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College enrollment rebounds, surpassing pre-pandemic levels

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2025/01/23/college-enrollment-increase-pandemic/?

Student headcount at the nation's colleges and universities has rebounded, according to a new national report, with total enrollment numbers higher than in fall 2019, before the coronavirus pandemic disrupted higher education.

The report from the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center, released Thursday, found undergraduate enrollment neared 16 million in fall 2024, while graduate enrollment climbed to 3.2 million. All told, total enrollment was up 4.5 percent in the fall.

Thursday's report arrives a week after the Clearinghouse said a "methodological error" skewed its preliminary calculation of the number of first-year students who enrolled in fall 2024. The center initially said freshman enrollment dropped 5 percent, but later discovered that some college freshmen were incorrectly labeled as dual-enrolled in high school and college classes.

The Clearinghouse has been a trusted source for enrollment trends in higher education because it collects information from 97 percent of the 3,600 degree-granting institutions in the country. The center produces enrollment data sooner than the Education Department, which typically has a nearly year-long time lag.
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warriorchick

I would love to see that data broken out between public and private institutions.
Have some patience, FFS.

tower912

The long term demographics are not as good.
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Would like to see break downs of

first generation college students vs at least one parent went to college

Public vs private

Online vs commuter vs traditional

Part vs full time

Jr college vs 4 yr
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The Sultan

The schools benefitting the most are flagship publics, and elite privates. Many schools are fine.  A LOT are struggling.

And tower is right, long term demographics are pretty bad.
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lostpassword

Quote from: The Sultan on January 23, 2025, 03:28:06 PMThe schools benefitting the most are flagship publics, and elite privates.

Have the rest simply priced themselves out?  Or is it more nuanced than that?

muwarrior69

Quote from: lostpassword on January 23, 2025, 07:34:05 PMHave the rest simply priced themselves out?  Or is it more nuanced than that?


I can afford to send my Grand Daughter to Marquette, but why would I when she can earn a Bachelor's Degree at Rutgers for one third the cost.

warriorchick

Quote from: lostpassword on January 23, 2025, 07:34:05 PMHave the rest simply priced themselves out?  Or is it more nuanced than that?


The schools that are in the most trouble are the 2nd and 3rd-tier private schools.

Who in their right mind would spend $200K+ to send their kid to a school that no one outside the alums and the locals have heard of?

It's the reason there aren't Holiday Inns anymore. They languished in the middle of the market. People are either going cheaper or going better.
Have some patience, FFS.

MU82

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 23, 2025, 08:06:00 PMI can afford to send my Grand Daughter to Marquette, but why would I when she can earn a Bachelor's Degree at Rutgers for one third the cost.

Hasn't been this been the case for decades?

20 years ago, our daughter chose to go to Lawrence when she could have gone to Illinois (in-state tuition) at a third the cost (or less). Why? For several reasons. There are always reasons.
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: lostpassword on January 23, 2025, 07:34:05 PMHave the rest simply priced themselves out?  Or is it more nuanced than that?


That's s big part of it. Shifting demographics is another major concern. The 2008 recession changed how people thought about starting a family. Middle and upper class families started having less kids.  Theres also been a population shift from university heavy midwest and northeast. Basically theres less and less high school students with the typical demographics of a college applicant.

There are other reasons too but I think talking about them would earn me scoopcation
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The Sultan

Quote from: warriorchick on January 23, 2025, 08:46:16 PMThe schools that are in the most trouble are the 2nd and 3rd-tier private schools.

Who in their right mind would spend $200K+ to send their kid to a school that no one outside the alums and the locals have heard of?

It's the reason there aren't Holiday Inns anymore. They languished in the middle of the market. People are either going cheaper or going better.

This 100%. And the schools in trouble are for-profit or they are poorly endowed and have a ton of debt.
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The Sultan

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 23, 2025, 08:06:00 PMI can afford to send my Grand Daughter to Marquette, but why would I when she can earn a Bachelor's Degree at Rutgers for one third the cost.

Marquette is absolutely fine regardless if your grand daughter goes there or not.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 23, 2025, 09:08:19 PMThat's s big part of it. Shifting demographics is another major concern. The 2008 recession changed how people thought about starting a family. Middle and upper class families started having less kids.  Theres also been a population shift from university heavy midwest and northeast. Basically theres less and less high school students with the typical demographics of a college applicant.

There are other reasons too but I think talking about them would earn me scoopcation

You mean a segment of the population that prefers ignorance over education and have spent decades doing everything in their power to discredit education?

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Hards Alumni

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2025, 07:17:03 AMYou mean a segment of the population that prefers ignorance over education and have spent decades doing everything in their power to discredit education?



Yeah, and a couple of them got banned from the world's premier basketball message board!

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 24, 2025, 07:43:31 AMYeah, and a couple of them got banned from the world's premier basketball message board!

Cancel culture ran amok!  Am patiently waiting for the new board (whoops, Lenny hates that joke) so I can a more inclusive bored
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Quote from: The Sultan on January 23, 2025, 10:03:23 PMMarquette is absolutely fine regardless if your grand daughter goes there or not.

I don't know if I'd say "absolutely fine" as we have been running a deficit, but MU (and larger private schools with similar profiles, like Creighton, Santa Clara, Denver U, Gonzaga, etc.) will be able to adapt and survive due to their national reach, location in cities with access to professional development opportunities, academic reputation, and larger alumni networks. The small liberal arts schools with smaller endowments with lesser academic reputations like Ripon, St. Norbert, Knox, Alma, etc that do not have a niche to attract students (e.g. Hillsdale, Colorado College, St. John's Maryland and New Mexico) are going to be in big trouble moving forward as they won't be able to attract and retain students as parents aren't going to be able to justify the cost combined with the limited return on investment.

Since 2020, 41 colleges have shut down and 32 have merged with other schools. 14 colleges shut down after 2023 alone (Cardinal Stritch up the road), with more announcing they are closing (e.g. Fontbonne in St. Louis) or being restructured or merged with another school, while others are selling off property to stay viable: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/business/financial-health/2023/12/21/look-back-college-closures-and-mergers-2023

Wednesday Sonoma State in CA announced huge cuts to academic programs and elimination of athletics (they're D2 - https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/sonoma-state-ssu-rohnert-park-cuts/). Even public schools are not immune. As mentioned above, the flagship schools and those in major cities will do fine, but schools like UW-Superior and Central Michigan, and similar institutions are in trouble too. (https://www.house.mi.gov/hfa/PDF/FiscalSnapshot/HigherEd_10_Year_University_Enrollment_Trends_Jan2023.pdf)
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muwarrior69

Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 24, 2025, 07:43:31 AMYeah, and a couple of them got banned from the world's premier basketball message board!

They also have Scoop ankle bracelets, but no one wants to go to Scoop Jail.

TallTitan34

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 23, 2025, 08:06:00 PMI can afford to send my Grand Daughter to Marquette, but why would I when she can earn a Bachelor's Degree at Rutgers for one third the cost.

I got a full ride to MSOE, a partial scholarship to Bradley, and not a single cent from Marquette.  I liked Marquette the best on my visit (and they had just come off a Final Four...) so I went with that. 

I was fortunate to have a good chunk paid for using an inheritance from my grandparents, but I still had years of student loans to pay off when I could have just gone to MSOE.

Fun Fact: On my visit to Marquette I saw Tulane's Dan Fitzgerald drop 16 points on Marquette.

Scoop Snoop

Towns with small colleges have long been promoted as great places to live in without the expenses of larger cities. When a college closes the local economy will take a big hit. I would think that it would be very difficult to repurpose the buildings and land. Any success stories that scoopers have heard of?
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Hards Alumni

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 24, 2025, 08:48:06 AMI don't know if I'd say "absolutely fine" as we have been running a deficit, but MU (and larger private schools with similar profiles, like Creighton, Santa Clara, Denver U, Gonzaga, etc.) will be able to adapt and survive due to their national reach, location in cities with access to professional development opportunities, academic reputation, and larger alumni networks. The small liberal arts schools with smaller endowments with lesser academic reputations like Ripon, St. Norbert, Knox, Alma, etc that do not have a niche to attract students (e.g. Hillsdale, Colorado College, St. John's Maryland and New Mexico) are going to be in big trouble moving forward as they won't be able to attract and retain students as parents aren't going to be able to justify the cost combined with the limited return on investment.

Since 2020, 41 colleges have shut down and 32 have merged with other schools. 14 colleges shut down after 2023 alone (Cardinal Stritch up the road), with more announcing they are closing (e.g. Fontbonne in St. Louis) or being restructured or merged with another school, while others are selling off property to stay viable: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/business/financial-health/2023/12/21/look-back-college-closures-and-mergers-2023

Wednesday Sonoma State in CA announced huge cuts to academic programs and elimination of athletics (they're D2 - https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/sonoma-state-ssu-rohnert-park-cuts/). Even public schools are not immune. As mentioned above, the flagship schools and those in major cities will do fine, but schools like UW-Superior and Central Michigan, and similar institutions are in trouble too. (https://www.house.mi.gov/hfa/PDF/FiscalSnapshot/HigherEd_10_Year_University_Enrollment_Trends_Jan2023.pdf)

Let me know when a school of note closes its doors.

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Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 24, 2025, 09:27:03 AMTowns with small colleges have long been promoted as great places to live in without the expenses of larger cities. When a college closes the local economy will take a big hit. I would think that it would be very difficult to repurpose the buildings and land. Any success stories that scoopers have heard of?

Not a small-town college, but here's one example:
https://www.opb.org/article/2022/03/01/concordia-university-portland-campus-new-university-of-oregon-institute/

Here is a small town school being repurposed in an interesting way: https://www.wvnews.com/theet/news/five-months-in-battlers-knob-transforming-alderson-broaddus-west-virginia-campus-into-service-centered-development/article_86c421a4-5f0d-11ef-ae56-93434fd021ce.html
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 24, 2025, 09:27:03 AMTowns with small colleges have long been promoted as great places to live in without the expenses of larger cities. When a college closes the local economy will take a big hit. I would think that it would be very difficult to repurpose the buildings and land. Any success stories that scoopers have heard of?

Not a small town but Cardinal Stritch is being converted to a private grade/high school.
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Shaka Shart

Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 24, 2025, 07:43:31 AMYeah, and a couple of them got banned from the world's premier basketball message board!

Harvard will not be fine
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Shaka Shart

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 24, 2025, 10:12:16 AMNot a small town but Cardinal Stritch is being converted to a private grade/high school.

Marquette was screwed when they didn't acquire and move to this campus location.
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Re: Who's Buzz in Memphis for?

February 17th, 2012

warriorchick

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 24, 2025, 09:27:03 AMTowns with small colleges have long been promoted as great places to live in without the expenses of larger cities. When a college closes the local economy will take a big hit. I would think that it would be very difficult to repurpose the buildings and land. Any success stories that scoopers have heard of?

I spent my Freshman year at St. Joseph's College in Rensselaer, Indiana.  It was at the head of the wave of closures, shutting its doors in 2017.  I drove through Rensselaer a couple of years later, and it was a literal ghost town.  I had heard that many faculty and staff walked away from their homes because there was no one to sell them to.

However, they recently reopened as a trade school.  It was actually a smart move, as most of the local high school graduates do not go to traditional four-year programs, and the closest community colleges are at least an hour's drive.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/tech-innovation/alternative-credentials/2024/09/03/saint-josephs-indiana-shifts-workforce
Have some patience, FFS.

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