Marquette Retiring Jim Chones Jersey

[Nukem2]

We had 19 fouls called on us. They had 17 fouls called on them. I'm willing to believe it was a badly reffed game, but a foul disparity of 2 is likely not the worst reffed game in Marquette history.

FTR, I support Chones jersey bring retired.

The issue was definitely not the number of fouls but the very  questionable offensive fouls called on Dean Meminger that led to him fouling out with the game on the line.

[Lennys Tap]

As I said, other than timing.   Both burned out.  Both unhappy with where the game was headed

This is the second time you've asserted that McGuire was "unhappy with where the game was going". This is false. Al loved where the game was going and celebrated it for years as a broadcaster. He just didn't want to coach anymore.

[Lennys Tap]

About as far fetched as Donald Trump becoming president.

Whoops! See you after November 5th. You must have missed Rocky's edict.

[4everwarriors]

Marquette was 50-1 in games Chones played. If not for multiple bad calls against Dean Meminger vs Ohio State, that record would be 51-0. His family was dirt poor. He didn't desert his team, he followed the advice of his coach and mentor. This is long overdue. Anyone who has a problem with that he left or how he left needs to get over it.

Solid and spot on, per usual, Lenny Man! Also, Al showed us, time and time again, that he was a visionary and so far ahead of his time, hey?

[The Sultan]

Solid and spot on, per usual, Lenny Man! Also, Al showed us, time and time again, that he was a visionary and so far ahead of his time, hey?

Huh.

[4everwarriors]

Follow along Fluffy BM. Doesn't get much easier to comprehend than this. Basically elementary stuff, aina?

[dgies9156]

During the last decade on Scoop, there seemingly have been dozens of "worst officiated games in Marquette history."

The refs hate us. That's just science.

Honestly, I've rarely complained about refs. But the tOSU game in 1971 is the only one in which we were screwed. Even the Miami of Ohio game in 1978, we did it to ourselves.

You adjust to refs and hope they are consistent. Good or bad. Im not sure we could have that day.

[tower912]

This is the second time you've asserted that McGuire was "unhappy with where the game was going". This is false. Al loved where the game was going and celebrated it for years as a broadcaster. He just didn't want to coach anymore.

I just reread the chapter in the the Pipines book where Majerus talks about Al.  All Majerus quotes
...after 26 years, he was looking for a change
...he admitted he had lost interest in the game.
...He didn't feel appreciated by the administration at Marquette.   It was time for him to quit anyway, but it felt like a magical moment.
Majerus, quoting Al, 'I couldn't have made it today.'

George Thompson:  As far as the Big East,  that's the reason Al quit.
...Al was just basically fed up with the game from the standpoint of all the stuff a college coach had to do.

I guess that book is where I got that idea.

[Galway Eagle]

By that standard only the guys who played on the 77 team should have their Jerseys retired.

That's not quite true it'd create a mandate where you'd have to have been on a conference championship team or team that made a FF (which is referred to as a regional championship) that limits us to anyone on 74 77 94 97 03 13 23 which is plenty of great players.   

[Lennys Tap]

I just reread the chapter in the the Pipines book where Majerus talks about Al.  All Majerus quotes
...after 26 years, he was looking for a change
...he admitted he had lost interest in the game.
...He didn't feel appreciated by the administration at Marquette.   It was time for him to quit anyway, but it felt like a magical moment.
Majerus, quoting Al, 'I couldn't have made it today.'

George Thompson:  As far as the Big East,  that's the reason Al quit.
...Al was just basically fed up with the game from the standpoint of all the stuff a college coach had to do.

I guess that book is where I got that idea.

???
After 26 years, looking for a change.
Lost interest in coaching.
Didn't feel appreciated by the administration.
Fed up with all the stuff a coach had to do.
Years later, "I couldn't have made it today".

None of this indicates someone who's had it with where the game was going. 1,2 and 4 are a guy just tired of coaching. 3 is a guy pissed at MU. 5 is a guy saying sometime in the future that he wouldn't fit in with how the game was then (in the future).

How you got the idea you got reading that book I don't know.

Al never liked anything about coaching but the games - he ditched practice on a regular basis and left most of the teaching to Hank. He was 47 years old, pretty well off financially and had other, more lucrative opportunities. He'd spent enough years being happy at his job 30+ days a year.

[brewcity77]

Whoops! See you after November 5th. You must have missed Rocky's edict.

Nothing in my DMs, nothing in the site rules thread, and I don't read every thread on here. If there's an edict, it wasn't made public very far or wide. 🤷‍♂️

[THRILLHO]

As I said, other than timing.   Both burned out.  Both unhappy with where the game was headed

Other than timing??? The only complaint is the timing!

[The Sultan]

Follow along Fluffy BM. Doesn't get much easier to comprehend than this. Basically elementary stuff, aina?

It's just ironic.  That's all.

[tower912]

???
After 26 years, looking for a change.
Lost interest in coaching.
Didn't feel appreciated by the administration.
Fed up with all the stuff a coach had to do.
Years later, "I couldn't have made it today".

None of this indicates someone who's had it with where the game was going. 1,2 and 4 are a guy just tired of coaching. 3 is a guy pissed at MU. 5 is a guy saying sometime in the future that he wouldn't fit in with how the game was then (in the future).

How you got the idea you got reading that book I don't know.

Al never liked anything about coaching but the games - he ditched practice on a regular basis and left most of the teaching to Hank. He was 47 years old, pretty well off financially and had other, more lucrative opportunities. He'd spent enough years being happy at his job 30+ days a year.

The least surprising thing is that we would disagree on this.   

[The Lens]

Al quit bc he wanted to make some real money.  He thought Medalist was his ticket.  Turns out that it was TV & speaking fees.

[Nukem2]

???
After 26 years, looking for a change.
Lost interest in coaching.
Didn't feel appreciated by the administration.
Fed up with all the stuff a coach had to do.
Years later, "I couldn't have made it today".

None of this indicates someone who's had it with where the game was going. 1,2 and 4 are a guy just tired of coaching. 3 is a guy pissed at MU. 5 is a guy saying sometime in the future that he wouldn't fit in with how the game was then (in the future).

How you got the idea you got reading that book I don't know.

Al never liked anything about coaching but the games - he ditched practice on a regular basis and left most of the teaching to Hank. He was 47 years old, pretty well off financially and had other, more lucrative opportunities. He'd spent enough years being happy at his job 30+ days a year.

Yup, he just wanted to do something else in life and wanted to make more money. Medalist provided that opportunity but he diverted then to TV.

[TedBaxter]

The interesting thing about Jim Chones and Marquette is that he had committed to Michigan State and opened up his recruiting after the Michigan State head coach died.  Those were Chones words at the reunion.  I think he also said Marquette hadn't shown much interest in him up to this point.

I'm asking because I was too young to follow Marquette in 1969.  Is this true that Al McGuire hadn't shown much interest in Chones until the spring of his senior year after he decommitted?   Hard for me to believe with Marquette only 30 miles away and in that era where Marquette recruited the Catholic Conference pretty hard.  Al had his own son in the same recruiting class.

Would love to hear about this recruiting.

[cheebs09]

It's definitely a bummer to not have seen how the rest of the year would have gone if Chines stayed. However, the looking in the refrigerator story is one of those things that makes Al the legend he was. The whole using basketball and not letting it use you.

[Viper]

We had 19 fouls called on us. They had 17 fouls called on them. I'm willing to believe it was a badly reffed game, but a foul disparity of 2 is likely not the worst reffed game in Marquette history.

FTR, I support Chones jersey bring retired.

when were you born, 1990? Commenting based on an on-line stat sheet? Some of the fouls called on MU were ridiculous. The discrepancy was not the issue...it was what was called.

[Viper]

The issue was definitely not the number of fouls but the very  questionable offensive fouls called on Dean Meminger that led to him fouling out with the game on the line.

I should have read your comment before posting. You are 100% correct.

[Boston Warrior]

Retiring Jim Chones jersey is a no brainer. 50 wins 1 loss, nba player, leading scorer and rebounder on great teams. If you don't have Chones, do you get McNeil, Lucas, Ellis etc?
He was a very important foundational piece in marquette's success, in an important time in the formation of the nba's success.

[Lennys Tap]

The interesting thing about Jim Chones and Marquette is that he had committed to Michigan State and opened up his recruiting after the Michigan State head coach died.  Those were Chones words at the reunion.  I think he also said Marquette hadn't shown much interest in him up to this point.

I'm asking because I was too young to follow Marquette in 1969.  Is this true that Al McGuire hadn't shown much interest in Chones until the spring of his senior year after he decommitted?   Hard for me to believe with Marquette only 30 miles away and in that era where Marquette recruited the Catholic Conference pretty hard.  Al had his own son in the same recruiting class.

Would love to hear about this recruiting.

I honestly don't remember much news on Jim's recruiting. Back in those days recruiting rankings were pretty much non existent and so was news on the subject. Fans basically found out things after the fact. I do recall it was us and MSU for Chones but did not know he had committed to MSU. Hard to believe Al wasn't all in - he valued the "aircraft carrier" and Chones was the best one he ever had.

[Nukem2]

Don't know that he actually committed to MSU but rather leaning that way to go away from home until his dad got cancer and he decided to stay closer to home. Per an SI archived article, George Thompson then convinced Jim on his visit to go to MU.

[Gato78]

Don't know that he actually committed to MSU but rather leaning that way to go away from home until his dad got cancer and he decided to stay closer to home. Per an SI archived article, George Thompson then convinced Jim on his visit to go to MU.

Chones actually comitted to Michigan State but the coach died so he opened it backup.

[Scoop Snoop]

Brother Goose:

We were there. We know!

I was there also. While Marquette had already earned the respect of college bball fans, with Chones we had become the top college team. If I recall, we were preseason #1 and the early favorite to win the natty. Good thing I was young when I heard the news, or I might have had a coronary. I remember being first in shock, then numb.

This is a case of "you had to be there!". I think that's the reason for the disconnect with some of the younger scoopers here.