Maybe Shaka will change his way of making roster

[Uncle Rico]

Can't do anything without some 3 pt shooters

Maybe me right gud

[willie warrior]

Can't do anything without some 3 pt shooters

Or some down low bangers. MU lacks both and will continue to be outdistanced in BEast until Shaka adjusts.

[willie warrior]

They have 3 point shooters......they just are having a tough season shooting them.

Guys who have been good 3 point shooters in college......Jop and Kam are having down seasons much below career norms

Gold is shooting it well this season and was as a recruit

Lowery and Parham were both solid to really good 3 point shooters as recruits

The only guy who was recruited as a non shooter was Norman.

It has nothing to,do with Shaka not valuing the 3 point shot in his recruiting........stuff happens

That is a good one . Stuff happens.

[willie warrior]

Something is screwed up when guys are getting worse and worse over their careers shooting it. 

Must be the developmental schedule needs resetting.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Or some down low bangers. MU lacks both and will continue to be outdistanced in BEast until Shaka adjusts.

Right!  Just like they were outdistanced when they won the conference and BET in 22-23. Or when they earned a 2 seed in the NCAA tournament last year.

Brilliant stuff, as usual.

[Uncle Rico]

Right!  Just like they were outdistanced when they won the conference and BET in 22-23. Or when they earned a 2 seed in the NCAA tournament last year.

Brilliant stuff, as usual.

It's easier to speak Wingdings if you're a mouth breather

[warriors141]

Right!  Just like they were outdistanced when they won the conference and BET in 22-23. Or when they earned a 2 seed in the NCAA tournament last year.

Brilliant stuff, as usual.

Having one of the best point guards you have ever had in your program covers things up. A decent backup pg or some size that could be brought off the bench would have been better help to this team than a project redshirt big. Tre and Caedin....not hard to upgrade those guys

[Viper]

Right!  Just like they were outdistanced when they won the conference and BET in 22-23. Or when they earned a 2 seed in the NCAA tournament last year.

Brilliant stuff, as usual.

22-23 season was great. No doubt. But, that's the past and almost seems like an outlier season. 2-seeds were great too. Unfortunately, the tournament run each of those two 2-seed seasons resulted in only 3 combined wins. Maybe this post season, with a lower expectation, will result in a surprising run of winning.

[HutchwasClutch]

Care to share some examples of year-over-year regression for multiple players?  Or are you talking out of your ass?

Maybe not a literal year by year regression, but not far off, and a lot of downturn one year to the next.  Mitchell shooting from 3 worse each year until a modest upswing finally this year.  Joplin and Kam as mentioned.  Joplin is down 2nd straight season and has needed a couple recent good games to barely pull ahead of his freshman year under 30 mark.  Kolek way down freshman to sophomore, and down again his final season from junior year.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Having one of the best point guards you have ever had in your program covers things up. A decent backup pg or some size that could be brought off the bench would have been better help to this team than a project redshirt big. Tre and Caedin....not hard to upgrade those guys

So you think a high-quality transfer or two that aren't going to start are going to transfer here to play limited minutes so we can upgrade our 10th man and a guard that plays 10 MPG at the expense of Shaka's program-building approach makes sense?

Got it. 

[The Sultan]

22-23 season was great. No doubt. But, that's the past and almost seems like an outlier season. 2-seeds were great too. Unfortunately, the tournament run each of those two 2-seed seasons resulted in only 3 combined wins. Maybe this post season, with a lower expectation, will result in a surprising run of winning.

So in one sentence you claim that 2022-23 was an "outlier season," then in the second point out that they had a 2-seed the very next season.     

There have only been two coaches that have made the NCAA tournament their first four seasons at Marquette - Buzz and Shaka. And the team Buzz took over was vastly different than the one Shaka took over. And only one won a Big East regular season and tournament title in the process.

But now we are saying sh*t like "outlier season." In-f*cking-credible.

[Uncle Rico]

So in one sentence you claim that 2022-23 was an "outlier season," then in the second point out that they had a 2-seed the very next season.     

There have only been two coaches that have made the NCAA tournament their first four seasons at Marquette - Buzz and Shaka. And the team Buzz took over was vastly different than the one Shaka took over. And only one won a Big East regular season and tournament title in the process.

But now we are saying sh*t like "outlier season." In-f*cking-credible.

Wait, it'll get dumber

[willie warrior]

22-23 season was great. No doubt. But, that's the past and almost seems like an outlier season. 2-seeds were great too. Unfortunately, the tournament run each of those two 2-seed seasons resulted in only 3 combined wins. Maybe this post season, with a lower expectation, will result in a surprising run of winning.

22-23 was great, but that is history. The criticizer can hang his hat on 22-23, but we are 2 years removed from that and getting our ass handed to us by other teams in the conference. What about now? Some think that is not relevant.

[The Sultan]

22-23 was great, but that is history. The criticizer can hang his hat on 22-23, but we are 2 years removed from that and getting our ass handed to us by other teams in the conference. What about now? Some think that is not relevant.

You know who talks a lot about history here?

willie.

[Galway Eagle]

22-23 was great, but that is history. The criticizer can hang his hat on 22-23, but we are 2 years removed from that and getting our ass handed to us by other teams in the conference. What about now? Some think that is not relevant.

We're only one year removed from a 2 seed and sweet 16... to act like 22-23 is the only highlight of Shakas tenure is incredibly ridiculous. Yes this year has been rough down the stretch, almost Wojo esque, but give Shaka his dues.

[Uncle Rico]

You're all arguing with someone that will never be happy because he lives in a past that doesn't exist.

This team could make an Elite 8 this year and he'd still complain.

[warriors141]

So you think a high-quality transfer or two that aren't going to start are going to transfer here to play limited minutes so we can upgrade our 10th man and a guard that plays 10 MPG at the expense of Shaka's program-building approach makes sense?

Got it. 

Unfortunately to improve on Tre and Caedin they would not have to be high quality.....serviceable would be just fine

[wadesworld]

22-23 season was great. No doubt. But, that's the past and almost seems like an outlier season. 2-seeds were great too. Unfortunately, the tournament run each of those two 2-seed seasons resulted in only 3 combined wins. Maybe this post season, with a lower expectation, will result in a surprising run of winning.

An outlier season?  Shaka's been here for 4 years.  The year before he took over we finished 9th in an 11 team Big East (and it might've been tied for 9th but we had one extra game cancelled compared to 10th place Butler).  His first year we finished tied for 5th.  His second we won the Big East, his third we finished tied for second, and this year we'll finish between tied for 2nd and tied for 4th.  I guess winning the conference is an "outlier," but not by much.  We've been the second best program in the BE since Shaka took over.

[MuMark]

Maybe not a literal year by year regression, but not far off, and a lot of downturn one year to the next.  Mitchell shooting from 3 worse each year until a modest upswing finally this year.  Joplin and Kam as mentioned.  Joplin is down 2nd straight season and has needed a couple recent good games to barely pull ahead of his freshman year under 30 mark.  Kolek way down freshman to sophomore, and down again his final season from junior year.

Kolek "down his final year from his junior year? "

Seriously? He made the same amount of 3s as a senior and had to take a whopping 3 more attempts to do it.........in 31 games!

The difference is so minute it's not even worth mentioning.........

3 point shooting is volatile.......from game to game and year to,year.....

We act like this is just a Marquette thing......it's not

Karaban shot 40% his first season after a redshirt......sophomore year 38%......this season.....34%

He went through a 5 game stretch in the big east season where he was 2-28

Diarra shot 36% from 3 last season.......this year it's 27%.

I know people are frustrated but we lost because in this game we couldn't keep them off the offensive boards......turn them over enough ( our strength) or shoot poorly from 3 instead of insanely bad from 3.

If we shoot 6-22 instead of 3-22 we probably win the game.......we outshot them at the rim......from midrange where we were 4-9 and they were 3-16.......we made the same number of free throws.

They scored 6 more points on 8 more shots.

[Captain Quette]

I do not believe shaka's recruiting strategy involves recruiting players who have 3 point shooting as their top skill. We know he likes the switchable, wing type player who is a good athlete. In light of the value and success demonstrated by good 3 pt shooting teams, his recruiting strategy may have a gap. A player making a jump/ improving 3 pt shooting YoY can work but it seems more the exception than the rule and is really a hope strategy. Not sure what will be a trigger a change here or if shaka even cares. Maybe re watching NC St and multiple losses this year would help.

[The Sultan]

I do not believe shaka's recruiting strategy involves recruiting players who have 3 point shooting as their top skill. We know he likes the switchable, wing type player who is a good athlete. In light of the value and success demonstrated by good 3 pt shooting teams, his recruiting strategy may have a gap. A player making a jump/ improving 3 pt shooting YoY can work but it seems more the exception than the rule and is really a hope strategy. Not sure what will be a trigger a change here or if shaka even cares. Maybe re watching NC St and multiple losses this year would help.

Lowery, Parham, and to a lesser degree Owens and Ross, were considered good high school three point shooters.

[tower912]

Longing for the halcyon days when the coach recruited guys who were shooters first.

[MuMark]

Lowery, Parham, and to a lesser degree Owens and Ross, were considered good high school three point shooters.

Yep.....he is not going to recruit the Andrew Rowsey types who are great offensive players but can't defend.........

He went hard after Kon........he wants shooters......he just isn't going to take guys that can't defend in his system even if they are great shooters.

And sometimes you recruit good shooters who for some reason take awhile to shoot well in college............or you recruit some kids who have skills you like that should complement other kids who are good shooters .........sometimes it works......sometimes it doesn't.

Norman is the best current example......I know Shaka thought he would have had a bigger impact than he has had so far.......even Trey is disappointed his offense hasn't translated at this level.

[willie warrior]

An outlier season?  Shaka's been here for 4 years.  The year before he took over we finished 9th in an 11 team Big East (and it might've been tied for 9th but we had one extra game cancelled compared to 10th place Butler).  His first year we finished tied for 5th.  His second we won the Big East, his third we finished tied for second, and this year we'll finish between tied for 2nd and tied for 4th.  I guess winning the conference is an "outlier," but not by much.  We've been the second best program in the BE since Shaka took over.

Debatable about 2nd best team, and we are talking about where we are now, not 2 or 3 years ago. The current roster is not as competitive in BEast as some posters believe. Cmon man, MU has already lost 6 conference games this year. And some feel satisfied with that.

[Hards Alumni]

Debatable about 2nd best team, and we are talking about where we are now, not 2 or 3 years ago. The current roster is not as competitive in BEast as some posters believe. Cmon man, MU has already lost 6 conference games this year. And some feel satisfied with that.

Your satisfaction is irrelevant, nor is anyone else's. 

I know you're old and want to win everything going away every game, but this is competitive sports.  Other teams are going to win too.  Not every game is going to be won.  The most important thing is having a nationally prominent team and having the ability to compete in the NCAA tournament.