Dental Crime Reprts 2.0

[Mutaman]

Fr. Matt Foley (Chris Farley's old MU roommate) takes a group of dentists and dental assistants to the poorest parts of Mexico for a couple of weeks every year. Many of the people they treat have never been to a dentist. One of my best friends goes every year - don't think he's seen a Super Bowl in decades but he wouldn't miss that trip for anything.

Forget about Mexico. Let Matt and his fellow dentists stop opposing Medicare covering dental needs and they will be assisting thousands and thousands of seniors and poor people in the good old USA who can't afford someone to pull a tooth.   

Typical Know Nothing mentality: We oppose programs which will help many poor people. We're in favor of a handful of people providing charity. 

[Mutaman]

3. Federal and state governments typically are the primary funding source for legal aid clinics. For the feds, it's done through the Legal Services Corporation, which spent well over $1 billion on legal aid last year.

Now you did it. Rocket and that other dental genius are already writing to Ron Johnson insisting that he do something to defund Legal Services.

[Mutaman]

   this way, we aren't mandated or restricted to treat as we deem necessary as opposed to what they deem "necessary"

 

I worked for Federally funded Legal Services for over a decade. At no point did anyone ever "mandate or restrict" who I chose to represent. I was given complete authority to determine that my clients were financially eligible.   

[Lennys Tap]

Forget about Mexico. Let Matt and his fellow dentists stop opposing Medicare covering dental needs and they will be assisting thousands and thousands of seniors and poor people in the good old USA who can't afford someone to pull a tooth.   

Typical Know Nothing mentality: We oppose programs which will help many poor people. We're in favor of a handful of people providing charity.

My understanding is that children on Medicaid receive free dental. For adults it's up to the states. I have no idea what Father Matt or the people who volunteer think about that - but I do know that being poor in rural Mexico is light years different from being poor in the USA.

[withoutbias]

My understanding is that children on Medicaid receive free dental. For adults it's up to the states. I have no idea what Father Matt or the people who volunteer think about that - but I do know that being poor in rural Mexico is light years different from being poor in the USA.

Couldn't Fr. Matt save on travel expenses and just give free dental care to all of the illegals in this country that are making it impossible to afford a house here?

[Mutaman]

My understanding is that children on Medicaid receive free dental.

What about the zillions of seniors on medicare? As the article i cited points out, thanks to the dental lobby, nada.

[Mutaman]

all of the illegals in this country that are making it impossible to afford a house here?

fake news- its the fucking dentists who are driving up housing costs. i saw it on tv.

[Lennys Tap]

What about the zillions of seniors on medicare? As the article i cited points out, thanks to the dental lobby, nada.

False equivalency. The vast majority of seniors are not indigent. Those poor kids and their parents in rural Mexico are. You think people who go to dangerous, dirt poor areas outside the US to give free medical or dental help to people are foolish to do so until everyone in the USA has that same free help. I think they're not foolish but praiseworthy but I'm not going to argue with you about it.

[Mutaman]

The vast majority of seniors are not indigent.

Despite Social Security and medicare, (which Lenny and his fellow Know Nothings have been historically opposed to), 58 million people in this country over the age 65, live in poverty. How obtuse  does one have to be to make the above  quoted statement.

Moreover dental expenses do not merely pose a problem for the indigent. Seniors living on a fixed income and even those who supplement their income, have to go without meeting their dental needs because they can't afford it.

Have no idea what motivates Lenny to defend the dental lobby but arguing that there are less poor people in the US than in Mexico is a pretty weird way to go about doing it. 

https://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/how-many-older-adults-live-in-poverty/

[rocket surgeon]

Medicare falls so short of accomplishing anything?

for dental needs

why is it so difficult to have a "civil" debate -you guys seem so angry all the time

we never lobbied against any of this stuff

interesting how we suddenly have plenty of money to fund all these millions illegals when we could be helping our own people

[Pakuni]

for dental needs

why is it so difficult to have a "civil" debate -you guys seem so angry all the time

we never lobbied against any of this stuff

interesting how we suddenly have plenty of money to fund all these millions illegals when we could be helping our own people

1. Migrants, not "illegals." Those in the country illegally aren't eligible for benefits.
2. When in doubt, blame immigrants.

[rocket surgeon]

1. Migrants, not "illegals." Those in the country illegally aren't eligible for benefits.
2. When in doubt, blame immigrants.

  1. yeah right...depends on how you define "benefits"

  2.  ummm, no, but if you cannot admit the illegal immigrants are sucking resources from our legal citizens which includes immigrants who have come here legally, then I can't have a discussion with you

[wadesworld]

  1. yeah right...depends on how you define "benefits"

  2.  ummm, no, but if you cannot admit the illegal immigrants are sucking resources from our legal citizens which includes immigrants who have come here legally, then I can't have a discussion with you

"Why can't we have healthy debates here about Medicaid?! Illegals are stealing all our funds!"

"Illegals aren't eligible for Medicaid."

"They're sucking up other funds!"

lol. Healthy debate indeed.

[Uncle Rico]

1. Migrants, not "illegals." Those in the country illegally aren't eligible for benefits.
2. When in doubt, blame immigrants.

Blaming immigrants, a classic American response for centuries.

Easy to do because so many rubes and racists exist.

[Pakuni]

  1. yeah right...depends on how you define "benefits"

  2.  ummm, no, but if you cannot admit the illegal immigrants are sucking resources from our legal citizens which includes immigrants who have come here legally, then I can't have a discussion with you

1. I define it as the government defines it. How do you define it?

2. Immigrants are a net positive on government revenues and the economy overall.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2024/03/24/research-shows-immigrants-benefit-us-taxpayers/

[rocket surgeon]

1. I define it as the government defines it. How do you define it?

2. Immigrants are a net positive on government revenues and the economy overall.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2024/03/24/research-shows-immigrants-benefit-us-taxpayers/

  1. you initially stated "benefits"  now you want to define "benefits as the government defines it"?

   so are all your definitions filtered thru government definitions?  classic

  I define benefits as a payment or gift and as something that aids or brings about good results

  2.  immigrants may be a net positive, but NOT illegal immigrants.  right now we have who knows how many illegals floating around this country.  realistically, it's over 10 million.  maybe closer to 20 million?  so how do those factor in?   

[Uncle Rico]

  1. you initially stated "benefits"  now you want to define "benefits as the government defines it"?

   so are all your definitions filtered thru government definitions?  classic

  I define benefits as a payment or gift and as something that aids or brings about good results

  2.  immigrants may be a net positive, but NOT illegal immigrants.  right now we have who knows how many illegals floating around this country.  realistically, it's over 10 million.  maybe closer to 20 million?  so how do those factor in?

8.5 out of 10

[Lennys Tap]

Despite Social Security and medicare, (which Lenny and his fellow Know Nothings have been historically opposed to), 58 million people in this country over the age 65, live in poverty. How obtuse  does one have to be to make the above  quoted statement.

Moreover dental expenses do not merely pose a problem for the indigent. Seniors living on a fixed income and even those who supplement their income, have to go without meeting their dental needs because they can't afford it.

Have no idea what motivates Lenny to defend the dental lobby but arguing that there are less poor people in the US than in Mexico is a pretty weird way to go about doing it. 

https://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/how-many-older-adults-live-in-poverty/

Such a sadly dishonest post.

1. Where do I defend the dental lobby? Lobbies (and quasi lobbies such as public unions) exist for the benefit of their members. They protect their least competent. When the general good and their membership's good is in conflict they side with membership -remember the teacher's union's response to Covid?

2. I never said that "there are less poor people in the US than Mexico". I said poverty in the poorest parts of rural Mexico looks different than it does in the US. It does - as in no access whatsoever to dental care of any kind for anyone, including children.

3. You say I'm against Social Security and Medicare. When did I say any such thing? I fully support SS but think it should be means tested. I also favor our  current Medicare system.

I think individuals have an obligation to give their time and efforts to those less fortunate. I admire those who do. You don't and only support government interventions in those areas. You're certainly entitled to your own opinions but you're not entitled to misrepresent mine.

[Uncle Rico]

Let's get this thread back on-topic and that's exposing the criminal element running amok in the dental profession and keeping scoopers safe from them.

https://amp.9news.com.au/article/c17288cb-e5cc-45d2-8a71-57379a839a5e

[Pakuni]

  1. you initially stated "benefits"  now you want to define "benefits as the government defines it"?

   so are all your definitions filtered thru government definitions?  classic

  I define benefits as a payment or gift and as something that aids or brings about good results

OK. Illegal immigrants are not entitled to government payments or gifts.
But now you're mad that they might receive anything that brings about good results? LOL. How Christian of you.

2.  immigrants may be a net positive, but NOT illegal immigrants.  right now we have who knows how many illegals floating around this country.  realistically, it's over 10 million.  maybe closer to 20 million?  so how do those factor in?

Unsurprisingly, you didn't read the link provided.
So, let's try this again.

Undocumented immigrants contribute to payroll taxes, but often do not collect Social Security benefits for many years, if at all—ultimately, contributing more to the system than they receive, Furman explains. Preliminary findings from the National Academy of Sciences suggest that immigrants, including undocumented ones, he says, tend to pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. While state and local impacts might be more mixed, the immigrants' overall federal fiscal contribution is positive.

https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2024/07/harvard-jason-furman-immigration

[The Sultan]

Yeah, that is why a mass deportation, which is not even practical, would be an economic disaster. Removing that many people from the workforce would likely slip the country into a serious recession. It would also be a net negative to our federal budget.

Not to mention the humanitarian nightmare.

[Uncle Rico]

Yeah, that is why a mass deportation, which is not even practical, would be an economic disaster. Removing that many people from the workforce would likely slip the country into a serious recession. It would also be a net negative to our federal budget.

Not to mention the humanitarian nightmare.

We can keep the white ones

[Pakuni]

Yeah, that is why a mass deportation, which is not even practical, would be an economic disaster. Removing that many people from the workforce would likely slip the country into a serious recession. It would also be a net negative to our federal budget.

Not to mention the humanitarian nightmare.

Right. What I cited above doesn't even account for how immigrants (including ones in the country illegally) fuel the economy from a labor perspective. The U.S. economy would grind to a halt if the undocumented vanish.

[The Sultan]

  1. you initially stated "benefits"  now you want to define "benefits as the government defines it"?

   so are all your definitions filtered thru government definitions?  classic

  I define benefits as a payment or gift and as something that aids or brings about good results

  2.  immigrants may be a net positive, but NOT illegal immigrants.  right now we have who knows how many illegals floating around this country.  realistically, it's over 10 million.  maybe closer to 20 million?  so how do those factor in?   

Despite the fact that your #2 is likely wrong, I would point out that you just made an argument for amnesty.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Let's get this thread back on-topic and that's exposing the criminal element running amok in the dental profession and keeping scoopers safe from them.

https://amp.9news.com.au/article/c17288cb-e5cc-45d2-8a71-57379a839a5e

Are they getting confused about whose mouths they can stick their fingers into? I thought they would have taught that in school.