2025 Transfer Portal

[tower912]

An item the portal obsessives are choosing to ignore is money.  Under the current system, MU'S BTD fund is not keeping up with the $8-10 million club.  Again, I compare it to the Brewers or Packers.  You can say you want the Brewers to sign Shohei Ohtani.  But it isn't going to happen.  The going rate for a 5 or even stretch 4 good enough to start ahead of Gold or Parham is 7 figures.  BTD doesn't have a spare million laying around.  The market exploded and BTD is struggling to keep up.
The best or most that the BTD fund could afford is a Horizon or MAC player.  Remember, both Amadou and Itejere found homes in the A-10 quickly and easily.  The equivalent of one of those two with a year of starting at a low major is what you are looking at.

Give me relationships and growth. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

A competent big man moves gold to the wing and a back up point guard relegates Norman to mop up duty and allows Kam to play off the ball a bit more. 

More depth allows us compete more on the glass as well as more competent players. I'm not sure how you argue against this given our Wojo esque collapse in the second half of the season.

Again, the hypothetical portal big wouldn't have started.  So he moves Ben to the 4 for a handful of minutes a game and then takes away minutes from Joplin and Royce?  Not much of a help.  Our wing depth was fine. 

I'll grant you a backup PG would have allowed Kam to play off-the-ball more but it seems clear Shaka thought there was a solid chance Sean would be back and likely wanted to give Norman an opportunity. 

It's fair to argue that Shaka counting on Sean was a mistake (if that indeed was the case).

I still maintain adding back-up depth at the 1 and 5 likely wouldn't have raised the team's ceiling too much. 

[panda2.0]

This should tell you something.

Lots of groupthink here ?

[Hards Alumni]

Impossible because of Shaka's obsession with taking on completely unknown project bigs which limit roster mobility when the team needs help to raise their ceiling.

Okay, but if you don't have proof that the system he's pursuing doesn't work, then you should probably wait for evidence that it doesn't.

Just because YOU think Hamilton and Clark won't amount to anything doesn't mean they won't.  Shaka seems to have faith that they're coachable guys with size.  Clark is 7'1.  He hasn't played a single minute for Marquette yet, but you're ready to write him off.  Hamilton red shirted and then played for less than five minutes per game... basically the minutes that most Freshman get and you're ready to write him off.

Turn off your instant gratification needs that you've been conditioned towards and accept that this is the team that we're rolling out.  You don't KNOW if they're going to be good or bad until the games are played.  If at the end of the year Marquette has had a bad year and Cade and Josh had no impact or negative impact I'd imagine that Shaka would change his strategy.  If not, then go nuts with the criticism, because he's the coach and he owns the decision.

But right now, you don't know what next year brings, and crying about the portal endlessly as if this board had ANY control over the decision comes off as extremely silly.

[panda2.0]

Again, the hypothetical portal big wouldn't have started.  So he moves Ben to the 4 for a handful of minutes a game and then takes away minutes from Joplin and Royce?  Not much of a help.  Our wing depth was fine. 

I'll grant you a backup PG would have allowed Kam to play off-the-ball more but it seems clear Shaka thought there was a solid choice Sean would be back and likely wanted to give Norman an opportunity. 

It's fair to argue that Shaka counting on Sean was a mistake (if that indeed was the case).

I still maintain adding back-up depth at the 1 and 5 likely wouldn't have raised the team's ceiling too much. 

Depth on the front line would've helped during Ben's remarkably poor stretch during conference season.

Counting on Ben at the 5 and a freshman (albeit a very talented one) to cover 37 minutes a game was always a bad plan.

[panda2.0]

Okay, but if you don't have proof that the system he's pursuing doesn't work, then you should probably wait for evidence that it doesn't.

Just because YOU think Hamilton and Clark won't amount to anything doesn't mean they won't.  Shaka seems to have faith that they're coachable guys with size.  Clark is 7'1.  He hasn't played a single minute for Marquette yet, but you're ready to write him off.  Hamilton red shirted and then played for less than five minutes per game... basically the minutes that most Freshman get and you're ready to write him off.

Turn off your instant gratification needs that you've been conditioned towards and accept that this is the team that we're rolling out.  You don't KNOW if they're going to be good or bad until the games are played.  If at the end of the year Marquette has had a bad year and Cade and Josh had no impact or negative impact I'd imagine that Shaka would change his strategy.  If not, then go nuts with the criticism, because he's the coach and he owns the decision.

But right now, you don't know what next year brings, and crying about the portal endlessly as if this board had ANY control over the decision comes off as extremely silly.

The second half of last season is the first bit of proof of his system showing cracks. Next season will be the ultimate test.

Owens, Zaide, gold and mitchell were all banged up with jones out for the year. Amadou and Clark redshirts ate up scholarship opportunities for more pieces who can contribute while Hamilton proved every second he is on the floor he doesn't belong at this level.

Shaka fills up the back end of his roster with guys who can't contribute when additional players with college experience could push our current roster as well as supplement for the grind of a long season.

Competition breeds success. 

[The Sultan]

Impossible because of Shaka's obsession with taking on completely unknown project bigs which limit roster mobility when the team needs help to raise their ceiling.

We have scholarships available now regardless of the project bigs who you believe are a waste.

[jfp61]

Impossible because of Shaka's obsession with taking on completely unknown project bigs which limit roster mobility when the team needs help to raise their ceiling.

Oso was a project big.

And we havn't had a "big" as good as him in the last 18 years unless you include "jae crowder" being a 5 man.

The issue for next year team is guard play not the front court. The front court might not be "stacked" but its average to above average.

[panda2.0]

Oso was a project big.

And we havn't had a "big" as good as him in the last 18 years unless you include "jae crowder" being a 5 man.

The issue for next year team is guard play not the front court. The front court might not be "stacked" but its average to above average.

If you squint hard enough, you can see the difference.

https://247sports.com/player/osasere-ighodaro-46083527/high-school-234106/

https://247sports.com/player/joshua-clark-46149207/

https://247sports.com/player/caedin-hamilton-46143024/

[Jockey]

Lots of groupthink here ?

Isn't groupthink a SCOOP staple?

[panda2.0]

Isn't groupthink a SCOOP staple?

*scoopthink lol

[Hards Alumni]

The second half of last season is the first bit of proof of his system showing cracks. Next season will be the ultimate test.

Owens, Zaide, gold and mitchell were all banged up with jones out for the year. Amadou and Clark redshirts ate up scholarship opportunities for more pieces who can contribute while Hamilton proved every second he is on the floor he doesn't belong at this level.

Shaka fills up the back end of his roster with guys who can't contribute when additional players with college experience could push our current roster as well as supplement for the grind of a long season.

Competition breeds success. 

Yeah, so you're just a silly person.

[Uncle Rico]

The second half of last season is the first bit of proof of his system showing cracks. Next season will be the ultimate test.

Owens, Zaide, gold and mitchell were all banged up with jones out for the year. Amadou and Clark redshirts ate up scholarship opportunities for more pieces who can contribute while Hamilton proved every second he is on the floor he doesn't belong at this level.

Shaka fills up the back end of his roster with guys who can't contribute when additional players with college experience could push our current roster as well as supplement for the grind of a long season.

Competition breeds success. 

How many teams are playing with a rotation deeper than 7-8 in league play?

[Zog from Margo]

I'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.

A player in 2025 with no major offers out of high school will never be a HM player.

Couple that with the fact he redshirted with our sorry front line this year and I've never been so sure about anything in my life.

I get a kick out of your use of terms like "major" offers and "high major" players, because you will define those terms as suits your needs. In any event, I did a quick look and I do not see that Tyson Degenhart received an offer other than Boise St. He was first team All MWC and is projected to be drafted. Is he a HM player?

[brewcity77]

An item the portal obsessives are choosing to ignore is money.  Under the current system, MU'S BTD fund is not keeping up with the $8-10 million club.  Again, I compare it to the Brewers or Packers.  You can say you want the Brewers to sign Shohei Ohtani.  But it isn't going to happen.  The going rate for a 5 or even stretch 4 good enough to start ahead of Gold or Parham is 7 figures.  BTD doesn't have a spare million laying around.  The market exploded and BTD is struggling to keep up.

The best or most that the BTD fund could afford is a Horizon or MAC player.  Remember, both Amadou and Itejere found homes in the A-10 quickly and easily.  The equivalent of one of those two with a year of starting at a low major is what you are looking at.

Give me relationships and growth.

Very curious where you are getting that information, because I don't think it's true. I don't think Shaka's model is limited by what BTD can afford, I think what BTD is using on transfers is a product of Shaka's model.

I also think Broeker's email isn't indicative of the health of BTD. It's acknowledging that after the House settlement dust settles, we will likely be in a new environment where Marquette is paying players through revenue sharing, and it's letting fans know that there's no framework for that yet and they may need additional contributions under that new model.

If someone closer to BTD wants to correct this, feel free, but I feel confident saying Marquette's lack of spending in the transfer portal has very little to do with BTD's fiscal reserves and a great deal to do with Shaka's desire to build through a culture of retention that avoids both gaining new players via the portal and losing current players in the same way.

[muwarrior69]

An item the portal obsessives are choosing to ignore is money.  Under the current system, MU'S BTD fund is not keeping up with the $8-10 million club.  Again, I compare it to the Brewers or Packers.  You can say you want the Brewers to sign Shohei Ohtani.  But it isn't going to happen.  The going rate for a 5 or even stretch 4 good enough to start ahead of Gold or Parham is 7 figures.  BTD doesn't have a spare million laying around.  The market exploded and BTD is struggling to keep up.
The best or most that the BTD fund could afford is a Horizon or MAC player.  Remember, both Amadou and Itejere found homes in the A-10 quickly and easily.  The equivalent of one of those two with a year of starting at a low major is what you are looking at.

Give me relationships and growth.

So far, Marquette has retained its players, and as you have stated the market has exploded. My concern is in the future will there be enough money to keep our players from leaving for greener pastures. I think our current AD has those concerns as well. If BTD can only afford a MAC or Horizon player from the portal than that is what I would assume a HS recruit is being offered to play at MU. The next 2 or 3 seasons will reveal to us where the program stands nationally.

[Jay Bee]

My bro!!!

https://x.com/realpitino/status/1915445735908127035?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA

[jfp61]

If you squint hard enough, you can see the difference.

https://247sports.com/player/osasere-ighodaro-46083527/high-school-234106/

https://247sports.com/player/joshua-clark-46149207/

https://247sports.com/player/caedin-hamilton-46143024/

My guy loves his recruiting rankings...


Genius, check their rankings before each of them reclassified.

[The Sultan]

My guy loves his recruiting rankings...


Genius, check their rankings before each of them reclassified.

Exactly.

[panda2.0]

I get a kick out of your use of terms like "major" offers and "high major" players, because you will define those terms as suits your needs. In any event, I did a quick look and I do not see that Tyson Degenhart received an offer other than Boise St. He was first team All MWC and is projected to be drafted. Is he a HM player?

Very simple - teams like Boise state or many, many other programs who don't have the resources or national profile Marquette does need to take a chance on kids like degenhart because their evaluation pool is smaller.

Marquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.

Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.

[panda2.0]

My guy loves his recruiting rankings...


Genius, check their rankings before each of them reclassified.

Please enlighten me

[panda2.0]

Yeah, so you're just a silly person.

I expect those insults from others here but not from someone of your stature.

[panda2.0]

How many teams are playing with a rotation deeper than 7-8 in league play?

Short rotations = good

Short rotations = not good with multiple injuries and zero depth.

[Uncle Rico]

Short rotations = good

Short rotations = not good with multiple injuries and zero depth.

How many teams are surviving multiple injuries to rotation players and having quality depth behind that?

[Zog from Margo]

Very simple - teams like Boise state or many, many other programs who don't have the resources or national profile Marquette does need to take a chance on kids like degenhart because their evaluation pool is smaller.

Marquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.

Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.

Hahaha! I literally laughed out loud when I read your response. You get proven wrong and then try to dance out of it like a one-legged Ginger Rogers.