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warriorchick

Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 17, 2025, 10:34:28 AMGuys.  It's okay to cook with salt and sugar.  Especially since not much is required to bring flavor out.  The amounts that restaurants use (along with butter/oil) is egregious, but that is what you're paying for and why it shouldn't be done daily.

The best way to add salt is in short bits during cooking, and a tiny bit to finish.  The body needs salt.  Now, of course, there are people with cardiovascular issues that should keep to a low salt diet... but in general, salt is a healthy part of the human diet.

I do agree with you guys about watching what you buy from the store that already has salt and sugar included.  That is important.

Having said all this, I think the main issue we deal with is portion control.

You are usually okay with the amounts of salt most people add to cooking, or even at the table.  I would never add a half-teaspoon of salt in a single serving of anything, but a lot of processed foods have that.
Have some patience, FFS.

#UnleashSean


Jay Bee

Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 17, 2025, 11:37:12 AM@Jay Bee at least use the oven my man

I do get refrigerated meals made at the grocery store that I put in the oven. Pretty good, not crazy portions. #LundsAndByerlys #Chef
Zero rings, but lotsa banners, Baldy.

jesmu84

Dietary salt and sugar intake is pretty much never a significant contributor to any health problems as long as portion control/total calorie control is maintained.

Also, can anyone define "processed" foods?

warriorchick

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 17, 2025, 12:35:11 PMDietary salt and sugar intake is pretty much never a significant contributor to any health problems as long as portion control/total calorie control is maintained.

Also, can anyone define "processed" foods?

The ones that are in the middle of the grocery store.  Shop the walls.
Have some patience, FFS.

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jesmu84

Quote from: warriorchick on January 17, 2025, 12:42:35 PMThe ones that are in the middle of the grocery store.  Shop the walls.

Canned or frozen veggies/meats/fruit would be considered processed?

warriorchick

Frozen is usually okay, not counting stuff like Tater Tots.

Canned veggies can have a lot of salt.  Check the labels.
Have some patience, FFS.

#UnleashSean

Quote from: warriorchick on January 17, 2025, 12:42:35 PMThe ones that are in the middle of the grocery store.  Shop the walls.
I only shop the pig

GOO

#34
There are processed foods and highly processed foods and things in between. Some worse than others, of course. Eg: You can find some veggie burgers that are mostly whole veggies less processed. But most of the fake meat that pretends to be healthy is completely processed with a lot of negative additives. Same with breads, there are some no or low salt, no sugers, that are not highly processed and count as whole grains. 

The suggestion about middle of the store is spot on. Otherwise look at it this way, did it go through a manufacturing process or a plant to make it, if it did it's processed.

Frozen veggies are great and even retain more freshness and vitamins than a lot of of the "fresh" veggies. They just don't roast and cook up as well, or taste as good.

No one is perfect, and I get enough salt and processed junk just living in America eg the pizza I had last night, the Asian take out I'll have later this week with sugers and salt added.

The realization that if you eat like an American, you're going to look like an American and have the health of an American, is a sad but true fact.

jesmu84

At the end of the day, as long as you aren't suffering from end-stage chronic health conditions (diabetes, kidney disease, heart failure, etc), portion control is all that matters.

Dietary sugar or salt amounts, processed foods, etc. None of that matters.


Maintain caloric control and the rest will be perfectly healthy


Scoop Snoop

Quote from: GOO on January 18, 2025, 06:50:29 AMFrozen veggies are great and even retain more freshness and vitamins than a lot of of the "fresh" veggies. They just don't roast and cook up as well, or taste as good.

True. A simple steaming basket in a saucepan cooks fresh vegetables quickly and roasting them adds another dimension to the taste. The "steam in the bag" vegetables end up soggy because the water pools in the bottom of the bag. I prefer fresh broccoli, Brussel sprouts, asparagus, etc.

I usually buy frozen berries though. Fresh ones spoil too quickly and require more frequent trips to the grocery store. A large bag of mixed blueberries, raspberries, blackberries and strawberries offers a variety at a much better cost and zero waste.
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GOO

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 18, 2025, 08:58:17 AMAt the end of the day, as long as you aren't suffering from end-stage chronic health conditions (diabetes, kidney disease, heart failure, etc), portion control is all that matters.

Dietary sugar or salt amounts, processed foods, etc. None of that matters.


Maintain caloric control and the rest will be perfectly healthy



If going to strongly disagree and say science also disagrees. Don't have time now for a long post.

jesmu84

Quote from: GOO on January 18, 2025, 10:57:30 AMIf going to strongly disagree and say science also disagrees. Don't have time now for a long post.

Nah

Jay Bee

Scoop in 2025 = debating cookware and nutrition
Zero rings, but lotsa banners, Baldy.

GOO


TallTitan34


Jay Bee

Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 21, 2025, 08:08:06 AM@Jay Bee did you get your Factors yet?

Scheduled to arrive by 12:30p today. They may be frozen with the weather in the Twin Cities.

I'm if reading their website correctly, steak meals generally appear to cost AN EXTRA $13 fee. Wth
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tower912

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Jay Bee

Green chile queso w chicken thigh pasta and broc

Flavor was very good. I could eat about 4 of these, but I'm good with it for a full meal.
Zero rings, but lotsa banners, Baldy.

Scoop Snoop

#46
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 21, 2025, 11:33:19 AMI could pick this steak up right now.

Lemme guess. You're a good ole' country boy who headed west. Banquet Salisbury steak is a gourmet meal to them. You probably fry up the squirrels you killed too.
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rocky_warrior

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 21, 2025, 12:11:22 PMLemme guess. You're a good ole' country boy who headed west. Banquet Salisbury steak is a gourmet meal to them. You probably fry up the squirrels you killed too.

Growing up that probably did qualify as the finest steak my folks could afford.

The Sultan

Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 21, 2025, 12:40:09 PMGrowing up that probably did qualify as the finest steak my folks could afford.

As a kid, I loved when my parents broke open the wallet so we could get the "chopped steak" at Ponderosa. Running those trays accross the metal "tracks" was another bonus.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

rocky_warrior

Quote from: The Sultan on January 21, 2025, 12:46:16 PMAs a kid, I loved when my parents broke open the wallet so we could get the "chopped steak" at Ponderosa. Running those trays accross the metal "tracks" was another bonus.

Ah ponderosa.  I only sentimentally miss that place.

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