Starting line ups/rotations 24-25

[tower912]

Where are you seeing that?  Buddy texted me that sean isn't dressed

Edit: Ben Steele confirms that Sean is not dressed

Gomarquette.com had him listed, along with the caveat that lineups were subject to change.

I would have been stunned if he played.

[Its DJOver]

Interesting re-read. Couple points.

Picking the starting 5 for the year was pretty easy IMO and most nailed it.

If you had predicted that Jop would be 2nd in minutes on page 1, I think you would have been questioned, his improvement on D was not widely predicted, and some were predicting his starting role would be under fire.

All 5 starters over 25 mpg as I predicted, and expect to continue in the coming years.

Think we were to high on DO and to low on RP.  Seems so support my hypothesis that we should expect very little/nothing of Freshman and be pleasantly surprised rather than expect someone (DO) to be high impact (6th man) from day one and be disappointed.

Calling my shot for 25-26.  Starting 5 will be the two returning starters + the only bench players to get 10+ mpg (ZL/RP) + the returning from injury player that got 10+ mpg in 23-24 (SJ).

Kam 30
Stevie 25
Jop 25
Ben 25
Chase 25
Tre 15
Zaide 15
Hamilton 15
Owens 10
Royce 10
Al 5
Sean 0
Clark 0

Not a bad prediction, Tre has not developed at the pace I would have hoped, and I was in the majority that undersold RP, which also affected my CH outlook.

[tower912]

I believe DO's progress was stunted by his groin and foot injuries that caused him to miss two months of preseason.  If he had been able to build on what he showed at the scrimmage, I believe his season would have been different and the predictions closer.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

DO was 3rd in scoring vs Missouri (scrimmage) behind Kam and Stevie. There was so much optimism for his season.

Like Tower said, I think the injuries stunted his growth.  Never seemed to catch up mentally to his assignments.

Excited to see his growth next year.

[Its DJOver]

I believe DO's progress was stunted by his groin and foot injuries that caused him to miss two months of preseason.  If he had been able to build on what he showed at the scrimmage, I believe his season would have been different and the predictions closer.

You very well could be right.  I still stand by my low/no expectations for true Fresh theory, it makes their growth more enjoyable to me (I could probably go find some interesting comments about Freshman Stevie/Jop).  Looking forward to see how the guys coming off RS will look and what the new crop of Freshman has to offer.

[Its DJOver]

DO was 3rd in scoring vs Missouri (scrimmage) behind Kam and Stevie. There was so much optimism for his season.

Like Tower said, I think the injuries stunted his growth.  Never seemed to catch up mentally to his assignments.

Excited to see his growth next year.

There's more than a few reasons not to read too much into a secret scrimmage stat line, but agree that I'm excited to see his development next fall.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

There's more than a few reasons not to read too much into a secret scrimmage stat line, but agree that I'm excited to see his development next fall.

Yep.  Even the coaches don't always know how practice will translate to the games.

For example, Royce earned a bigger role than they initially thought he would fill this year. Others, like Tre, haven't quite filled the roles expected.

[tower912]

I am going to take this on a 'brain worm every action as an equal an opposite reaction' tangent and talk about the OOC scheduling.  Including a different reason to be ticked about the Dayton game. 

11 OOC games.  Some big ones. 7 of the 11 were A-10 or better.  Leaving 4 little sisters of the poor games.  The 7 were all grinders.  MU went 5-2.  But the inexperienced bench did not play extended minutes in those games other than Iowa St when there was no choice, considering 8 scholarship players after Chase rolled his ankle.

  In hindsight, I think a case could be made that MU would have been better served trading the Dayton game for a blowout buy game where the bench had another opportunity for 20 minutes of run without looking over their shoulders.  Could that have altered slightly the trajectory of DO or Hamilton?

Ah, well, pure conjecture over might have beens.  Or perhaps something to look at when scheduling for next season.

[Its DJOver]

I am going to take this on a 'brain worm every action as an equal an opposite reaction' tangent and talk about the OOC scheduling.  Including a different reason to be ticked about the Dayton game. 

11 OOC games.  Some big ones. 7 of the 11 were A-10 or better.  Leaving 4 little sisters of the poor games.  The 7 were all grinders.  MU went 5-2.  But the inexperienced bench did not play extended minutes in those games other than Iowa St when there was no choice, considering 8 scholarship players after Chase rolled his ankle.

  In hindsight, I think a case could be made that MU would have been better served trading the Dayton game for a blowout buy game where the bench had another opportunity for 20 minutes of run without looking over their shoulders.  Could that have altered slightly the trajectory of DO or Hamilton?

Ah, well, pure conjecture over might have beens.  Or perhaps something to look at when scheduling for next season.

I think this train of thought has some merit, and I'll build upon it.

It has been mentioned that a lot of our offense is the players reading what the defense is doing i.l.o set plays.  That can be tremendously effective when you have experienced players that have a lot of games played and games played with their teammates (TKO/Oso PnR comes to mind).  It is more difficult to get Freshman up to speed in that regard.  Having a few set plays where all the Freshman has to learn is "when this pass happens I flash here, when this rotation happens I pop here" would allow them to gain more fluidity within our offensive.  Certainly not every trip down the floor, but a set play designed to get Caedin an easy look or Clark an easy lob could do wonders for their confidence. Feel like Shaka/Nevada can improve in this regard.

[tower912]

I think this train of thought has some merit, and I'll build upon it.

It has been mentioned that a lot of our offense is the players reading what the defense is doing i.l.o set plays.  That can be tremendously effective when you have experienced players that have a lot of games played and games played with their teammates (TKO/Oso PnR comes to mind).  It is more difficult to get Freshman up to speed in that regard.  Having a few set plays where all the Freshman has to learn is "when this pass happens I flash here, when this rotation happens I pop here" would allow them to gain more fluidity within our offensive.  Certainly not every trip down the floor, but a set play designed to get Caedin an easy look or Clark an easy lob could do wonders for their confidence. Feel like Shaka/Nevada can improve in this regard.

In Shaka's 4 seasons, there have been 3 different, what I would call set plays that I could identify.  Justin/Oso standing at the elbow while Greg/Kam run baseline off of a screen.  Justin/Oso threw a baseball pass to the Greg/Kam in the opposite corner for an open 3. 4 times in 3 years that I could specifically identify it.

Sean at the point, Kam running the baseline off of an Oso screen in the wide post catching  the ball above the 3 point foul line extended in motion, his defender trailing.  Kam continued the curl with the ball back into the lane while Oso rolled, putting Oso's defender on an island.  Two times.

The inverted screen and roll where TKo robbed the ball to Oso at the foul line and forced his own defender into Oso's defender, creating a driving lane.   A variation of this is the only one of these run this season.  Kam did it with Stevie's man at Butler.

There is room for plays and sets within this offense.

The timed cuts by weak side players when TKo would run screen and roll were also missing.   Stevie and Chase were the recipient of several of those passes.