2025 Transfer Portal

[The Sultan]

I'm not sure you took the right takeaways from Glengarry Glen Ross.

See, that was funny right there!

[Its DJOver]

past success doesn't necessarily guarantee future success. You can see the trend.

A trend of 20+ win seasons ending with tournament appearances? That's the only trend I see.

Don't you agree that if it's status quo in terms of recruiting and retention, we'll ultimately end up with new steak knives at year end rather than Cadillacs.

If it continues to work, it will continue to happen.  It has continued to work so far, if that changes, either Shaka will change or he will gain critics here. Until That happens, yes

Some folks are ok with that.

and they should be.

[MU82]

It's like performance comedy. Or suspension of reality. Can't decide which applies more.

And I'm one who does think that yes, it might ultimately be the case that Shaka's recruit/develop/retain strategy might not be able to succeed in this new reality.

I just don't get why folks can't trust our very successful coach until it's actually proven that his way won't work.

[Viper]

I'm not sure you took the right takeaways from Glengarry Glen Ross.

great flick. You caught where I was going, yes?

[Viper]

A trend of 20+ win seasons ending with tournament appearances? That's the only trend I see.If it continues to work, it will continue to happen.  It has continued to work so far, if that changes, either Shaka will change or he will gain critics here. Until That happens, yesand they should be.

so, I should be? You are telling me I should be satisfied with the current level of success? Really? Now that's COLE.

[Viper]

Trend? They were a two seed just last year. Are you under the impression that programs don't ever take a step back?

step back...but we never really got that far forward. Sure, compared to the Wojo years, but can't there be sustained success? And, things are changing within the sport at light speed. Maybe Shaka is going to change/adjust too.

[Viper]

This is comical. 

Somehow one year of success for St. John's is clearly a guarantee of future success for them because they use the portal.

Yet ONE season for Marquette, where they were still comfortably in the tourney as a 7 seed, is somehow a trend, apparently because Shaka likely wont use the portal.

Really great stuff. 

offering nothing, as usual, says Vander, from the folks house. Don't you have to be 18 to play here, kiddo?

[Its DJOver]

so, I should be? You are telling me I should be satisfied with the current level of success? Really? Now that's COLE.

Okay and satisfied are different things. You can be okay with 20+ win seasons, BE Title, BET titles, AA, NBA draft picks, and a 100% NCAA Tournament appearance rate and still not be satisfied and want more. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.

Questioning the methods that got all that success and wanting to implement a different roster building philosophy that spits in the face of that which got you the above success, certainly is a choice.

[The Sultan]

so, I should be? You are telling me I should be satisfied with the current level of success? Really? Now that's COLE.

No. You should be satisfied that Shaka has shown to be a very good basketball coach. He has lead the program to just its second BE title, first BET title, and the highest tournament seeds that we have seen in over a generation.

You are making the mistake in thinking that progress is linear, and that any step back is a negative "trend" versus understanding this is generally how it goes in college basketball. For instance, for a guy who is obsessed about UW and Greg Gard, look at the ups and downs that he has had? Or Jay Wright?

[Viper]

Okay and satisfied are different things. You can be okay with 20+ win seasons, BE Title, BET titles, AA, NBA draft picks, and a 100% NCAA Tournament appearance rate and still not be satisfied and want more. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.

Questioning the methods that got all that success and wanting to implement a different roster building philosophy that spits in the face of that which got you the above success, certainly is a choice.

I'll try to summarize...happy with Shaka progression seasons 1-3.Absolutely. A coming in from the wilderness. This year, to date, not as much. Not a bad year by any means, but the later part of the season results were attention getting. Spit in face, your words, seems extreme. Rather, I see how the college basketball landscape is changing, and w/Duke being an exception, I agree with Rick Pitino when he said winning big with HS recruits isn't likely. Hence, status quo and winning big, I'm not so sure. I've always felt MU can have sustained, Jay Wright success. Maybe we yet will.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

offering nothing, as usual, says Vander, from the folks house. Don't you have to be 18 to play here, kiddo?

Simply pointing out how your opinions on Marquette vs some other Big East schools are completely illogical.

You don't even understand what constitutes a "trend". 

[Its DJOver]

I'll try to summarize...happy with Shaka progression seasons 1-3.Absolutely. A coming in from the wilderness. This year, to date, not as much. Not a bad year by any means, but the later part of the season results were attention getting. Spit in face, your words, seems extreme. Rather, I see how the college basketball landscape is changing, and w/Duke being an exception, I agree with Rick Pitino when he said winning big with HS recruits isn't likely. Hence, status quo and winning big, I'm not so sure. I've always felt MU can have sustained, Jay Wright success. Maybe we yet will.

I, and more importantly, Shaka, fully disagree with you. Further, a team of HS developed players made it to the Championship game literally a year ago, so it's not exactly like there's no precedent of success for the model Shaka is pursuing.

[JakeBarnes]

great flick. You caught where I was going, yes?

Move away from the provencode you live by in order to get ahead at any cost? Shaka kinda already tried that at Texas with not great results.

[Viper]

I, and more importantly, Shaka, fully disagree with you. Further, a team of HS developed players made it to the Championship game literally a year ago, so it's not exactly like there's no precedent of success for the model Shaka is pursuing.

you know Shaka? You know him and thus know how he operates, his thoughts and opinions? That's great, man. I stand corrected on my own thoughts on the subject. Carry on.

[Its DJOver]

you know Shaka? You know him and thus know how he operates, his thoughts and opinions? That's great, man. I stand corrected on my own thoughts on the subject. Carry on.

It's good that you can admit you're wrong.

[UWW2MU]

I've never heard of any of these transfer portal guys you all are talking about.   

[drbob]

I personally don't care how Shaka builds MU's roster, be it thru the portal or HS recruits. What I would like to see are recruits who can hold their own in the physical Big East and not get slaughtered on the glass. Also some knockdown 3 pt shooters if the offensive emphasis is predominately 3 pt shots. We need a more diverse scoring team.  Right now if we are not hitting 3's no recourse. Defensively our guys always seem to have a size disadvantage.

[wadesworld]

Maybe Shaka can someday recruit a roster that could be competitive in the Big East.

[The Equalizer]

Questioning the methods that got all that success and wanting to implement a different roster building philosophy that spits in the face of that which got you the above success, certainly is a choice.

I think you're forgetting that much of the success of the first three seasons was dependent on transfers.

It's not that people want Shaka to implement a *different* roster building philosophy. They want him to stick with the one that actually brought success his first 3 seasons at MU.

Or given that he's going to change regardless, stop trying to pretend that this new philosophy is what brought the past success.   

We may well win a league title again in the future under this new philosophy--but the last time we did win a title it was with transfers Kolek and Prosper playing big roles on the team. 

[Pakuni]

Maybe Shaka can someday recruit a roster that could be competitive in the Big East.

Three of his five best players at MU were Wojo recruits.
/ducks

[wadesworld]

So maybe we trust that Shaka knows when he needs to hit the portal and when he doesn't? I don't know.

[Its DJOver]

I think you're forgetting that much of the success of the first three seasons was dependent on transfers.

It's not that people want Shaka to implement a *different* roster building philosophy. They want him to stick with the one that actually brought success his first 3 seasons at MU.

Or given that he's going to change regardless, stop trying to pretend that this new philosophy is what brought the past success.   

We may well win a league title again in the future under this new philosophy--but the last time we did win a title it was with transfers Kolek and Prosper playing big roles on the team. 

Shaka's philosophy has not changed since he's gotten here.  I've posted many times that he is not "anti-transfer". I think you may mis-understand my post.

[Viper]

So maybe we trust that Shaka knows when he needs to hit the portal and when he doesn't? I don't know.

maybe, maybe not. As I posted prior, I feel what Shaka has done...which is definitely good...should be expected annually. We are Marquette, damn it. Great school, facilities, budget, basketball history & tradition. I see no roadblocks to being a Jay Wright- 'Nova. But maybe that's just me.

[Uncle Rico]

Comedy gold

[wadesworld]

maybe, maybe not. As I posted prior, I feel what Shaka has done...which is definitely good...should be expected annually. We are Marquette, damn it. Great school, facilities, budget, basketball history & tradition. I see no roadblocks to being a Jay Wright- 'Nova. But maybe that's just me.

We had never in the history, such a storied, incredible history, as you just said, received a seed higher than 3 prior to Shaka. And now we should expect that every single year? Sure.