Even if Tre Norman planned on returning, we'd need at least one ballhandler. I think we need 2 guards (at least one of them capable at PG) and a big. We need reliable bench minutes for Nigel and Adrien or they will burn out quickly and possibly get injured. It'd be awesome if Nash Walker can give you 10 solid minutes with efficient shooting, but we'll need to replace Sean and Tre's production regardless.

I don't see why we'd need to add a SF or PF when we have DO, MPIII, Ian Miletic, Royce Parham, Alex Egbuonu, and Sheek Pearson all being able to play 3-4.
Because one guy in this list is a proven contributor.

#UnleashThePortal

Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 02:24:25 PMHow many MU teams have made the tourney with good guard play and meh bigs?

How many MU teams have made the tournament with good bigs and meh guards?

To me, it couldn't be simpler.

Why are you still comparing historical Marquette teams? Literally look at the teams who are GOOD now. They all have great bigs.

tower912

#2247
So did Purdue with Edey.  How DID UConn stop them with Edey going for 37? 

Guard play.  Smothering the Purdue guards.

You aren't wrong about quality bigs in the final 4.  Which ones do you think MU can afford?

Low major guard, mid major guard, preferably seniors with size who can play either position.   A mid major big, though I am open to 6'9 with similar skills to Royce who can play next to Royce.

If I were a betting man, Rubin or the equivalent.

Nobody else is leaving.

In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

panda

Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2026, 04:01:19 PMI guess I don't understand why it is up to these guys whether they stay or go, and also why it is taking this long.

I think JB is right that not filling all openings immediately is smart, because who knows might happen later in the summer, but regardless it's odd that such decisions haven't been entirely made yet.

It's not necessarily up to them. They love caedin's attitude and believe he can be a great locker room guy/practice player. Quite the opposite opinion on Clark. They want to make sure there's a spot available to fill if/when Clark leaves

tower912

The video on X that MUMark posted indicated that Josh is returning.  And shooting 3s.
In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

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