Seed

[wisblue]

You can always find examples to illustrate a point of view but, on balance, I'd much rather have a team that finishes with some momentum than one that has limped over the last month.

MU teams in 2019 and 2022 finished poorly and had spectacular flameouts in their first NCAA games.

[The Sultan]

You can always find examples to illustrate a point of view but, on balance, I'd much rather have a team that finishes with some momentum than one that has limped over the last month.

MU teams in 2019 and 2022 finished poorly and had spectacular flameouts in their first NCAA games.

Eeyore gonna Eeyore.

[MU82]

So ... winning is better than losing. Got it!

[Uncle Rico]

You can always find examples to illustrate a point of view but, on balance, I'd much rather have a team that finishes with some momentum than one that has limped over the last month.

MU teams in 2019 and 2022 finished poorly and had spectacular flameouts in their first NCAA games.

Thanks.  This is what I've been saying.  It's a constant problem under Shaka

[MuggsyB]

You can always find examples to illustrate a point of view but, on balance, I'd much rather have a team that finishes with some momentum than one that has limped over the last month.

MU teams in 2019 and 2022 finished poorly and had spectacular flameouts in their first NCAA games.

Completely irrelevant. 

[MuggsyB]

In 1977, we played like crap for most of the month of February.

We were the last team in and many thought the reason we even were invited was a tip of the NCAA cap to Coach McGuire, who was retiring. We were thought to be an "early exit" team.

We all know what happened back then.

In 1978 we were playing good basketball. We went into the tournament with our students wearing "Marquette Meet me in St. Louis" tshirts. We know what happened there, too.

It's the NCAA tournament... anything can happen!!!

Ty brother dgies. 

[tower912]

One of those was Wojo. So, who GAF?  Yes, Shaka has gone to the tournament 3 times in 3 years and is 3-3 overall.

[Uncle Rico]

One of those was Wojo. So, who GAF?  Yes, Shaka has gone to the tournament 3 times in 3 years and is 3-3 overall.

Exactly.  He's terrible

[MuggsyB]

False.

Then why are you saying we're not playing well?
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I don't think we've played near our ceiling or how we did earlier in the year.

That's not being vitriolic.  Attacking our team and coming up with stuff out of one's ass is what I object to MU82. 

[Viper]

Let me clear up all this uncertainty. Marquette will beat UConn and beat StJ's because I'm predicting Marquette will lose to UConn and lose to StJ's. See what I'm doing here? Let's chat again next week.

[wisblue]

Completely irrelevant. 

No more so than any examples of anyone's past seasons and how they turned out.

Would you rather have your favorite team go into the tournament after a strong month, or don't you care?

[MuggsyB]

No more so than any examples of anyone's past seasons and how they turned out.

Would you rather have your favorite team go into the tournament after a strong month, or don't you care?

Of course I would so they could snag a better seed.  That's not the point. 

[wisblue]

False.

Then why are you saying we're not playing well?
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I don't think we've played near our ceiling or how we did earlier in the year.

That's not being vitriolic.  Attacking our team and coming up with stuff out of one's ass is what I object to MU82. 
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Saying that the team has not been playing well since the end of 2024 is not disparaging or vitriolic or "attacking" the team. But you have used those words to describe posts that have pointed that out.

[The Sultan]

Because to say the team has not been playing well since the end of 2024 is a nonsensical statement.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

No more so than any examples of anyone's past seasons and how they turned out.

Would you rather have your favorite team go into the tournament after a strong month, or don't you care?

Assuming the seed is the same I wouldn't care. I may care about the reason behind why they aren't playing well. Is they're an injury? A locker room issue? I definitely care.  Have recent opponets shot the cover off the ball? Or is the team in a shooting slump? Don't care.

[geps]

It's wild to me we could end up 14-6 again in the BE yet looking at a 5 or 6 seed vs. the 2 last year. BE is better this year too.

[The Sultan]

It's wild to me we could end up 14-6 again in the BE yet looking at a 5 or 6 seed vs. the 2 last year. BE is better this year too.

Yeah, I don't think the Big East is better this year. Last year the Big East had six teams top 50 in Kenpom - three in the top 20. Right now there are only four - one in the top 20.

Furthermore the conference is why we have a lower seed. Despite our tough non conference schedule, our strength of schedule is now 46th in the country. (That will rise after the next two games I think.) Last year at tourney time it was sixth.

Brew said it above, the poor performance of the BE non-conference is dragging the conference down.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It's wild to me we could end up 14-6 again in the BE yet looking at a 5 or 6 seed vs. the 2 last year. BE is better this year too.

The BE isn't better. College basketball as a whole is better.

Our KenPom net rtg is 22.61, 24th best in the nation. Net rtg is the overall score KenPom ranks team by. The higher,  the better.

Since the first year of KenPom data (1997), a netrtg of 22.61 would have finished ranked in the top 16 every year except this year and 2017 (22nd in 2017).

There were three years when a netrtg of 22.61 would have been top 10. This includes 2023. This year's teams netrtg is higher than Shakas second year team that finished 10th in KenPom.

Put simply, in 26/28 years,  this Marquette team would be deserving of a protected seed according to KenPom. Instead college basketball is so top heavy this season that KenPom says we're barely deserving of a 6 seed.

[Shooter McGavin]

Good stuff TAMU.  Hope this team plays up to its capabilities and possibly a little above and wins a couple in the tournament.   

[DoctorV]

The BE isn't better. College basketball as a whole is better.

Our KenPom net rtg is 22.61, 24th best in the nation. Net rtg is the overall score KenPom ranks team by. The higher,  the better.

Since the first year of KenPom data (1997), a netrtg of 22.61 would have finished ranked in the top 16 every year except this year and 2017 (22nd in 2017).

There were three years when a netrtg of 22.61 would have been top 10. This includes 2023. This year's teams netrtg is higher than Shakas second year team that finished 10th in KenPom.

Put simply, in 26/28 years,  this Marquette team would be deserving of a protected seed according to KenPom. Instead college basketball is so top heavy this season that KenPom says we're barely deserving of a 6 seed.

Great data.

Do you think it's mostly due to teams being much better because they are older and more talented, or do you think teams are also jobbing the system by running up the scores and improving their efficiencies because they know how much it matters for seeding?

Sportsmanship seems to be dead, if you will?

I'd argue a little bit of both

[FairWeatherEagle]

6 now unless we win BET then 5. Would rather have 6 to tell you the truth

[MuggsyB]

I think we're a 7. 

[GoldenEagles03]

Probably an 8 now. Hope Michigan State gets bumped up to a 1 so we can have a chance to get revenge against them.

[willie warrior]

The seed should be planted now and hope that it blossoms next year when we will really dominate the BEast.

[Viper]

Eeyore gonna Eeyore.

it's a legit talking point.