Los Angeles Fires

[The Sultan]

This is from Pacific Palisades.

https://bsky.app/profile/coachfinstock.bsky.social/post/3lfalltlmbs2i

This is the same intersection on street view.

[#UnleashSean]

I have to sign in to view?


Well bye

[The Sultan]

I guess so.

[Shaka Shart]

Yikes that is awful. I was in San Clemente for work a few years back when the Santa Anas swept through and all the sudden a bunch of my coworkers who lived in Irvine had to leave to go get their pets.

Crazy fast spread. with little notice

[jutaw22mu]

My sister lives in Eagle Rock which is proximal to the Eaton/Pasadena fire.  She lost power last night and this morning took her dogs outside and was freaked out enough by all the smoke that she and my brother-in-law packed up their family and some valuables and evacuated in the direction of OC.  Not in mandatory evacuation zone yet, but it looks like it's moved in that direction since the morning.  Really glad they evacuated early so they could find a place to stay and we don't have to worry about them as much now.  She originally wanted to buy a house in Altadena...

[Uncle Rico]

Climate change is a problem.  Oh well.

[rocky_warrior]

I haven't really been following (been too busy checking my list twice).  But the fire & smoke map is one of my favorite resources: https://fire.airnow.gov/

Being a person that lives pretty deep in the forest, I hope my wooded haven can avoid a similar situation for another few decades.

[wadesworld]

Climate change is a problem.  Oh well.

Nope, it's fake news.

[Uncle Rico]

Nope, it's fake news.

At least it'll bring Americans toge—— never mind.

[pbiflyer]

This is from Pacific Palisades.

https://bsky.app/profile/coachfinstock.bsky.social/post/3lfalltlmbs2i

This is the same intersection on street view.

Jeez that looks like the footage from Hiroshima or Dresden.

[Jay Bee]

Tough to loot when everything is ash aina

Really rough situation. Know a number of displaced people. Yikes

[CreightonWarrior]

Jeez that looks like the footage from Hiroshima or Dresden.

Yeah the first footage I've seen without following the situation too closely was that it was a seen out of some sort of nuclear fallout movie. Absolutely insane.

[Hards Alumni]

Tough to loot when everything is ash aina

Really rough situation. Know a number of displaced people. Yikes

Yeah I saw the LA AG (or something similar) say that they had arrested three (!) looters...

Seems like a slow day in LA.

[Billy Hoyle]

Climate change is a problem.  Oh well.

Poor forest management is a bigger problem, which helps these fires become more intense.

[pbiflyer]

Poor forest management is a bigger problem, which helps these fires become more intense.

https://x.com/ayeejuju/status/1877213896739627214

[tower912]

Santa Ana's and careless people are a far greater cause.

[Shaka Shart]

Poor forest management is a bigger problem, which helps these fires become more intense.

West coast does not prescribe controlled burns nearly enough, especially when we want our cake and to eat it to with living and infrastructure in "natural" areas. Fair. Power lines and human behavior cause a lot of bad burns, with population that's only pushing further into these areas.

To say it is a far more significant driver than the whiplash of yearly 100 year rain events then rapid drought level heat drying the vegetation and creating a region's worth of kindling, and this occuring in early January out of fire season? That's delusion or bad faith argumentativeness.

[Uncle Rico]

Poor forest management is a bigger problem, which helps these fires become more intense.

Poor forest management is part of human hubris when it comes to nature.  Methinks this will grow exponentially as we move forward with our greed

[tower912]

Forest management is to this particular fire as team ft% is to efg%.  A factor.  Far from the factor.

[Billy Hoyle]

West coast does not prescribe controlled burns nearly enough, especially when we want our cake and to eat it to with living and infrastructure in "natural" areas. Fair. Power lines and human behavior cause a lot of bad burns, with population that's only pushing further into these areas.

To say it is a far more significant driver than the whiplash of yearly 100 year rain events then rapid drought level heat drying the vegetation and creating a region's worth of kindling, and this occuring in early January out of fire season? That's delusion or bad faith argumentativeness.

I'm not saying it is the biggest problem, there are many issues going on here but the intensity of the fire can be partially attributed to California's poor management of forests, which has led over-accumulation of biomass in trees and on forest floors. It makes forests vulnerable to raging and fast moving forest fires, especially during dry seasons, even more so when winds are blowing.

Is climate change part of the cause? Yes, but not the only cause. The severity could likely have been mitigated through proper forest management.

[Shaka Shart]

I'm not saying it is the biggest problem, there are many issues going on here but the intensity of the fire can be partially attributed to California's poor management of forests, which has led over-accumulation of biomass in trees and on forest floors. It makes forests vulnerable to raging and fast moving forest fires, especially during dry seasons, even more so when winds are blowing.

Is climate change part of the cause? Yes, but not the only cause. The severity could likely have been mitigated through proper forest management.

"not the only cause" ≠ "is a bigger problem" as you originally said.

What is causing the rapid overaccumulation of biomass? All the forests were managed going back into BC years until Greenpeace came along?

Climate change increases the need for more robust forest management for the reasons I stated above, torrential precipitation followed by drought. It has always been about the extremes, not purely "warming".

The trees were there first and not being forest managed before, but yet the acreage of the forests burning down keeps increasing and at times of year not previously seen with this severity. Wonder why that is?

[tower912]

Minnesota-Rams game moved to Arizona.

[warriorchick]

Minnesota-Rams game moved to Arizona.

Ironic that they moved the game to State Farm Stadium given that they stopped selling property insurance in California.

[Scoop Snoop]

One of the major factors in forest fires is the species of trees in an area. Conifers are loaded with resin and can almost explode in a raging fire, while a fire in a hardwood forest may be brought under control, but with the very strong winds? Maybe it would not make much difference.

There was a forest fire on the property across from us that started when power lines were knocked down by a falling tree. The fire was mostly burning pine trees that ignited due to burning underbrush, but the hardwoods were barely scorched. The fire was quickly brought under control as the hardwoods were predominant. I'm not comparing a fire that singed about 5 acres before being extinguished-just mentioning that not all forest fires have the same dynamics. Conifers, steep slopes, super dry conditions and very strong winds combine to create the perfect storm. Forest management might have helped, but I doubt that it would have made much difference.   

[Shaka Shart]

One of the major factors in forest fires is the species of trees in an area. Conifers are loaded with resin and can almost explode in a raging fire, while a fire in a hardwood forest may be brought under control, but with the very strong winds? Maybe it would not make much difference.

There was a forest fire on the property across from us that started when power lines were knocked down by a falling tree. The fire was mostly burning pine trees that ignited due to burning underbrush, but the hardwoods were barely scorched. The fire was quickly brought under control as the hardwoods were predominant. I'm not comparing a fire that singed about 5 acres before being extinguished-just mentioning that not all forest fires have the same dynamics. Conifers, steep slopes, super dry conditions and very strong winds combine to create the perfect storm. Forest management might have helped, but I doubt that it would have made much difference.   

You could cut down all of the trees I guess