Maybe Shaka will change his way of making roster

[Hards Alumni]

Seems like the know it alls prefer for our team to play with one hand tied behind their back without a big who can rebound or go to the hoop with the ball like all of the top 10 teams have. 

Oh, like St. Johns?  They don't have a guy on their roster over 6'9 that plays meaningful minutes, yet they are ranked 6 in the nation.

Hmmmmm

[panda2.0]

But I'm right though. You had no idea who these people were until you Googled them.

I know those guys- I watch more college basketball than I care to admit #thxgambling

[panda2.0]

Yes, I think that's more likely than not. 

Also, you didn't answer the question.  Shaka's approach has generated 3 seasons in a row of a top 25 team. 

Logically, why do you not think this is sustainable going forward based on the results we've seen to-date?

I'm not saying their won't be a blip here and there - that happens to almost every program (see UConn this season).

I just find it exceedingly bizarre that people want to pivot away from an approach that has been extremely successful so far. 

Because we've lost our entire core of oso, tk, kam, jop and Stevie which all played a huge role in those high achieving teams.

Without any transfer additions, I think we can get back to top 25 level in two years, but next year will be growing pains. Limited depth on the front line, a pg coming off an acl and no proven, consistent volume scorer.

[Newsdreams]

Maybe if you guys start a few more threads about how Shaka is committing "malpractice", he'll go away from what has worked and start listening to anonymous strangers on a message board. Seriously, this is as stupid as complaining about a mascot change in the sense that nothing you say is gonna make a difference.

I like it, sort of like Shakespearean comedy

[Newsdreams]

Wades is right because he comes up with the most hyperbolic example while you think I can't provide any names so I must be wrong. I am happy to list 10 of the top big transfers from this past off season, however I have no idea/neither do any of you, if they any considered Marquette. But once again, my point is, Shaka probably didn't reach out to a JT Toppin, Matt Cross, Danny Wolf, Pharrell Payne, Dillon Mitchell, Lynn Kidd etc. because  of the numbers we have currently on the front line depth chart. Which again, is an issue because those guys are not talented enough to play the amount of minutes they're playing.

"Shaka probably didn't reach..." so, you have no effing idea.

[Hards Alumni]

Because we've lost our entire core of oso, tk, kam, jop and Stevie which all played a huge role in those high achieving teams.

Without any transfer additions, I think we can get back to top 25 level in two years, but next year will be growing pains. Limited depth on the front line, a pg coming off an acl and no proven, consistent volume scorer.

Oso was a bench rider before Shaka molded him.
TKO was written off as a mid-major transfer to be a role player by this board.
Kam has always been a bucket, and we will miss him for sure.
Stevie is the glue guy who will be missed, but we can replace his points.  His defense is stellar, but we have guys who can fill in and are far more athletic.
Jop is a good player and person, but certainly not irreplaceable.

NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE thought Tyler Kolek and Kam Jones would end up as All Americans.  After his Sophomore year, did you (or anyone) think Oso would be an NBA player?  Give our coach some effing credit, Jesus.

You're just being silly.  We're going to be fine.  Every player under Shaka has improved year over year, and I fully expect that to be the case with our current guys and incoming freshman.

Next year, we won't have "that guy" that we can look to immediately, but that is probably for the better as we've seen what happens sometimes when everyone looks to Kam to put the team on his back.  The team will adapt, and the offense will change.  Shaka is a very smart man and will find a way to get his guys to play the way that will give them the best chance to win.

Plus we have a great recruiting class of Freshman.

Bunch of chicken little's want to write off next year's squad with this year's squad still playing games.

Scoop gonna scoop, I guess

[panda2.0]

"Shaka probably didn't reach..." so, you have no effing idea.

Once again, that's my point in carrying three guys who will probably never play significant minutes in a Marquette uniform.

I don't know/neither do any of you if Shaka reached out or considered reaching out to any of those guys - But he probably didn't because we have Hamilton, Amado, Clark eating up roster spots. Which is not the way to win on college basketball today.

[Newsdreams]

Once again, that's my point in carrying three guys who will probably never play significant minutes in a Marquette uniform.

I don't know/neither do any of you if Shaka reached out or considered reaching out to any of those guys - But he probably didn't because we have Hamilton, Amado, Clark eating up roster spots. Which is not the way to win on college basketball today.

So again you have no idea, so your point has no basis in reality. Lord do I hate probably, this is why the US is great again.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Seems like the know it alls prefer for our team to play with one hand tied behind their back without a big who can rebound or go to the hoop with the ball like all of the top 10 teams have. 

[wadesworld]

Once again, that's my point in carrying three guys who will probably never play significant minutes in a Marquette uniform.

I don't know/neither do any of you if Shaka reached out or considered reaching out to any of those guys - But he probably didn't because we have Hamilton, Amado, Clark eating up roster spots. Which is not the way to win on college basketball today.

Yet he has an open roster spot even with those 3 eating scholarships.

[Newsdreams]

Yet he has an open roster spot even with those 3 eating scholarships.

By not having that extra seat on the floor MU saves a couple of K's from FiFo fees, PROBABLY that is the strategy.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Because we've lost our entire core of oso, tk, kam, jop and Stevie which all played a huge role in those high achieving teams.

Without any transfer additions, I think we can get back to top 25 level in two years, but next year will be growing pains. Limited depth on the front line, a pg coming off an acl and no proven, consistent volume scorer.

We lost two Marquette greats last season to the NBA.  Yet we've been in the top 25 all season and as high as #5. 

We're losing 3 more really good players, including a guy that will likely end up as the 2nd leading scorer in program history after this season.

We're not losing all 5 in one year. 

Sure, there will probably be bumps in the road next season and if the team is ultimately not a top 25 team that's ok (I still think it will be). 

But if Shaka starts changing his philosophy that reverberates with all of the guys who will still be here and that he is still recruiting.  Suddenly the culture that has been built doesn't look the same anymore and retention becomes more challenging.  It's not worth it. 

I also remember the leaps TK, Oso, Kam and Omax took going into the 22-23 season.  Of course, you can't always count on that level of development but I see a lot of talent already in house. I expect Chase and Ben will both improve again and I would not be remotely surprised with massive leaps for Zaide, Royce, and Damarius. 

I'm trusting Shaka and staff until I see evidence on the court to show his approach is no longer working. 

[panda2.0]

Oso was a bench rider before Shaka molded him.
TKO was written off as a mid-major transfer to be a role player by this board.
Kam has always been a bucket, and we will miss him for sure.
Stevie is the glue guy who will be missed, but we can replace his points.  His defense is stellar, but we have guys who can fill in and are far more athletic.
Jop is a good player and person, but certainly not irreplaceable.

NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE thought Tyler Kolek and Kam Jones would end up as All Americans.  After his Sophomore year, did you (or anyone) think Oso would be an NBA player?  Give our coach some effing credit, Jesus.

You're just being silly.  We're going to be fine.  Every player under Shaka has improved year over year, and I fully expect that to be the case with our current guys and incoming freshman.

Next year, we won't have "that guy" that we can look to immediately, but that is probably for the better as we've seen what happens sometimes when everyone looks to Kam to put the team on his back.  The team will adapt, and the offense will change.  Shaka is a very smart man and will find a way to get his guys to play the way that will give them the best chance to win.

Plus we have a great recruiting class of Freshman.

Bunch of chicken little's want to write off next year's squad with this year's squad still playing games.

Scoop gonna scoop, I guess

I've been the biggest jop supporter on this board long before it was fashionable to ride the jop wagon.

I've been in love with Kam since his freshman year. I never spoke a bad word about Kolek. I'll try and find my first post re Kolek when he decided to come here when I lauded his passing and court vision at George mason, while non ball knowers like
Sultan thought he was a great shooter. (I do watch cbb #thxgambling)

The receipts are all there from the artist formerly known as panda.

I love the young core we have now, but ultimately I don't think that core is ready to absorb the loss of the guardians without any help from the portal.

I hope I'm wrong, but we'll need help from the outside to remain at the level we're accustomed to, but I don't know how much flexibility we have.

[WolfganghisKhan]

Do you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?

oooo I like this question. I'm going to go no but I hope I'm wrong.

[Newsdreams]

oooo I like this question. I'm going to go no but I hope I'm wrong.

I go yes, because we have a Smart coaching staff.

[WolfganghisKhan]

I go yes, because we have a Smart coaching staff.

nice like the pun

[Its DJOver]

The receipts are all there from the artist formerly known as panda.

Why is it the artist formerly known as Panda? Did you lose your log in info or something? Or was there some other incident that caused your (maybe not so voluntary) hiatus?

Either way, you can complain as much as you want here, it won't change a thing. If you truly believe you know better than Shaka, go write a letter. He's paid a lot of money to win basketball games, so if someone came to him with "THE" solution, it actually would be malpractice for him to ignore it.

[panda2.0]

Why is it the artist formerly known as Panda? Did you lose your log in info or something? Or was there some other incident that caused your (maybe not so voluntary) hiatus?

Either way, you can complain as much as you want here, it won't change a thing. If you truly believe you know better than Shaka, go write a letter. He's paid a lot of money to win basketball games, so if someone came to him with "THE" solution, it actually would be malpractice for him to ignore it.

Good points as usual - Nobody here has any decision making power with the program so can anyone discuss the goings on of the program ?

[jesmu84]

I don't mind the debate. It's what message boards are for.

That said, I'll keep on believing in the Shaka way until it's PROVEN to no longer work.

IMO, I doubt we're top 25 next year mainly because of concerns about the PG position and lack of scoring.

But, even if not top 25 next year, I'll only start to become concerned if 26-27 isn't back to the norm.

[WolfganghisKhan]

But, even if not top 25 next year, I'll only start to become concerned if 26-27 isn't back to the norm.

This is the main part I agree with. I'm not the biggest Shaka guy (I think he's a great culture guy, more solid than great basketball coach), but next year is just about developing for the future.

[UWW2MU]

I'm confused - we have been competing at a top 25 level (and quite often a top-10 level) the last 3 seasons with Shaka's retain and develop approach. 

So we won't be able to compete at the level going forward even though that's essentially all we've done aside from Shaka's 1st season?

I just came here to say this.

[The Sultan]

Why is it the artist formerly known as Panda? Did you lose your log in info or something? Or was there some other incident that caused your (maybe not so voluntary) hiatus?

Didn't panda and shoothoops get banned for some sort of ridiculous argument?

[Its DJOver]

Good points as usual - Nobody here has any decision making power with the program so can anyone discuss the goings on of the program ?

The goings on of the program? Sure, let's talk about how we match up with St. Johns. Strengths, weaknesses, areas we can exploit. Let's talk about properly appreciating the Seniors and all they've given to the program.  Let's talk about it being "Al's Day" and what he meant to the program. Let's talk about the incoming Freshman and what our level of expectations can/should be for them.

Transfer/roster decisions or lack thereof both from previous summers as well as future summers? Criticizing Shaka's method of building a roster (which has had a tremendous amount of success BTW). Let's avoid those.

[Its DJOver]

Didn't panda and shoothoops get banned for some sort of ridiculous argument?

That's what I thought, although I'm sure this new Panda can shed more light on it.

[Uncle Rico]

I don't mind the debate. It's what message boards are for.

That said, I'll keep on believing in the Shaka way until it's PROVEN to no longer work.

IMO, I doubt we're top 25 next year mainly because of concerns about the PG position and lack of scoring.

But, even if not top 25 next year, I'll only start to become concerned if 26-27 isn't back to the norm.

This is part of it and the other part is, wanting transfers has been beaten to death (like most things here, guilty as charged).

That's why I started the transfer thread.  Shoot your shot on who is available and who you think fits Marquette.  Don't care if he's connected to Marquette or not, list your guy, why you want him and then stick with him, good or bad through 25-26.

Many will be wrong, many will be right about guys.  Whether Shaka should or shouldn't has been argued ad nauseam.  Personally, I hope he adds through the portal this off-season.  I suspect he won't but once the portal starts filling up, I'll pick a few I think would be good fits and see how it plays out