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Re: NIL Future
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2024, 08:14:37 AM »
Who isn't?   I have long thought that college athletes should get a stipend.   The legendary Jim Chones story comes to mind.   What we have now is the chaos that comes from a new product, a new way to make money, without enough guidelines.

Is it greedy to seek the best employment opportunity to provide for.yourself and your family?
If it is, then 99.9% of us are greedy. Kind of sucks to realize one is committing a deadly sin by taking a better job.

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« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2024, 08:18:23 AM »
Like what?

Like college players  betting a lot more because they have cash.  Or teammates resentful that they don't and betting to make up for it.  The easy access to sports gambling is very, very, bad, Fluffy.  You realize that young kids are being bombarded with Fanduel and these ads constantly while they watch pretty much anything.   This is a societal issue, and those that get directly involved in college sports, that can impact making a quick buck by their actions, will be constantly tempted. 

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« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2024, 08:19:23 AM »
Except there is no real evidence that fans are being driven away from college football or college basketball.

And while I agree that conference realignment is greed, I don't think NIL is. The current NIL environment is all about the NCAA and its member school digging in on amateurism until it lost control of its own destiny. The fact is many college athletes had values greater than their scholarships, and now we are living in an environment where they are allowed to max out those values.

And honestly good for them. There has been a lot of money flowing around intercollegiate athletics for years and it has mostly been used to build fancy new buildings and enrich the coaches and administrators in charge. So I am not going to hand-wring about Jonas Aidoo getting $1.4 million.  I have no idea if its sustainable or not. That's not my problem. It certainly isn't Jonas' problem. Grab that bag! Be smart with it. You will have a jump start on life that 99% of people your age won't have.

So don't blame the players because the adults in charge were unwilling to change. If everyone could go back a decade, the path would be easy. But a lot of people were paid a lot of money to be "in charge" of something. And they ended up REALLY bad at it.

Nailed it.

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« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2024, 08:20:16 AM »
Like college players  betting a lot more because they have cash.  Or teammates resentful that they don't and betting to make up for it.  The easy access to sports gambling is very, very, bad, Fluffy.  You realize that young kids are being bombarded with Fanduel and these ads constantly while they watch pretty much anything.   This is a societal issue, and those that get directly involved in college sports, that can impact making a quick buck by their actions, will be constantly tempted.

You do know salaries across any profession aren’t equal, right?  Good life lesson for these kids.  Work harder and get better.

I doubt kids are gambling.  It’s a sin to gamble
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« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2024, 08:20:51 AM »
Like college players  betting a lot more because they have cash.  Or teammates resentful that they don't and betting to make up for it.  The easy access to sports gambling is very, very, bad, Fluffy.  You realize that young kids are being bombarded with Fanduel and these ads constantly while they watch pretty much anything.   This is a societal issue, and those that get directly involved in college sports, that can impact making a quick buck by their actions, will be constantly tempted.

None of this is new.
And how do professional sports teams survive with players receiving wildly disparate salaries?

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« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2024, 08:21:17 AM »
Like college players  betting a lot more because they have cash.  Or teammates resentful that they don't and betting to make up for it.  The easy access to sports gambling is very, very, bad, Fluffy.  You realize that young kids are being bombarded with Fanduel and these ads constantly while they watch pretty much anything.   This is a societal issue, and those that get directly involved in college sports, that can impact making a quick buck by their actions, will be constantly tempted.

NIL going away changes none of this.  Stop being such a reactionary.

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Re: NIL Future
« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2024, 08:28:05 AM »
Why bother calling it "college athletics"?

At the highest levels that’s been true for years.

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« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2024, 08:40:42 AM »
Like college players  betting a lot more because they have cash.  Or teammates resentful that they don't and betting to make up for it.  The easy access to sports gambling is very, very, bad, Fluffy.  You realize that young kids are being bombarded with Fanduel and these ads constantly while they watch pretty much anything.   This is a societal issue, and those that get directly involved in college sports, that can impact making a quick buck by their actions, will be constantly tempted. 

You said “far worse than the obvious.” These are all pretty obvious.
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« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2024, 10:25:31 AM »
Muggsy, you do realize that there are 4 or 5 on here, two of whom might be one, that will counter, argue and argue some more…on any post? In fact, have some fun. Post something totally made-up. Make it crazy outlandish. Then, sit back and watch these select have at it. They’ll debate themselves. The ‘always right’ crew live on Scoop, my friend.

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« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2024, 10:33:01 AM »
Muggsy, you do realize that there are 4 or 5 on here, two of whom might be one, that will counter, argue and argue some more…on any post? In fact, have some fun. Post something totally made-up. Make it crazy outlandish. Then, sit back and watch these select have at it. They’ll debate themselves. The ‘always right’ crew live on Scoop, my friend.

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« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2024, 10:38:26 AM »
Muggsy, you do realize that there are 4 or 5 on here, two of whom might be one, that will counter, argue and argue some more…on any post? In fact, have some fun. Post something totally made-up. Make it crazy outlandish. Then, sit back and watch these select have at it. They’ll debate themselves. The ‘always right’ crew live on Scoop, my friend.

Nah, some people just live in a world where you can't just make stuff up.  Apologies if you don't want to live in that world.

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Re: NIL Future
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2024, 11:55:18 AM »
Except there is no real evidence that fans are being driven away from college football or college basketball.

And while I agree that conference realignment is greed, I don't think NIL is. The current NIL environment is all about the NCAA and its member school digging in on amateurism until it lost control of its own destiny. The fact is many college athletes had values greater than their scholarships, and now we are living in an environment where they are allowed to max out those values.

And honestly good for them. There has been a lot of money flowing around intercollegiate athletics for years and it has mostly been used to build fancy new buildings and enrich the coaches and administrators in charge. So I am not going to hand-wring about Jonas Aidoo getting $1.4 million.  I have no idea if its sustainable or not. That's not my problem. It certainly isn't Jonas' problem. Grab that bag! Be smart with it. You will have a jump start on life that 99% of people your age won't have.

So don't blame the players because the adults in charge were unwilling to change. If everyone could go back a decade, the path would be easy. But a lot of people were paid a lot of money to be "in charge" of something. And they ended up REALLY bad at it.

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« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2024, 12:15:22 PM »
The winners in an NIL scenario are the top schools.  The SEC commish/Greg Sankey said the quiet part out loud before the tourney.  It's clear they are trying to break things so they can consolidate the money.  I don't know why people blame the players -- at least they are now getting something from this out in the open vs. under the table.

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« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2024, 12:33:02 PM »
Will say this here rather than further corrupting the transfer portal thread.    I get the frustration with NIL and the thought this will drive fans away.  I had that moment with college football over a decade ago with the first big conference reorganization and the demise of that version of the Big East.  The same problem with men's professional golf right now.

Greed is still one of the seven deadlies.   

A long time ago, when you could still occasionally have a rational conversation with Chico, I argued that greed and narcissism were the biggest threats to society.   I haven't seen much to change my mind in the last dozen or so years.

Agree with the overall premise of this. 

I also agree with others that say it’s not the athletes problem. 

I’m still not sure any of this is sustainable with regard to the athletes as there is still no ROI for people funding this except for playing “GM/owner” of something you don’t own and are not the GM of. 

Basically it’s still lighting money on fire.  There can be only one national champion each year and 100s of millions of dollars thrown down the toilet.  When will donors get smart when it simply doesn’t work and they realize throwing more money at the players doesn’t change the fact that they are still only college players who are prone to stumble and bumble their way through seasons.

Owners like Jerry Jones or Jerry Reinsdorf (I just threw up in my mouth ) pay players but also get value in return.  These donors get nothing except pride when the money is reasonable.  They will be getting fleeced as the money becomes more unreasonable.  It just doesn’t seem sustainable unless Saudi oil is backing you.  And they are literally lighting their money on fire with the LIV tour.

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« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2024, 12:38:37 PM »
Agree with the overall premise of this. 

I also agree with others that say it’s not the athletes problem. 

I’m still not sure any of this is sustainable with regard to the athletes as there is still no ROI for people funding this except for playing “GM/owner” of something you don’t own and are not the GM of. 

Basically it’s still lighting money on fire.  There can be only one national champion each year and 100s of millions of dollars thrown down the toilet.  When will donors get smart when it simply doesn’t work and they realize throwing more money at the players doesn’t change the fact that they are still only college players who are prone to stumble and bumble their way through seasons.

Owners like Jerry Jones or Jerry Reinsdorf (I just threw up in my mouth ) pay players but also get value in return.  These donors get nothing except pride when the money is reasonable.  They will be getting fleeced as the money becomes more unreasonable.  It just doesn’t seem sustainable unless Saudi oil is backing you.  And they are literally lighting their money on fire with the LIV tour.


I think the Saudi's should pull a LIV on college basketball.   Start funding a no-status school like Chicago State, pay the top 10 players each year $5M and own the tourney year after year.  Then we might see the top conferences/school sing a different tune about NIL fairness.


 

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« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2024, 12:45:56 PM »

I think the Saudi's should pull a LIV on college basketball.   Start funding a no-status school like Chicago State, pay the top 10 players each year $5M and own the tourney year after year.  Then we might see the top conferences/school sing a different tune about NIL fairness.


That would be funny.  If I’m Chicago State I would try to set up a meeting.  Why not? 

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« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2024, 12:50:31 PM »
Why would the Saudis do this? At least their investments in golf have a potential financial benefit down the line. What is supporting a public university's basketball team going to do for them?
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« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2024, 12:52:37 PM »
Why would the Saudis do this? At least their investments in golf have a potential financial benefit down the line. What is supporting a public university's basketball team going to do for them?

I’ve thought about what universities would attach themselves to the bonesaws.  Pretty sure Texas A&M has some Middle East ties.

Grand Canyon is the obvious choice
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« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2024, 12:58:00 PM »
St. Thomas.
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« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2024, 01:09:35 PM »
Fed Ex has pledged 5 years/$25 million total to Memphis. For football, men's/women's basketball, and women's sports. Times are tough at Fed Ex, as this seems less than what they were giving under the table.

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« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2024, 01:26:18 PM »
Why would the Saudis do this? At least their investments in golf have a potential financial benefit down the line. What is supporting a public university's basketball team going to do for them?

Obviously, it was a joke.  Come on Sultan, it didn’t even warrant a serious reply. 
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« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2024, 01:34:24 PM »
I don't recall I or anyone else here blaming the athlete.  That's not the freaking point.  I'd be pissed if Kam or if any of our players are/were poached but wouldn't be upset with them.  The current NIL system sucking has nothing to do with how much the NCAA has sucked.   

The tournament alone generates how much in revenue? Can they not distribute far more of this cash to the teams /players?  And add cash opportunities with jersey and likeness stuff?  Paying individual players salaries in the 1-5 million dollar range will not benefit the sport imo.  There needs to be incentives for staying at a particular school or some sort of cap.  The only way this is solvable is if some of the great minds here come up with better solutions. 
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« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2024, 01:43:03 PM »
I don't recall I or anyone else here blaming the athlete.  That's not the freaking point.  I'd be pissed if Kam or if any of our players are/were poached but wouldn't be upset with them.  The current NIL system sucking has nothing to do with how much the NCAA has sucked.   

The tournament alone generates how much in revenue? Can they not distribute far more of this cash to the teams /players?  And add cash opportunities with jersey and likeness stuff?  Paying individual players salaries in the 1-5 million dollar range will not benefit the sport imo.  There needs to be incentives for staying at a particular school or some sort of cap.  The only way this is solvable is if some of the great minds here come up with better solutions.

Here?!?  No one here is fixing this problem, lol
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« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2024, 01:43:36 PM »
Here?!?  No one here is fixing this problem, lol
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« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2024, 01:47:08 PM »
I don't recall I or anyone else here blaming the athlete.  That's not the freaking point.  I'd be pissed if Kam or if any of our players are/were poached but wouldn't be upset with them.  The current NIL system sucking has nothing to do with how much the NCAA has sucked.

Of course it does. The whole reason we got here is because the NCAA and its members couldn't see the writing on the wall and deal with this situation on the outset.
 
The tournament alone generates how much in revenue? Can they not distribute far more of this cash to the teams /players?

How? The players are not employees of the schools.

And add cash opportunities with jersey and likeness stuff?   

Already happening.

Paying individual players salaries in the 1-5 million dollar range will not benefit the sport imo.  There needs to be incentives for staying at a particular school or some sort of cap.  The only way this is solvable is if some of the great minds here come up with better solutions.

I'm sure retention of some sort is written into NIL deals. And there legally cannot be a cap.

There have been plenty of suggestion floated.
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