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BCHoopster

I am a believer to recruit high school players as well as a player in an area you think you are going to be weak at, with 2,000 kids in portal last year, I am sure you could have found a competent front court player or for sure a decent point.  Shaka is committed in his process, or very stubborn. Next year will be no different upfront unless he can bring in an experienced big, like Owen Freeman. 

BM1090

Quote from: warriors141 on March 06, 2025, 07:03:07 AMHaving one of the best point guards you have ever had in your program covers things up. A decent backup pg or some size that could be brought off the bench would have been better help to this team than a project redshirt big. Tre and Caedin....not hard to upgrade those guys

Almost like Sean was the plan.

The Sultan

Quote from: panda2.0 on March 06, 2025, 09:52:28 PMAJ Storr isn't passing the Shaka personality test and we couldn't afford either Dickinson or Storr, hence poor example.

There are plenty of players every year in the transfer portal. There needs to be more flexibility with roster management on a year to year basis if we're going to compete on a top 25 level. There is going to be a significant talent drop off next season if no additions are made.

Which unless there is roster turnover there won't be any additions. Hence my initial complaint about carrying three bigs who most likely will not be able to contribute much if at all during their time here.

"Poor example"...yet you can't come up with one.

Regardless, with an upcoming 15 player roster, taking a flyer on a big with potential upside and little expectation for immediate playing time is absolutely a right move. They still have an opening for next year in fact.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Stretchdeltsig

There seem to be very few plays designed for 3 point shots this year. Are they not emphasized in practice?  Is it a coincidence that our free throw shooting is also dismal this year?

panda2.0

Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 04:27:09 AM"Poor example"...yet you can't come up with one.

Regardless, with an upcoming 15 player roster, taking a flyer on a big with potential upside and little expectation for immediate playing time is absolutely a right move. They still have an opening for next year in fact.

Wades is right because he comes up with the most hyperbolic example while you think I can't provide any names so I must be wrong. I am happy to list 10 of the top big transfers from this past off season, however I have no idea/neither do any of you, if they any considered Marquette. But once again, my point is, Shaka probably didn't reach out to a JT Toppin, Matt Cross, Danny Wolf, Pharrell Payne, Dillon Mitchell, Lynn Kidd etc. because  of the numbers we have currently on the front line depth chart. Which again, is an issue because those guys are not talented enough to play the amount of minutes they're playing.

panda2.0

#80
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2025, 10:06:03 PMThere was going to be a significant drop off in year 2 for Shaka if there weren't portal editions. Same with year 4. Now year 5.

Shaka has proven incapable of developing what he has on his roster.

When you rely on the portal you might end up like SJU or you might end up like Kansas or Arkansas. There's way more volatility in building through the portal.

Alternatively, we have three roster spots tied up by guys who cannot contribute on the team this year when we could've used lots of help on the front line...
Once again, I'm not saying build a team from the portal - Supplement your long term plans with current veteran opportunities from outside the program to improve the roster.

Its DJOver

Maybe if you guys start a few more threads about how Shaka is committing "malpractice", he'll go away from what has worked and start listening to anonymous strangers on a message board. Seriously, this is as stupid as complaining about a mascot change in the sense that nothing you say is gonna make a difference.
Scoop motto:
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 07:07:38 AMMaybe if you guys start a few more threads about how Shaka is committing "malpractice", he'll go away from what has worked and start listening to anonymous strangers on a message board. Seriously, this is as stupid as complaining about a mascot change in the sense that nothing you say is gonna make a difference.

Disagree
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Its DJOver

Scoop motto:
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 07:09:07 AMKeep at it, we'll be the Hilltoppers again someday.

Fingers crossed.  Too bad the woke mob is too fat to walk up hills
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Viper

Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 06:16:12 AMAlternatively, we have three roster spots tied up by guys who cannot contribute on the team this year when we could've used lots of help on the front line...
Once again, I'm not saying build a team from the portal - Supplement your long term plans with current veteran opportunities from outside the program to improve the roster.
as Tower pointed out a week or two ago, MU will have a very balanced roster next season. Talented?... no matta, balanced!
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The Sultan

Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 06:12:59 AMWades is right because he comes up with the most hyperbolic example while you think I can't provide any names so I must be wrong. I am happy to list 10 of the top big transfers from this past off season, however I have no idea/neither do any of you, if they any considered Marquette. But once again, my point is, Shaka probably didn't reach out to a JT Toppin, Matt Cross, Danny Wolf, Pharrell Payne, Dillon Mitchell, Lynn Kidd etc. because  of the numbers we have currently on the front line depth chart. Which again, is an issue because those guys are not talented enough to play the amount of minutes they're playing.

Hey look, someone just used Google!
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 07:07:38 AMMaybe if you guys start a few more threads about how Shaka is committing "malpractice", he'll go away from what has worked and start listening to anonymous strangers on a message board. Seriously, this is as stupid as complaining about a mascot change in the sense that nothing you say is gonna make a difference.

Well, when you have Viper and a re-emergence of panda pushing a point, it does make you think right?  ::)
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Its DJOver

Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 07:53:01 AMWell, when you have Viper and a re-emergence of panda pushing a point, it does make you think right?  ::)

The tennis thread is in imminent danger.
Scoop motto:
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Viper on March 07, 2025, 07:47:09 AMas Tower pointed out a week or two ago, MU will have a very balanced roster next season. Talented?... no matta, balanced!

You should make sure to undersell the talent to your brother-in-law starting now then.  Might ease the sting of him being mean to you this December
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Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: panda2.0 on March 06, 2025, 09:52:28 PMAJ Storr isn't passing the Shaka personality test and we couldn't afford either Dickinson or Storr, hence poor example.

There are plenty of players every year in the transfer portal. There needs to be more flexibility with roster management on a year to year basis if we're going to compete on a top 25 level. There is going to be a significant talent drop off next season if no additions are made.

Which unless there is roster turnover there won't be any additions. Hence my initial complaint about carrying three bigs who most likely will not be able to contribute much if at all during their time here.

I'm confused - we have been competing at a top 25 level (and quite often a top-10 level) the last 3 seasons with Shaka's retain and develop approach. 

So we won't be able to compete at the level going forward even though that's essentially all we've done aside from Shaka's 1st season?




panda2.0

Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 07:51:33 AMHey look, someone just used Google!

Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 04:27:09 AM"Poor example"...yet you can't come up with one.

Regardless, with an upcoming 15 player roster, taking a flyer on a big with potential upside and little expectation for immediate playing time is absolutely a right move. They still have an opening for next year in fact.

"Poor example, yet you can't come up with one."

Provides many examples - those don't count because I say so! lol

panda2.0

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2025, 10:26:54 AMI'm confused - we have been competing at a top 25 level (and quite often a top-10 level) the last 3 seasons with Shaka's retain and develop approach. 

So we won't be able to compete at the level going forward even though that's essentially all we've done aside from Shaka's 1st season?





Do you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?

Hards Alumni

Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 10:54:17 AMDo you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?

Yes.

The Sultan

Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 10:52:19 AM"Poor example, yet you can't come up with one."

Provides many examples - those don't count because I say so! lol

But I'm right though. You had no idea who these people were until you Googled them.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 10:54:17 AMDo you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?
Yes.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 10:54:17 AMDo you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?

Yes, I think that's more likely than not. 

Also, you didn't answer the question.  Shaka's approach has generated 3 seasons in a row of a top 25 team. 

Logically, why do you not think this is sustainable going forward based on the results we've seen to-date?

I'm not saying their won't be a blip here and there - that happens to almost every program (see UConn this season).

I just find it exceedingly bizarre that people want to pivot away from an approach that has been extremely successful so far. 

PointWarrior

Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 06:16:12 AMAlternatively, we have three roster spots tied up by guys who cannot contribute on the team this year when we could've used lots of help on the front line...
Once again, I'm not saying build a team from the portal - Supplement your long term plans with current veteran opportunities from outside the program to improve the roster.

Seems like the know it alls prefer for our team to play with one hand tied behind their back without a big who can rebound or go to the hoop with the ball like all of the top 10 teams have. 

Zog from Margo

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2025, 10:26:54 AMI'm confused - we have been competing at a top 25 level (and quite often a top-10 level) the last 3 seasons with Shaka's retain and develop approach. 

So we won't be able to compete at the level going forward even though that's essentially all we've done aside from Shaka's 1st season?





You're not alone. Shaka's teams have been competitive and fun to watch. After seven years of Wojo, you'd think folks would be happy. MU is not going to out recruit the Dukes and UNCs and they aren't going to have the portal cash of Kansas or Kentucky. You have to win with less at MU and you do that through roster continuity and getting players who'll stay and become older. To do that, you need to commit to the players you recruit.

Get to the tournament often and every once in a while break past the first weekend and see what happens. That seems to me a reasonable goal for the program. That's the path MU is on under Shaka.

JTJ3

Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 10:54:17 AMDo you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?

Absolutely.

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