Starting line ups/rotations 24-25

[Shooter McGavin]

Yep, people jumping on the unknown (DO) at the expense of the know (BG/DJ) confound me.

Not sure this is mutually exclusive. 

Also, many of the people who agree with you and Tower thinks Owens will be the sixth man.  Meaning a difference maker.

Im not sold either way because I have not seen him play other than you tube highlights.

But I find it encouraging that normally restrained posters who have previously remained cautious on freshman impact prior to seasons starting are a little more optimistic about DO than other freshmen.

[Its DJOver]

The point I am trying to make is that really you currently have no point.

No one is anointing him anything. No savior. Simply that by everything out of camp he's going to contribute immediately. Likely more than Kam did.

Basically your entire basis is "I've been fooled too many times by freshman, so nothing else matters. Must prove it in November"

Fine. But massively flawed.

Shaka, MU, and Shaka at MU are all 3 not immune to freshman having the EXACT year that people in the know are setting as an expectation for Owens

Just wild that there's push back on saying the guy is a top end bench and BE caliber lol

You'd think someone said he was 1st team all America.

I like that you say that I don't have a point and then make my point for me. He's an unknown player. I expect nothing from unknown players, that way I can't be disappointed. I would be absolutely shocked if he puts up Kams freshman production. Also, the only one that has used words like anoint is you. What I'm saying is prove it in actual games, not just is summer work outs and one open practice.

[brewcity77]

So if people are hearing good things about a freshman they shouldn't talk about it because it doesn't mean anything until November? Seems to defeat the point of a team message board if you don't want people to post messages relating to what they hear about the team.

[Jay Bee]

If Damarius can hit from deep at a clip of 13.0% or better, he should get 40 mpg

[Its DJOver]

So if people are hearing good things about a freshman they shouldn't talk about it because it doesn't mean anything until November? Seems to defeat the point of a team message board if you don't want people to post messages relating to what they hear about the team.

You can talk about him as much as you want.  I have neither the power or desire to control what others post.  Just understand that from a historical perspective, it's unlikely that he will have the production that some are anticipating. If you think that he will be the exception, that's fine, I genuinely hope that it happens because it means that we will have more team success.  I just would prefer more evidence than summer coach talk, summer highlight videos, and one open practice before I will be convinced.

[StillAWarrior]

Just understand that from a historical perspective, it's unlikely that he will have the production that some are anticipating.

March 9, 2022: Just understand that from a historical perspective, it's unlikely that Marquette will advance beyond the semifinals in the Big East Tournament.

[Its DJOver]

March 9, 2022: Just understand that from a historical perspective, it's unlikely that Marquette will advance beyond the semifinals in the Big East Tournament.

Kinda an apples to oranges comparison don't you think?

[wadesworld]

You can talk about him as much as you want.  I have neither the power or desire to control what others post.  Just understand that from a historical perspective, it's unlikely that he will have the production that some are anticipating. If you think that he will be the exception, that's fine, I genuinely hope that it happens because it means that we will have more team success.  I just would prefer more evidence than summer coach talk, summer highlight videos, and one open practice before I will be convinced.

There aren't a ton of datapoints with Shaka at MU. 3 years here. Shaka played a lot of newcomers a lot of minutes year one, but that's because he had to. Year 2 played the returners a ton, with Chase getting 17 mpg and Sean 12 mpg as freshmen. Last year had a ton of returning minutes, so very few minutes available for freshmen. Going into this year, there are minutes out there for the freshmen to take. I'd assume Zaide and Tre will get the first opportunity at those minutes, but neither consistently showed they'll hold off decent talent.

Shaka did play freshmen a lot at Texas. But that talent was higher level than at MU.

[Shooter McGavin]

So if people are hearing good things about a freshman they shouldn't talk about it because it doesn't mean anything until November? Seems to defeat the point of a team message board if you don't want people to post messages relating to what they hear about the team.

100%.  Glad you are posting optimistic projections.  If it wasn't warranted I'm sure you wouldn't.

[Elonsmusk]

If Damarius can hit from deep at a clip of 13.0% or better, he should get 40 mpg

Putting him in the rarified air of Derrick Wilson.  Oh.  But wait.  We don't have the brilliant Wojo coaching our squad anymore.

[wadesworld]

Putting him in the rarified air of Derrick Wilson.  Oh.  But wait.  We don't have the brilliant Wojo coaching our squad anymore.

Or Buzz!

[El Guerrero 2]

I'm hoping DO follows the Justin Lewis trajectory but stays three years instead of two. Optimistic, undoubtedly; impossible, no.

[duanewade]

In his 3 years, Shaka's starters have combined for 130, 145, & 148 mpg combined. This team isn't quite at the level of the last two teams in terms of first team dominance, but I don't think we'll see a true platoon like Kur/Oso that pulled down the 2022 starter minutes.

Our sixth man has always been heavy in the rotation, getting 18, 19, & 21 mpg. Players 7/8 have always been at 16+ minutes.

With that in mind, expect Kam/Stevie/Chase/Jop/Gold to combine for roughly 140 minutes.

I think we can expect our sixth man (Owens is my guess) to get 20 mpg and the next two (Tre & Zaide) to get around 15 each. That's 50 combined.

That would leave about 10 minutes for Caedin, Royce, and the walk-ons. I'd guess most of that goes to Caedin. I think he will get 10-12 backing up Ben & Jop (with Gold sliding to the 4 when Caedin replaces Jop).

That would be a 9-man rotation, which would match 2022 as shaka deepest here.

It's going to be a very long year if Shaka and his staff don't think outside the box. 

This season is penciling out to be 2004 all over again as we went from the Final 4 to even having our NIT bubble burst below us.

In 2004 we had zero post play and limited rebounding and a limited movement offense where everyone stood around waiting for Diener to launch a 3.  Granted this year's team has way more athletic ability than the 2004 roster and can score attacking the basket and in transition too.  Shaka also is way more astute than Tom Crean who often wasn't able to see what was clear to every fan including those with nosebleed seats. 

If 6-9 260lb. Caeden Hamilton is only going to get 10 minutes a game then tell him to transfer now to a program that won't play Ben Gold, a 6-10 uncommitted rebounder with no post moves, ahead of him.

If we want to win now then then a starting lineup and rotation needs to look something like this:
1 - Kam/Tre
2 - Stevie/Kam/Chase/Lowery
3 - Owens/Chase/Lowery
4 - Parham/Gold/Joplin
5 - Hamilton/Gold

Lots of good players above that can play multiple positions.  However, we must, must, must have an inside presence who can score in the post, rebound at a high level and alter shots.  There is a reason why UConn and Purdue played for the national championship game last year in that the game is a lot easier when you have a dominant inside post presence. 

My prediction is Hamilton won't be our MVP, but will become the most important person on our roster as no one else on our roster can replace his big body, skill-set, and game.

I give Parham the start at the 4 because, unless Gold has become a much more consistent outside shooter, Parham is a better outside shooter, more athletic, and is a good shot blocker who gives us overall more than Gold does.  I love David Joplin and his family, however I don't love his game which includes clumsy dribbling, sporadic rebounding, below average defense and streaky shooting. 

I'm also a huge Al Amadou fan!  Love that he works hard everyday and didn't transfer.  He's silly athletic and can develop into an impact player.  However, in hindsight they should have redshirted him last year to save a year of eligibility on the back end.  I would like to see him redshirt this year and then come back next year with 3 years of eligibility and entering his 20's where muscle starts to stick to your frame.  I could see him developing into a switchable at the 2/3/4 who can become a Dennis Rodman/Scottie Pippen type of defensive menace who also prospers at offensive rebounding, steals and finishing in transition.  He might have the largest upside of any player we have but like guys like Jimmy Butler, he might not reach his peak until his mid 20's. 

[The Sultan]

My prediction is Hamilton won't be our MVP, but will become the most important person on our roster as no one else on our roster can replace his big body, skill-set, and game.

I sincerely doubt that Caedin Hamilton will be the most important person on Marquette's roster this year.

[tower912]

I appreciate this bold thinking.

[Its DJOver]

There certainly is a lot to unpack there. Starting 3 Freshman over Juniors and Seniors is quite the unique perspective.

[tower912]

And done so many places with great success.

[The Lens]

The same people who are telling me DMO could be in the NBA in 2 years or less are telling me Royce's defense is nowhere near ready for the Big East.  And while Hamilton has some big time upside, Gold's institutional knowledge makes him the better pick right now.  You could sell me on Gold at the 4 and Hamilton at the 5.  I know that means Jop as 6th man.  I don't hate that idea.

[Shooter McGavin]

The same people who are telling me DMO could be in the NBA in 2 years or less are telling me Royce's defense is nowhere near ready for the Big East.  And while Hamilton has some big time upside, Gold's institutional knowledge makes him the better pick right now.  You could sell me on Gold at the 4 and Hamilton at the 5.  I know that means Jop as 6th man.  I don't hate that idea.

Lens, you are another poster with eyes and ears in the building.  Glad you are hearing good things about DO as well.  What is your confidence level in what you are hearing?  I know many posters don't put much faith in freshman contributing meaningfully.

On a scale of Froling (zero) to D Wade (10) how confident are you in the impact DO will have this year? Or how confident are you that the information you are hearing is correct?

[The Lens]

Lens, you are another poster with eyes and ears in the building.  Glad you are hearing good things about DO as well.  What is your confidence level in what you are hearing?  I know many posters don't put much faith in freshman contributing meaningfully.

On a scale of Froling (zero) to D Wade (10) how confident are you in the impact DO will have this year? Or how confident are you that the information you are hearing is correct?

I would say 7.5

[Shooter McGavin]

I would say 7.5

Thanks.  Glad to hear it.  This seems like a where there is smoke there is fire situation. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

It's going to be a very long year if Shaka and his staff don't think outside the box. 

This season is penciling out to be 2004 all over again as we went from the Final 4 to even having our NIT bubble burst below us.

In 2004 we had zero post play and limited rebounding and a limited movement offense where everyone stood around waiting for Diener to launch a 3.  Granted this year's team has way more athletic ability than the 2004 roster and can score attacking the basket and in transition too.  Shaka also is way more astute than Tom Crean who often wasn't able to see what was clear to every fan including those with nosebleed seats. 

If 6-9 260lb. Caeden Hamilton is only going to get 10 minutes a game then tell him to transfer now to a program that won't play Ben Gold, a 6-10 uncommitted rebounder with no post moves, ahead of him.

If we want to win now then then a starting lineup and rotation needs to look something like this:
1 - Kam/Tre
2 - Stevie/Kam/Chase/Lowery
3 - Owens/Chase/Lowery
4 - Parham/Gold/Joplin
5 - Hamilton/Gold

Lots of good players above that can play multiple positions.  However, we must, must, must have an inside presence who can score in the post, rebound at a high level and alter shots.  There is a reason why UConn and Purdue played for the national championship game last year is that the game is a lot easier when you have a dominant inside post presence. 

My prediction is Hamilton won't be our MVP, but will become the most important person on our roster as no one else on our roster can replace his big body, skill-set, and game.

I give Parham the start at the 4 because, unless Gold has become a much more consistent outside shooter, Parham is a better outside shooter, more athletic, and is a good shot blocker who gives us overall more than Gold does.  I love David Joplin and his family, however I don't love his game which includes clumsy dribbling, sporadic rebounding, below average defense and streaky shooting. 

I'm also a huge Al Amadou fan!  Love that he works hard everyday and didn't transfer.  He's silly athletic and can develop into an impact player.  However, in hindsight they should have redshirted him last year to save a year of eligibility on the back end.  I would like to see him redshirt this year and then come back next year with 3 years of eligibility and entering his 20's where muscle and starts to stick to your frame.  I could see him developing into a switchable at the 2/3/4 who can become a Dennis Rodman/Scottie Pippen type of defensive menace who also prospers at offensive rebounding, steals and finishing in transition.  He might have the largest upside of any player we have but like guys like Jimmy Butler, he might not reach his peak until his mid 20's.

LOL

[THRILLHO]

I would say 7.5

Out of 7.7?

[Uncle Rico]

It's going to be a very long year if Shaka and his staff don't think outside the box. 

This season is penciling out to be 2004 all over again as we went from the Final 4 to even having our NIT bubble burst below us.

In 2004 we had zero post play and limited rebounding and a limited movement offense where everyone stood around waiting for Diener to launch a 3.  Granted this year's team has way more athletic ability than the 2004 roster and can score attacking the basket and in transition too.  Shaka also is way more astute than Tom Crean who often wasn't able to see what was clear to every fan including those with nosebleed seats. 

If 6-9 260lb. Caeden Hamilton is only going to get 10 minutes a game then tell him to transfer now to a program that won't play Ben Gold, a 6-10 uncommitted rebounder with no post moves, ahead of him.

If we want to win now then then a starting lineup and rotation needs to look something like this:
1 - Kam/Tre
2 - Stevie/Kam/Chase/Lowery
3 - Owens/Chase/Lowery
4 - Parham/Gold/Joplin
5 - Hamilton/Gold

Lots of good players above that can play multiple positions.  However, we must, must, must have an inside presence who can score in the post, rebound at a high level and alter shots.  There is a reason why UConn and Purdue played for the national championship game last year in that the game is a lot easier when you have a dominant inside post presence. 

My prediction is Hamilton won't be our MVP, but will become the most important person on our roster as no one else on our roster can replace his big body, skill-set, and game.

I give Parham the start at the 4 because, unless Gold has become a much more consistent outside shooter, Parham is a better outside shooter, more athletic, and is a good shot blocker who gives us overall more than Gold does.  I love David Joplin and his family, however I don't love his game which includes clumsy dribbling, sporadic rebounding, below average defense and streaky shooting. 

I'm also a huge Al Amadou fan!  Love that he works hard everyday and didn't transfer.  He's silly athletic and can develop into an impact player.  However, in hindsight they should have redshirted him last year to save a year of eligibility on the back end.  I would like to see him redshirt this year and then come back next year with 3 years of eligibility and entering his 20's where muscle starts to stick to your frame.  I could see him developing into a switchable at the 2/3/4 who can become a Dennis Rodman/Scottie Pippen type of defensive menace who also prospers at offensive rebounding, steals and finishing in transition.  He might have the largest upside of any player we have but like guys like Jimmy Butler, he might not reach his peak until his mid 20's.

I'm going to sue scoop for allowing posts this long.  Heard you've done this

[Hards Alumni]

It's going to be a very long year if Shaka and his staff don't think outside the box. 

This season is penciling out to be 2004 all over again as we went from the Final 4 to even having our NIT bubble burst below us.

In 2004 we had zero post play and limited rebounding and a limited movement offense where everyone stood around waiting for Diener to launch a 3.  Granted this year's team has way more athletic ability than the 2004 roster and can score attacking the basket and in transition too.  Shaka also is way more astute than Tom Crean who often wasn't able to see what was clear to every fan including those with nosebleed seats. 

If 6-9 260lb. Caeden Hamilton is only going to get 10 minutes a game then tell him to transfer now to a program that won't play Ben Gold, a 6-10 uncommitted rebounder with no post moves, ahead of him.

If we want to win now then then a starting lineup and rotation needs to look something like this:
1 - Kam/Tre
2 - Stevie/Kam/Chase/Lowery
3 - Owens/Chase/Lowery
4 - Parham/Gold/Joplin
5 - Hamilton/Gold

Lots of good players above that can play multiple positions.  However, we must, must, must have an inside presence who can score in the post, rebound at a high level and alter shots.  There is a reason why UConn and Purdue played for the national championship game last year in that the game is a lot easier when you have a dominant inside post presence. 

My prediction is Hamilton won't be our MVP, but will become the most important person on our roster as no one else on our roster can replace his big body, skill-set, and game.

I give Parham the start at the 4 because, unless Gold has become a much more consistent outside shooter, Parham is a better outside shooter, more athletic, and is a good shot blocker who gives us overall more than Gold does.  I love David Joplin and his family, however I don't love his game which includes clumsy dribbling, sporadic rebounding, below average defense and streaky shooting. 

I'm also a huge Al Amadou fan!  Love that he works hard everyday and didn't transfer.  He's silly athletic and can develop into an impact player.  However, in hindsight they should have redshirted him last year to save a year of eligibility on the back end.  I would like to see him redshirt this year and then come back next year with 3 years of eligibility and entering his 20's where muscle starts to stick to your frame.  I could see him developing into a switchable at the 2/3/4 who can become a Dennis Rodman/Scottie Pippen type of defensive menace who also prospers at offensive rebounding, steals and finishing in transition.  He might have the largest upside of any player we have but like guys like Jimmy Butler, he might not reach his peak until his mid 20's.