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tower912

So, has anything that you have seen or heard this summer changed your opinion?

I still think the starters will be Ben, David, Kam, Chase, Stevie.   I think Shaka stays with experienced starters.   

Trey, Zaide, Damarius, Caedin, Royce, in that order, is my best guess 6-10.   Again, experience first.   

I think there will be lots of experimentation in the OC portion. 

I think Owens has the best chance among the new guys to leapfrog up the chain.   Perhaps not to starter, but to 6th man who can play and guard lots of positions.

I doubt MU will suddenly run clear outs/post ups for Hamilton.  5 out motion.

I fervently hope that MU can get back to full court pressure.  I missed that last season when the injuries kicked in and MU didn't have the numbers to do it regularly.

I do not expect Sean to play.  It is not in his interest to rush back.  The exception being a rash of injuries to others and he is judged to be fully healed.  Heal fully, young man.

I believe MU will continue to be at or near the top of the Big East. Replacing 2 NBA players is always a challenge.  Good programs do it all the time.  I think there are players ready to step in, step up, step forward.    As usual (but not toward the Lions), I am optimistic.
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It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Shooter McGavin

Tower, I think your post sums up my thoughts as well.  Hopefully that doesn't ruin your credibility;)

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Herman Cain

Quote from: tower912 on September 16, 2024, 07:07:09 AM
So, has anything that you have seen or heard this summer changed your opinion?

I still think the starters will be Ben, David, Kam, Chase, Stevie.   I think Shaka stays with experienced starters.   

Trey, Zaide, Damarius, Caedin, Royce, in that order, is my best guess 6-10.   Again, experience first.   

I think there will be lots of experimentation in the OC portion. 

I think Owens has the best chance among the new guys to leapfrog up the chain.   Perhaps not to starter, but to 6th man who can play and guard lots of positions.

I doubt MU will suddenly run clear outs/post ups for Hamilton.  5 out motion.

I fervently hope that MU can get back to full court pressure.  I missed that last season when the injuries kicked in and MU didn't have the numbers to do it regularly.

I do not expect Sean to play.  It is not in his interest to rush back.  The exception being a rash of injuries to others and he is judged to be fully healed.  Heal fully, young man.

I believe MU will continue to be at or near the top of the Big East. Replacing 2 NBA players is always a challenge.  Good programs do it all the time.  I think there are players ready to step in, step up, step forward.    As usual (but not toward the Lions), I am optimistic.
I agree with this analysis
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tower912

#4
Double crap.

OK, let's try this to stir it up.   Barring injuries, Joplin, Gold, Mitchell and Kam will combine for 110 minutes per game.
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bilsu

Gold and Joplin together will make Shaka change his defense. Oso and Prosper together were very quick.
We lost some quickness when Prosper went pro. Now with Oso gone we have lost more quickness.
I think Gold and Joplin will start, but we may see them substituted out to allow more pressing defense.

We R Final Four

If foul trouble finds BG, which it often does, we may see more of Zaide (with a small lineup) or Royce/Caedin to mix it up.

DoctorV

Quote from: tower912 on September 16, 2024, 08:21:21 AM
Double crap.

OK, let's try this to stir it up.   Barring injuries, Joplin, Gold, Mitchell and Kam will combine for 110 minutes per game.

Agree with your main post, seems pretty straight forward this season.

Not as bullish as most on the overall success for a few reasons, but mainly that Marquette will be missing a generational pg that made everything work for the past few years and a 5 that was great in Shaka's system on both ends of the court.
I just think that's harder than expected to replace, and it won't be evident until the ball is tipped.
Excited to see how Shaka handles ball handling duties in the post TyKo era, and to see what happens with all the different types of skillsets at the 5.

That said, can't wait for Shaka to prove to me yet again that he can indeed do it all. I've said before though, this was always supposed to be a bit of a down year, so if it's not then props to coach.

Additionally, I absolutely love Kam and Stewie so it would be amazing to see Kam be an All American do it all PG/SG and to see that backcourt flourish and get accolades, those two deserve it.

As for stirring up the pot-
David Joplin, Ben Gold, and Chase Ross.
We all want them to succeed, but Ben has to hit shots and Chase has to bring to the games more of the things that we hear he does at practice, especially offensively.

IMO Joplin might be the xfactor for the season. If he is what coach said he can be- one of the leading scorers in the BE- then we will be cooking again. If he is what he was in the last game of last season we are probably in trouble. If he's somewhere in between, then he might get passed up somewhere along the way.
No pressure Jop!






Uncle Rico

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Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2024, 09:28:53 AM
This is a 12 win team

As long as four are in the BET, and six are in the NCAA, that's fine with me.
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CountryRoads

That's a good pulse on the team. Experienced squad with the starters all having multiple years played with each other.

Think Sean is eager to play and plays sooner than expected. Though, I wish he redshirted. Easy for me to say.

Little concerned at the PG and C spot. Think both Kam and Gold are a little out of position there.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Its DJOver

We have yet to see an extended run with a 5-out system.  If BG can keep defenses honest and drag their C further out, we all know how crafty Kam is around the rim.
Quote from: nyg on May 13, 2024, 02:07:11 PM
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold.  He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.

brewcity77

Been working on these for every Big East team. Here's my Marquette expectation:

G - Kam Jones
G - Stevie Mitchell
G - Chase Ross
F - David Joplin
F - Ben Gold

B1 - Damarius Owens
B2 - Tre Norman
B3 - Zaide Lowery
B4 - Caedin Hamilton

Owens is my bet for first off the bench. I think Tre & Zaide will be interchangeable based on situation and need. Hamilton will likely only be at the 5, but replace Jop or Ben as both of them can step out to play on the wing (as Ben did last year with Oso).

Parham & Amadou likely only get spot minutes. I just don't think there's a lot of room in the rotation for them. Sean is the wildcard. I doubt we see him this year unless two things happen. First, he recovers faster than I've heard is expected. Second, the rotation above isn't able to man the point effectively or injuries force him back in.

Josh Clark I doubt we see until next year.
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Skatastrophy

Quote from: CountryRoads on September 16, 2024, 09:56:21 AM
That's a good pulse on the team. Experienced squad with the starters all having multiple years played with each other.

Think Sean is eager to play and plays sooner than expected. Though, I wish he redshirted. Easy for me to say.

Little concerned at the PG and C spot. Think both Kam and Gold are a little out of position there.

Kam proving he can play PG will help his NBA prospects.

Herman Cain

Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 16, 2024, 10:38:47 AM
Kam proving he can play PG will help his NBA prospects.
I agree with this analysis
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MU82

I agree with brew and tower, who basically agree with each other.

And I have little reason to believe we won't be pretty darn good this season.
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on September 16, 2024, 11:16:02 AM
Dawson Garcia is still playing in college?

Yep. I mean its not that egregious of a case. His freshman year was the last year of Wojo and were in the fourth year of Shaka so its only his fifth year.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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brewcity77

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 16, 2024, 11:42:16 AM
Yep. I mean its not that egregious of a case. His freshman year was the last year of Wojo and were in the fourth year of Shaka so its only his fifth year.

No, but calling him a "true" senior is, as he is a 5th year player because he was in the class before Kam's.
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Juan Anderson's Mixtape

1)  Kam, Stevie, Chase, Jop, and Ben are starters at the beginning of the year.

2) Damarius Owens is 6th man and challenges for a starting spot by mid year.

3) Tre, Zaide, Caedin, and Royce compete for rotation minutes.  Whoever ends up 9th man get 8-10 mpg.  10th man gets 5-8 mpg.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: brewcity77 on September 16, 2024, 11:51:10 AM
No, but calling him a "true" senior is, as he is a 5th year player because he was in the class before Kam's.

Oh agreed. I think the criteria for the list is questionable. Seems limit the criteria may be best 4th and 5th year seniors
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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StillAWarrior

#23
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 16, 2024, 11:51:10 AM
No, but calling him a "true" senior is, as he is a 5th year player because he was in the class before Kam's.

Yeah, the "true" modifier is typically used for freshmen and is intended to differentiate someone who really is in his first year of college (i.e., a "true freshman") from someone who is using his first year of athletic eligibility even though he's been on campus for more than a year (i.e., redshirts). Given that typical use, it seems odd to describe a fifth-year senior as a "true senior." It's completely opposite of the normal usage.
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MUbiz

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on September 16, 2024, 11:54:56 AM
1)  Kam, Stevie, Chase, Jop, and Ben are starters at the beginning of the year.

2) Damarius Owens is 6th man and challenges for a starting spot by mid year.

3) Tre, Zaide, Caedin, and Royce compete for rotation minutes.  Whoever ends up 9th man get 8-10 mpg.  10th man gets 5-8 mpg.

Do you envision a scenario where Zaide/Tre become 6th man? 

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