Marquette Retiring Jim Chones Jersey

[Nukem2]

How often does the topic even come up? Maybe every 5-10 years? And if those donors were also board members reinforcing past criteria like postseason accomplishments and a diploma, is it that far fetched? It's not like this has been a constant cry from the fans going unresolved.

He did graduate in 1999.

[The Sultan]

How often does the topic even come up? Maybe every 5-10 years? And if those donors were also board members reinforcing past criteria like postseason accomplishments and a diploma, is it that far fetched? It's not like this has been a constant cry from the fans going unresolved.

Yes. It's far fetched.

[tower912]

I have no strong opinion either way about Chones.  A name of legend for me.  I have no objection to hanging more jerseys.  But in the name of consistency...  and because it is sometimes fun to play devil's advocate...

Why hang a jersey for a guy who never won anything and went pro in the middle of his second season, leaving his teammates in the lurch?

[Lennys Tap]

Marquette was 50-1 in games Chones played. If not for multiple bad calls against Dean Meminger vs Ohio State, that record would be 51-0. His family was dirt poor. He didn't desert his team, he followed the advice of his coach and mentor. This is long overdue. Anyone who has a problem with that he left or how he left needs to get over it.

[tower912]

I have no problem.  I wasn't there.  Just like I have no opinion of Kojis or George Thompson.    I get that he was poor.   Hence my earlier reference to the legendary empty refrigerator story and NIL contemplation.    But, he won nothing and left midseason.   Those are facts, too.   

So, what is the standard?   Is there one?

[mileskishnish72]

Marquette was 50-1 in games Chones played. If not for multiple bad calls against Dean Meminger vs Ohio State, that record would be 51-0. His family was dirt poor. He didn't desert his team, he followed the advice of his coach and mentor. This is long overdue. Anyone who has a problem with that he left or how he left needs to get over it.

Nailed it.

[dgies9156]

Marquette was 50-1 in games Chones played. If not for multiple bad calls against Dean Meminger vs Ohio State, that record would be 51-0.

Brother Tower:

You can cite a lot of statistics but this is the one that mattered. Never before or since has a Marquette University basketball team performed like that.

Mike Mills, Mr. Chones' replacement, was a serviceable center but he wasn't Mr. Chones. He could not lead our team as Mr. Chones did.

You can talk about scoring titles, about BEast POYs and as many statistics as you want. But 50-1 says it all. I suspect there isn't a Scooper today that wouldn't settle for a 50-1 record in the next two years!

If we go 50-1 over the next 51 games, I'd put the whole team in the rafters — and Coach Shaka too!

[tower912]

So, no standards.

How is Chones leaving for the NBA substantively different than kids today transferring for more NIL money?

Other than timing, how is Bennett substantively different from Coach McGuire?  Both felt burned out and didn't like where the game was heading.

[dgies9156]

How is Chones leaving for the NBA substantively different than kids today transferring for more NIL money?

Other than timing, how is Bennett substantively different from Coach McGuire?  Both felt burned out and didn't like where the game was heading.

It isn't. If one of our guys stayed two years and was the core of a 50-1 team, if he's not up there it would be sinful.

50-1 is the standard.

[Goose]

dgies

You are 100% correct. Silly that this topic is even being debated.

[dgies9156]

Brother Goose:

We were there. We know!

[Its DJOver]

Funny, I remember being told for years that the only thing that matters is March success. November/December wins mean nothing. How the goal posts have shifted.

[HutchwasClutch]

So, no standards.

How is Chones leaving for the NBA substantively different than kids today transferring for more NIL money?

Other than timing, how is Bennett substantively different from Coach McGuire?  Both felt burned out and didn't like where the game was heading.

Al was a charming free spirit whose life was not defined by basketball or being a coach.  He had lots of interests and things he liked to do besides basketball. 

I don't think anyone would confuse Bennett with these traits.  I think reasons for their exits were mostly for very different reasons.

[dgies9156]

Funny, I remember being told for years that the only thing that matters is March success. November/December wins mean nothing. How the goal posts have shifted.

Brother DJ:

We were badly screwed in Athens, GA in 1971. Lot of theories as to why (perhaps Adolph the Bigot whispered) but the fact was that game against tOSU was the worst reffed game in Marquette history.

Too many people fighting against what Marquette stood for. Lots of coaches hated our physical style of play, especially teams in finess leagues.

Please read what I said earlier about what Mr. Chones meant to us.

[brewcity77]

Yes. It's far fetched.

About as far fetched as Donald Trump becoming president.

[Its DJOver]

Brother DJ:

We were badly screwed in Athens, GA in 1971. Lot of theories as to why (perhaps Adolph the Bigot whispered) but the fact was that game against tOSU was the worst reffed game in Marquette history.

Too many people fighting against what Marquette stood for. Lots of coaches hated our physical style of play, especially teams in finess leagues.

Please read what I said earlier about what Mr. Chones meant to us.

Please read what I wrote earlier when I said that he should be honored the way he will be.

What I find hilariously ironic is that when discussing something where there is no set standard on what accomplishments someone needs to receive this honor, posters will cite statistics that reinforce their view that a player should/should not be recognized, and then completely ignore those exact same statistics when discussing another player.

Also, complaining about refs 50 years after the fact is pretty pathetic.  Say it to the players in the moment if they play better with a chip on their shoulder, but carrying onto it for decades is just petty.

[Nukem2]

So, no standards.

How is Chones leaving for the NBA substantively different than kids today transferring for more NIL money?

Other than timing, how is Bennett substantively different from Coach McGuire?  Both felt burned out and didn't like where the game was heading.

Chones did not not go to another school and he did get his MU degree in 1999 and he he left mostly at Al's behest. Re Al, he said he was retiring at the end of the season...far different than just walking away almost 2 months into the school year.

[tower912]

As I said, other than timing.   Both burned out.  Both unhappy with where the game was headed

[HutchwasClutch]

Please read what I wrote earlier when I said that he should be honored the way he will be.

What I find hilariously ironic is that when discussing something where there is no set standard on what accomplishments someone needs to receive this honor, posters will cite statistics that reinforce their view that a player should/should not be recognized, and then completely ignore those exact same statistics when discussing another player.

Also, complaining about refs 50 years after the fact is pretty pathetic.  Say it to the players in the moment if they play better with a chip on their shoulder, but carrying onto it for decades is just petty.

I'll take the Fail Mary in Seattle to my grave.  Egregiously bad officiating masquerading as being fair and impartial has that effect.  Being a true fan is all about passion, win or lose. 

[Nukem2]

As I said, other than timing.   Both burned out.  Both unhappy with where the game was headed

Dramatically different timing though. Al mostly wanted to pursue other avenues in life and felt underpaid.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Brother DJ:

We were badly screwed in Athens, GA in 1971. Lot of theories as to why (perhaps Adolph the Bigot whispered) but the fact was that game against tOSU was the worst reffed game in Marquette history.

We had 19 fouls called on us. They had 17 fouls called on them. I'm willing to believe it was a badly reffed game, but a foul disparity of 2 is likely not the worst reffed game in Marquette history.

FTR, I support Chones jersey bring retired.

[Shooter McGavin]

Brother Goose:

We were there. We know!

I wasn't there and agree.  If he was that dominant of a force, and no one is disagreeing that he was (very telling), hang the banner.

There is nuance to all these arguments for player's numbers being hung in the rafters.  50-1 seems to steam roll nuance. 

[muwarrior69]

I have no problem.  I wasn't there.  Just like I have no opinion of Kojis or George Thompson.    I get that he was poor.   Hence my earlier reference to the legendary empty refrigerator story and NIL contemplation.    But, he won nothing and left midseason.   Those are facts, too.   

So, what is the standard?   Is there one?

By that standard only the guys who played on the 77 team should have their Jerseys retired.

[MU82]

During the last decade on Scoop, there seemingly have been dozens of "worst officiated games in Marquette history."

The refs hate us. That's just science.

[tower912]

By that standard only the guys who played on the 77 team should have their Jerseys retired.

Yup.   I don't care if Chones jersey is in the rafters.  Good for him and good for MU.