Shooting at the Trump rally 7/13

[The Sultan]

See post immediately above yours and stop being a dolt.

He's being spoon-fed nonsense.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Melania, welcome to the resistance

https://x.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1812515420160623004?t=4SdELPSXA441faAhsondvQ&s=19

I wonder who wrote that for her

[TSmith34, Inc.]

See post immediately above yours and stop being a dolt.

Reality isn't important to those that have retconned J6 into Trump wanting a peaceful protest.

[Pakuni]

A former classmate of the 20-year-old man who tried unsuccessfully to kill former President Donald Trump at a Pennsylvania rally on Saturday recalled him being staunchly to the right of the political spectrum. "He definitely was conservative," Max R. Smith told The Philadelphia Inquirer of Thomas Crooks. "It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-crooks-was-definitely-conservative-classmate-recalls

[Jockey]

You're just being an idiot. It wasn't a violent threat. Multiple people have called you out on this.

You're just wrong.

Did they have tears in their eyes? If you have to invoke trump's manner of speaking, the battle is lost.

Regardless, if he gets in office, we will re-visit our remarks here. If he loses (and fails in his 2nd coup attempt), the point is moot.

He has already said he will be a dictator if elected, so I think the threat is well understood without a specific threat of violence.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

A former classmate of the 20-year-old man who tried unsuccessfully to kill former President Donald Trump at a Pennsylvania rally on Saturday recalled him being staunchly to the right of the political spectrum. "He definitely was conservative," Max R. Smith told The Philadelphia Inquirer of Thomas Crooks. "It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-crooks-was-definitely-conservative-classmate-recalls

Relentlessly bullied, wore hunting clothes, gun nut. He died wearing the T-shirt of a right-wing YouTuber that glorifies guns and explosives. So far, it doesn't appear there was a real political motive beyond killing someone famous, but maybe more facts will come in.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Relentlessly bullied, wore hunting clothes, gun nut. He died wearing the T-shirt of a right-wing YouTuber that glorifies guns and explosives. So far, it doesn't appear there was a real political motive beyond killing someone famous, but maybe more facts will come in.

"Not long before shots rang out, rally goers noticed a man climbing to the top of a roof of a nearby building and warned local law enforcement, according to two law enforcement officials.

One officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder and Crooks quickly took a shot toward former President Donald Trump, and that's when the U.S. Secret Service counter snipers shot him, said the officials who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation."

Well seems like there's starting to be a common issue here, of shooters being heavier armed than law enforcement, as well as law enforcement backing down.

[pbiflyer]

Well  Pennsylvania is an open carry state, so he was legal...until he wasn't.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Well  Pennsylvania is an open carry state, so he was legal...until he wasn't.

Were there pronouns involved

[NCMUFan]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/went-wrong-did-secret-allow-190034007.html

[Small Orange Soda]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/went-wrong-did-secret-allow-190034007.html

The Secret Service absolutely failed here. How this guy was allowed to climb the building that close and essentially turn away a cop before shooting will be investigated, but won't change anything. People don't wanna get shot, even cops, as Uvalde showed us.

[jesmu84]

"We're done talking about the debate. It's time to put Trump in the bullseye,"

But I know, its not as inciteful as saying peaceably and patriotically protest...

Biden is a threat to democracy, a threat to the survival & existence of our country itself.

[jesmu84]

The Secret Service absolutely failed here. How this guy was allowed to climb the building that close and essentially turn away a cop before shooting will be investigated, but won't change anything. People don't wanna get shot, even cops, as Uvalde showed us.

Allegedly, the area of this building is controlled/secured by local law enforcement, not the SS

[Small Orange Soda]

Allegedly, the area of this building is controlled/secured by local law enforcement, not the SS

You're correct; however, are they not at least tasked with overseeing that? I know it's being said that it was local law enforcement who approached him and backed off.

EDIT: if not, they probably should be. It wasn't that far away.

[MU82]

"We're done talking about the debate. It's time to put Trump in the bullseye,"

But I know, its not as inciteful as saying peaceably and patriotically protest...

As the previous vice president tried to elude domestic terrorists  who wanted to hang him, the president he spent 4 years faithfully supporting twitted:

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution."

I know, I know ... That wasn't incitement. The President of the United States was only urging his terrorists to peaceably and patriotically hang his vice president.

[forgetful]

You're correct; however, are they not at least tasked with overseeing that? I know it's being said that it was local law enforcement who approached him and backed off.

EDIT: if not, they probably should be. It wasn't that far away.

They do oversee it, they oversee it by handing that aspect of security to local law enforcement. They handle security for the inner perimeter, and the outer perimeter. The middle perimeter is largely handled by local law enforcement.

The SS, rightfully, trusted local law enforcement to do their job, and when confronting a man armed with a rifle, with an opportunity to possibly shoot at the president, or other attendees, to do more than back away.

If the report on a police officer backing away from the armed assailant is true, it identifies where the security gap was, and it wasn't with the SS.

[wadesworld]

4e, how would you have reacted if Biden had been shot?

I think him posing the question and having that thought is telling you how he would've felt.

[rocket surgeon]

"Not long before shots rang out, rally goers noticed a man climbing to the top of a roof of a nearby building and warned local law enforcement, according to two law enforcement officials.

One officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder and Crooks quickly took a shot toward former President Donald Trump, and that's when the U.S. Secret Service counter snipers shot him, said the officials who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation."

Well seems like there's starting to be a common issue here, of shooters being heavier armed than law enforcement, as well as law enforcement backing down.

  that cop should have radioed to immediately get trump OFF THE STAGE

*According to Butler County Sheriff Michael T. Slupe, the officer was 'gripping the roof's edge' when confronted by Crooks' rifle.

Because of his position, he did not have a gun with him and had to drop back to the ground.


"Dallas Alexander, who spent 14 years in a sniper team for the Canadian military doing close protection for major world leaders including the Canadian prime minister, suggested in a video that the 20-year-old who opened fire at the former president's rally Saturday night may have had help from the inside."

the kid was in plane sight for Christ's sake!!  security detail for this event shouldn't have allowed a 20 year old to have a snipers best set in the house! 

  at minimum there should have been drones doing security if not helicopters. 

[rocket surgeon]

As the previous vice president tried to elude domestic terrorists  who wanted to hang him, the president he spent 4 years faithfully supporting twitted:

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution."

I know, I know ... That wasn't incitement. The President of the United States was only urging his terrorists to peaceably and patriotically hang his vice president.

  while the current VP advocated for bailing out your "mostly peaceful rioters" who then went on to murder other people-i understand you stay focused on your Jan 6 thingy while ignoring the hundreds of days violent protests were allowed to burn down buildings including a police precinct, people's businesses, injure hundreds of police and other innocents...oh, but it wasn't the capital-seriously

[MU82]

  while the current VP advocated for bailing out your "mostly peaceful rioters" who then went on to murder other people-i understand you stay focused on your Jan 6 thingy while ignoring the hundreds of days violent protests were allowed to burn down buildings including a police precinct, people's businesses, injure hundreds of police and other innocents...oh, but it wasn't the capital-seriously

Why do you hate police officers? Why do you lustily support a convicted felon who urged terrorists to hang his own vice president?

[The Sultan]

  that cop should have radioed to immediately get trump OFF THE STAGE

*According to Butler County Sheriff Michael T. Slupe, the officer was 'gripping the roof's edge' when confronted by Crooks' rifle.

Because of his position, he did not have a gun with him and had to drop back to the ground.


"Dallas Alexander, who spent 14 years in a sniper team for the Canadian military doing close protection for major world leaders including the Canadian prime minister, suggested in a video that the 20-year-old who opened fire at the former president's rally Saturday night may have had help from the inside."

the kid was in plane sight for Christ's sake!!  security detail for this event shouldn't have allowed a 20 year old to have a snipers best set in the house! 

  at minimum there should have been drones doing security if not helicopters. 

Before advancing conspiracy theories with absolutely no evidence, why don't we just let the investigation run its course.

[Pakuni]

Before advancing conspiracy theories with absolutely no evidence, why don't we just let the investigation run its course.

Conspiracy theories are easier than facing a truth you'd rather not face.

[The Sultan]

Or it doesn't allow you to build a narrative that advances your pet cause.

Claiming that the shooter must have had "inside help" helps advance the narrative that Trump is being targeted by the "Deep State." (Whatever that is.) Or that the SS is riddled with "DEI," which is hilarious when used in this context.

When it reality it might just come down to the fact that people aren't perfect and can make mistakes. But that's not as fun or sexy.

[Jockey]

As the previous vice president tried to elude domestic terrorists  who wanted to hang him, the president he spent 4 years faithfully supporting twitted:

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution."

I know, I know ... That wasn't incitement. The President of the United States was only urging his terrorists to peaceably and patriotically hang his vice president.

Make sure to say also that it was NOT a threat of violence.

[JWags85]

Or it doesn't allow you to build a narrative that advances your pet cause.

Claiming that the shooter must have had "inside help" helps advance the narrative that Trump is being targeted by the "Deep State." (Whatever that is.) Or that the SS is riddled with "DEI," which is hilarious when used in this context.

When it reality it might just come down to the fact that people aren't perfect and can make mistakes. But that's not as fun or sexy.

I think its cause the two "likely" explanations are both very disconcerting.  One, that it is some sort of inside job (which doesn't necessarily mean Deep State or whatever the hell they want that to be)...or two, a MASSIVE f-up by the Secret Service to let someone have a clear shot that close.

And on the second, people aren't perfect and make mistakes, absolutely, but the whole point of a plan like that is to have double checks and fail-safes to mitigate that imperfection.  That also seems to have failed here, which isn't great.