2025 Transfer Portal

[Jay Bee]

With roughly 25% of players exhausting their eligibility, that means 70% of 24-25 players will not be playing for the same school next season. 

Nah. Using these numbers is trash. You're double counting those in the portal who also exhausted their eligibility; and including a bunch of walk ons who didn't play much or at all and won't again next year. And the total, for that and other reasons, includes a ton of players who won't play for anyone next year. It's junky data.

[tower912]

You are saying that 2499 players aren't actually in the portal and that 25 % of players did not exhaust their eligibility?

Which numbers would you like to use?

[Jay Bee]

You are saying that 2499 players aren't actually in the portal and that 25 % of players did not exhaust their eligibility?

Which numbers would you like to use?

I'm saying a number of things. One of which is that the players in the portal INCLUDES a bunch who have already exhausted their eligibility. There are plenty of other data issues, but for now I'm talking about your double-count.

[tower912]

How many do you suppose there are?  Garcia is the obvious one that hits close to home for you.  Out of the 2499, do you suppose 1%? 10%?  Enough to fundamentally skew the numbers or just enough to cause you to vent?

[Jay Bee]

How many do you suppose there are?  Garcia is the obvious one that hits close to home for you.  Out of the 2499, do you suppose 1%? 10%?  Enough to fundamentally skew the numbers or just enough to cause you to vent?

A lot.

I think if you're going to use "2,499" you're getting quite specific (albeit inaccurate).

Dawson is a "unique" case, actually. There are several Gophers with no eligibility that are in the portal as well, as an example.

[tower912]

Take your beef about 2499 to MU 82 and Verbal commits.

[Jay Bee]

Take your beef about 2499 to MU 82 and Verbal commits.

I'm saying less than 50% of that figure will play D-I bball this coming season... and I'm outraged!

[MuMark]

I noticed one person that retweeted this.......Nigel James Sr.

https://x.com/painttouches/status/1915054328924262582?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

#FakeNews #Lies

When someone says, "Rice gets $3M from USC", what do you believe that means? I'm not just saying, 'no, USC can't give the player any $'.. I'm saying I don't believe the number and my question is: What is the basis for the figure?

A contract? Between what parties? Nope, don't think that's it.

Is it someone at USC telling the player and/or their agent, 'we will find a way to make sure you get around $3M'?? Is it someone at USC saying, 'we have talked to the folks at collective X, and they have assured us they are committed to getting you $3M"??

What does "Rice gets $3M from USC" mean? It's b.s. What is the source, what is the basis?

Clearly there are many issues around cheating, tax status, etc... but I'm not even getting into that -- I'm just saying these 'reports' are based on b.s.

Will we see in the future kids pissed -- who either sit out or transfer - because what "they got" didn't turn out to be what they actually got? I think we already have seen that.

It's an ugly situation, but I can be settled if there's a yearly release of a great college bball video game. Then they can do whatever nonsense they want.

But I'm certainly not going to parrot dipsh1ts claiming certain dollar amounts. It's nonsense.

Anyway, was thinking about what's one of the next dumb things to happen.. after seeing all these guys with exhausted competition eligibility telling admins at their school that they want to be added to the transfer portal. lol

...it's a bit scary, and ugly, but I think it can happen and I'm not sure it's a bad argument from the kids' perspective:

Despite most saying, 'the portal closes on x date', it's not closed. The 30-day notification window closes... that's it. There are tons of kids with no certain home at this point and many months to decide.

I think we will see kids demanding they be allowed immediate eligibility despite entering the portal outside of the notification window. The days of 'student-athlete' and worrying about their studies first is out the window. The days of committing to an institution are largely done. So, 'protecting the student' arguments are weaker than they ever have been.

Scenario: School X as of today has a lineup you can reasonably project. Player A is looking forward to big minutes at point guard. Then, in June.. or May, July, August, etc... School X finds a player they like in the portal who finally agrees to come to their school. Player A is looking at intense competition, and fears they will struggle to get playing time now after this June transfer. At this point, they would not be eligible for the vanilla no-year-in-residence requirement. But, they are kinda eff'd by the transfer system setup and what their school did well after the notification window closed. 

...or you will have a Player A who decides in July they want more money.. and makes up an excuse of some low level transfer that occurred in June... as their reason they may want to leave. They tell School X 'gimme the loot'... and explore other options. They find a different home in July, and raise holy hell with the NCAA demanding immediate eligibility.

Ugly, ugly stuff.

But anyway, the "oh yeah he got $3M"... if someone knows the basis and why that's reasonable to accept as fact, let me know.

Like I said, pedantic. It's a lot quicker to say "PLAYER got X from SCHOOL" then that word salad. It's generally understood that theres nuance that is unimportant to random basketball fans.

But I do genuinely appreciate you spelling out the nuances. Its a lot more interesting than "FAKE NEWS LIES"

[Jay Bee]

Like I said, pedantic. It's a lot quicker to say "PLAYER got X from SCHOOL" then that word salad. It's generally understood that theres nuance that is unimportant to random basketball fans.

But I do genuinely appreciate you spelling out the nuances. Its a lot more interesting than "FAKE NEWS LIES"

It's. But no - it's not pedantic. What is the basis to say $3 million? Is it "we will work to try to get you that"? Is it "we think you can earn that"? Is it made up and/or rounded based on he said, she said?

These are not nuances. 

[MuMark]

Boosters>collective>player

Isn't that how the money is being allocated now?

That has been my understanding.........although admittedly this all bores the crap out of me so maybe I just don't understand all the nuances of the current environment.

And when the boosters fail to come through....or the coach misleads certain players.....who knows the truth of it? There will be lawyers.....

https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/6-former-florida-state-basketball-players-sue-coach-over-failed-nil-payments/

[BCHoopster]

It's. But no - it's not pedantic. What is the basis to say $3 million? Is it "we will work to try to get you that"? Is it "we think you can earn that"? Is it made up and/or rounded based on he said, she said?

These are not nuances. 

How you think his new teammates think about this?

[Jay Bee]

How you think his new teammates think about this?

Probably not much when the coach tells them, "lol the public is gullible af. What a bunch of idiots!"

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It's. But no - it's not pedantic. What is the basis to say $3 million? Is it "we will work to try to get you that"? Is it "we think you can earn that"? Is it made up and/or rounded based on he said, she said?

These are not nuances. 

To the player and his agent? You're absolutely right.

To randos on the internet? Unimportant nuance

[Jay Bee]

To the player and his agent? You're absolutely right.

To randos on the internet? Unimportant nuance

I guess that's the point — it's nonsense b.s. with no good basis. So when people here parrot it as fact, I note that it's not.

[GoldenEagles03]

I'll start w/Tre. Move on to Caedin. Want another?

Why wouldn't they return?

[Uncle Rico]

Probably not much when the coach tells them, "lol the public is gullible af. What a bunch of idiots!"

Speaking of, some people think players commit to schools and not coaches

[Uncle Rico]

How you think his new teammates think about this?

Probably the same as people in jobs working with people that make more than them

[Jay Bee]

Speaking of, some people think players commit to schools and not coaches

They contractually did. So the basis was a contract. PS...

The days of 'student-athlete' and worrying about their studies first is out the window. The days of committing to an institution are largely done. So, 'protecting the student' arguments are weaker than they ever have been.

[We R Final Four]

Why wouldn't they return?

Viper wants us to be more like Wisco........recruit over players for the next best thing coming down the line.

[muwarrior69]

Don't mean to be snarky at all...how do you define competing for a championship? Can you provide measurable criteria for this?

Having the same financial resources as the large football schools.

[The Sultan]

Having the same financial resources as the large football schools.

We haven't had the same financial resources as the large football schools for a long time. If ever.

[Billy Hoyle]

Viper wants us to be more like Wisco........recruit over players for the next best thing coming down the line.

Man, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?

[We R Final Four]

Man, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?

You think that Shaka thinks it's about being holy and good and better than others?

[wadesworld]

Man, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?

Call Shaka and ask him.