Unconn

[chicagowarrior]

Ha

That's all

Congrats Buffalos

[MUMountin]

Sko buffs!

[79Warrior]

Ha

That's all

Congrats Buffalos

Nope. I prefer to see the BE perform well in non-conference. Creighton also lost agin today. Not so good.

[mug644]

FWIW, I think Hurley and UConn will be justified in feeling that the inconsistency between yesterday's over the back call (against McNeeley and UConn) and today's over the back no-call (allowing the Colorado player to rebound over McNeeley) is unfair. My own feeling is that yesterday should've been a no-call and today was a foul. So, IMHO, both went against UConn. And contributed to their loses. Alas and alack for them.

[#UnleashSean]

FWIW, I think Hurley and UConn will justified in feeling that the inconsistency between yesterday's over the back call (against McNeeley and UConn) and today's over the back no-call (allowing the Colorado player to rebound over McNeeley) is unfair. My own feeling is that yesterday should've been a no-call and today was a foul. So, IMHO, both went against UConn. And contributed to their loses. Alas and alack for them.

Just the standard post about "over the back" not existing as a rule. You should never be punished for being taller, stronger, or more athletic then an opponent.

What most people think is "over the back" is generally a push. However if I can reach over you without pushing you, there is no foul.

[mug644]

Just the standard post about "over the back" not existing as a rule. You should never be punished for being taller, stronger, or more athletic then an opponent.

What most people think is "over the back" is generally a push. However if I can reach over you without pushing you, there is no foul.

Regardless of my "standard post," I hope you see that my take on the two plays was irrelevant of the concept of over the back though I did use that term. Yesterday, McNeeley successfully grabbed a rebound above the Memphis player. Today, the Colorado player used his left hand to hold McNeeley down while grabbing the rebound.

[rocky_warrior]

Just the standard post about "over the back" not existing as a rule.

Sure, but even coaches call it that...

[#UnleashSean]

Sure, but even coaches call it that...

Yes even coaches don't understand a lot of rules.

My only technical as a coach was letting a ref know that what he called wasn't a rule.

[#UnleashSean]

Regardless of my "standard post," I hope you see that my take on the two plays was irrelevant of the concept of over the back though I did use that term. Yesterday, McNeeley successfully grabbed a rebound above the Memphis player. Today, the Colorado player used his left hand to hold McNeeley down while grabbing the rebound.

Not your "standard" post. My standard post of telling people over the back isn't a rule, and even more misunderstood then a "carry" when someone dribbles above their head.

[rocky_warrior]

My only technical as a coach was letting a ref know that what he called wasn't a rule.

Guess you didn't learn a lesson from that either. 

[muwarrior69]

UCONN should have worn UW uniforms. No fouls would have been called against them.

Hey! No teal!

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Just the standard post about "over the back" not existing as a rule. You should never be punished for being taller, stronger, or more athletic then an opponent.

What most people think is "over the back" is generally a push. However if I can reach over you without pushing you, there is no foul.

A push isn't necessary. If Player A reaches above Player B, who is in legal rebounding position, and B jumps straight up to rebound and causes contact with Player A's arms, it is the foul on A because they violated the principle of verticality.

The problem yesterday is that the Memphis player was no way in legal rebounding position. He was still moving laterally toward the ball.

[forgetful]

A push isn't necessary. If Player A reaches above Player B, who is in legal rebounding position, and B jumps straight up to rebound and causes contact with Player A's arms, it is the foul on A because they violated the principle of verticality.

The problem yesterday is that the Memphis player was no way in legal rebounding position. He was still moving laterally toward the ball.

I was about to say something similar, but yours is much better stated than what I was going to say.

Over-the-back is widely used as a term, because it deals with a player making illegal contact with an opposing player who is in legal rebounding position, typically by trying to reach over their back.

The semantics of "over-the-back" not being a foul would be like saying "reaching in" is not a foul, because illegal contact has to be made. Yes, it is true, but the other language is used to describe the method by which illegal contact is made and then has use.

[mug644]

I really appreciate the insights you all are giving about the notion of 'over the back.'

Being practical, how do you apply that to the calls in the last two UConn games? Was the call against McNelley "over" Memphis correct? Was the no-call of McNelley "under" Colorado correct?

I wish I had the skills to add links to the videos of each occurrence. Oh well.

[forgetful]

I really appreciate the insights you all are giving about the notion of 'over the back.'

Being practical, how do you apply that to the calls in the last two UConn games? Was the call against McNelley "over" Memphis correct? Was the no-call of McNelley "under" Colorado correct?

I wish I had the skills to add links to the videos of each occurrence. Oh well.

The call in the Memphis game was 50/50 in my opinion. I'm fine with it being called, but also agree with others above that the Memphis player was not really in position, but sliding over. That said, I've seen that foul called pretty often.

The no-call against Colorado was horrendous. Definitely a foul, should be called a foul every time.

[MU82]

Bilas said he wouldn't have called a foul on either play. His reasoning was basically the ol' "let them play."

By rule, though, yesterday's should have been a no-call and today's should have been a foul.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I really appreciate the insights you all are giving about the notion of 'over the back.'

Being practical, how do you apply that to the calls in the last two UConn games? Was the call against McNelley "over" Memphis correct? Was the no-call of McNelley "under" Colorado correct?

I wish I had the skills to add links to the videos of each occurrence. Oh well.

I didn't watch the Colorado game. For the Memphis game, that was not a foul. There was contact, which is allowed, but  there was no push. The Memphis guy was moving laterally, so not in a legal position, and the UConn guy just got the ball.

Forgetful is right that it is called at times, but it shouldn't be.

[brewcity77]

I don't know what strings Danny will pull, but this UConn team looks lost. The offense is okay, but they clearly miss the strength and leadership of Newton. Defensively, they are a mess. Mahaney looks like he'll be unplayable in the Big East with his defense. Their bigs can't stay on the court, which really hurts their rim protection. And there's no lockdown defender like Jackson or Castle that can disrupt the opponent's best player.

Hurley can blame officials all he wants, but the talent just isn't good enough.

[dgies9156]

Hurley needs to quit whining and start coaching.

Good teams adapt to game conditions.

Mediocre teams whine about officiating.

[Scoop Snoop]

Hurley needs to quit whining and start coaching.

Good teams adapt to game conditions.

Mediocre teams and fans whine about officiating.

FIFY

I'll add announcers to the officiating whiners, with Bilas being the King of Officiating Whining. How many times has that jerk gone on and on about what HE declares to be a foul or not a foul while the game is in progress?

[Its DJOver]

Hurley needs to quit whining and start coaching.

Good teams adapt to game conditions.

Mediocre teams whine about officiating.

I think every call against Dean in the Ohio State game was correct. I don't know why people would complain about the officiating. 

[Scoop Snoop]

I think every call against Dean in the Ohio State game was correct. I don't know why people would complain about the officiating. 

Fair enough. I'll cover my ass by saying chronic bitching. It's always "the refs gave them the game!" as if the refs conspire to do just that.

Are there some specific examples of bad officiating? Hell yes. Georgetown was up 2 at the end of a game (TCU?) last year and the replay showed that the opponent very clearly stepped out of bounds by a lot enroute to making a buzzer-beater 3. The ref missed it, and it was not reviewable. Fanta screamed "Georgetown got robbed!". They certainly did.

Enroute to our natty, Jerome Whitehead got away with a goal tend when he scored the winning basket vs, UNCC. Says who? Al, years later. He said he joined the argument about whether or not the shot was in time just to distract from the little issue of the goal tend from the refs. He said that he knew it was in time. And that it was a goal tend.

Fieldhouse informed us that Dayton won the game vs. NC, but the refs gave it to NC. That's the kind of BS I am referring to.

[Its DJOver]

Always complaining about officiating vs continuing to complain 50 years after the fact. I have no desire to get into a discussion concerning which is the worse look.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Hurley needs to quit whining and start coaching.

Good teams adapt to game conditions.

Mediocre teams whine about officiating.

Hurley does this all of the time and has won back to back championships.

[Scoop Snoop]

Hurley does this all of the time and has won back to back championships.

I really hate it when you provide indisputable examples.