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The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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MU82

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 06, 2024, 06:58:14 PM
WTF are you talking about?

He meant to ask ...

Wont they or will they?

I hope that clears things up for you.
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"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: #UnleashSean on April 06, 2024, 06:29:29 PM
Well?

Is this Muggsy under a different screen name? Sure looks like it.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MuggsyB

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 06, 2024, 07:30:35 PM
Is this Muggsy under a different screen name? Sure looks like it.

No.

jesmu84


wisblue

I think the answer is no, no, and maybe.

Jay Bee

Zero rings, but lotsa banners, Baldy.

Dr. Blackheart

Yes, maybe, likely, maybe, yes

Pakuni


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4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Biggie Clausen

I think it's best for both the players and the program if TK and Oso go pro.  While next year may be a bit of a retooling without them, I believe we've seen the current team's ceiling and am looking forward to the future and watching a new squad.

4everwarriors

Yes ta dippin' inta da portal, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

willie warrior

Quote from: Biggie Clausen on April 07, 2024, 11:13:37 AM
I think it's best for both the players and the program if TK and Oso go pro.  While next year may be a bit of a retooling without them, I believe we've seen the current team's ceiling and am looking forward to the future and watching a new squad.
Will that new aquad you are watching have a higher ceiling than this squad?
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wisblue

Quote from: Biggie Clausen on April 07, 2024, 11:13:37 AM
I think it's best for both the players and the program if TK and Oso go pro.  While next year may be a bit of a retooling without them, I believe we've seen the current team's ceiling and am looking forward to the future and watching a new squad.

Especially with Sean Jones injury situation I think it would be better for the program if Kolek came back.

Probably not better for him unless he really wants to play another year and doesn't care about postponing playing professionally for a year.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: wisblue on April 07, 2024, 02:13:49 PM
Especially with Sean Jones injury situation I think it would be better for the program if Kolek came back.

Probably not better for him unless he really wants to play another year and doesn't care about postponing playing professionally for a year.

He is a professional now and would likely make more money at MU than in any league other than guaranteed NBA first round money (including a two-way). A two-way player makes between $75-$250k.

MU82

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 07, 2024, 03:20:49 PM
He is a professional now and would likely make more money at MU than in any league other than guaranteed NBA first round money (including a two-way). A two-way player makes between $75-$250k.

Most highly competitive and skilled athletes don't think about, "What if I don't make it?" They assume they can compete and they really want the chance to do so.

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

DoctorV

Quote from: Biggie Clausen on April 07, 2024, 11:13:37 AM
I think it's best for both the players and the program if TK and Oso go pro.  While next year may be a bit of a retooling without them, I believe we've seen the current team's ceiling and am looking forward to the future and watching a new squad.

No chance.

It may be considered a pipe dream by most that both come back, and suggesting otherwise might be frowned upon, but it is definitely NOT better for the program if Tyler goes pro.

It's also not DEFINITELY better for TyKo if he goes pro either, as no one really knows what the future holds.

Marquette comes in as a top 5 team and national title contender if TyKo and Kam both return, especially if Shaka dips into the portal for some help.
Marquette is a not likely a top 25 team if Tyler goes, depending on the portal.

What if TyKo comes back, Marquette wins a Natty and he goes on to be a top 25 pick, and then has a serviceable and long NBA career? What if that happens and he wins PoY?
You might think "well that's insane," but it's not that far fetched.
That would mean that coming back would be better for BOTH MU and TyKo.

I get the stuff about the future, but the future is now. One FF or Natty run would transform the program and university more than "moving on and letting the next guys have their chance."
I also get that it's likely a long shot that both return, but there's no reason to shy away from the idea that it's possible as long as we hear that it's definitely not.

Dont get angry if he leaves, since it's his decision and he would be following his dream, but don't discount that maybe his dream includes some of the things mentioned above

tower912

If Tyko and Kam both return, MU has no scholarships.  So, 'dipping in to the transfer portal' requires a player to leave.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2024, 03:46:12 PM
Most highly competitive and skilled athletes don't think about, "What if I don't make it?" They assume they can compete and they really want the chance to do so.

$85k in Rio Grande Valley or $2million in Milwaukee competing for a national championship?  What to do? 

I noticed from the revolving transfer portal that $$$ no matta.

The Sultan

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 07, 2024, 04:05:46 PM
$85k in Rio Grande Valley or $2million in Milwaukee competing for a national championship?  What to do? 

I noticed from the revolving transfer portal that $$$ no matta.

This seems like someone hoping against hope rather dealing with reality.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: DoctorV on April 07, 2024, 03:56:23 PM
No chance.

It may be considered a pipe dream by most that both come back, and suggesting otherwise might be frowned upon, but it is definitely NOT better for the program if Tyler goes pro.

It's also not DEFINITELY better for TyKo if he goes pro either, as no one really knows what the future holds.

Marquette comes in as a top 5 team and national title contender if TyKo and Kam both return, especially if Shaka dips into the portal for some help.
Marquette is a not likely a top 25 team if Tyler goes, depending on the portal.

What if TyKo comes back, Marquette wins a Natty and he goes on to be a top 25 pick, and then has a serviceable and long NBA career? What if that happens and he wins PoY?
You might think "well that's insane," but it's not that far fetched.
That would mean that coming back would be better for BOTH MU and TyKo.

I get the stuff about the future, but the future is now. One FF or Natty run would transform the program and university more than "moving on and letting the next guys have their chance."
I also get that it's likely a long shot that both return, but there's no reason to shy away from the idea that it's possible as long as we hear that it's definitely not.

Dont get angry if he leaves, since it's his decision and he would be following his dream, but don't discount that maybe his dream includes some of the things mentioned above

Shaka has almost certainly told him to go play pro ball.
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Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 07, 2024, 04:05:46 PM
$85k in Rio Grande Valley or $2million in Milwaukee competing for a national championship?  What to do? 

I noticed from the revolving transfer portal that $$$ no matta.

Most second-round picks last year got multiyear, guaranteed contracts.
The highest drafted player who didn't - other than those who chose to go to/stay in Europe - was the 41st overall pick.
So, unless you believe TK won't be among the first 40-45 picks (in this draft?), he's probably going to do quite a bit better than $85K in Rio Grand Valley.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/07/2023-nba-draft-pick-signings.html

Edit: And the longer he stays in college, the further he gets from that second (third?) NBA contract, where the real money lies.

Johnny B

Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2024, 04:00:25 PM
If Tyko and Kam both return, MU has no scholarships.  So, 'dipping in to the transfer portal' requires a player to leave.
When does this stuff typically go public? Why wait? Can't imagine kolek not having his mind made up weeks ago.. kam I guess maybe undecided

CountryRoads

Quote from: Johnny B on April 07, 2024, 04:16:58 PM
When does this stuff typically go public? Why wait? Can't imagine kolek not having his mind made up weeks ago.. kam I guess maybe undecided

I asked that question a few days ago and someone said after the banquet which makes sense. Banquet is this Wednesday. I'm predicting we hear their intentions on Friday of this upcoming week.

Pakuni

Quote from: Johnny B on April 07, 2024, 04:16:58 PM
When does this stuff typically go public? Why wait? Can't imagine kolek not having his mind made up weeks ago.. kam I guess maybe undecided

I'd imagine that everyone who needs to know knows.

The Sultan

Quote from: Johnny B on April 07, 2024, 04:16:58 PM
When does this stuff typically go public? Why wait? Can't imagine kolek not having his mind made up weeks ago.. kam I guess maybe undecided

Last year OMax announced after the banquet. I believe this year it's this upcoming weekend.

Edit: it's Wednesday. My bad.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

lawdog77

Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2024, 04:20:54 PM
I'd imagine that everyone who needs to know knows.
SCOOP NEEDS TO KNOW!!!!!!!

tower912

When scoop needs to know, scoop will be told.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

wadesworld

Celebrating Kolek and Oso on Senior night, posting thank you seniors NIL merch on social media with the shirts being Kolek and Oso tells you everything you need to know.

To answer the question of "What if he comes back and turns himself into a top 25 pick? What's he costing himself?" Probably he first round contract he'll get this year.

CountryRoads

Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2024, 05:20:13 PM
Celebrating Kolek and Oso on Senior night, posting thank you seniors NIL merch on social media with the shirts being Kolek and Oso tells you everything you need to know.

To answer the question of "What if he comes back and turns himself into a top 25 pick? What's he costing himself?" Probably he first round contract he'll get this year.

You are most likely correct, but as a counterpoint Scheireman was honored in 2023 and came back:

https://x.com/hurrdatsports/status/1631142451644710914?s=46

Point is that those kids deserve the recognition for being seniors regardless of if they use their Covid year or not.

Johnny B

As a bias fan I've been trying to come up with any remotely reasonable argument for tyko to return and I just can't.

4everwarriors

Shockin', here's a first. Reako makes sense. Kolek is gowne, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MU82

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 07, 2024, 04:05:46 PM
$85k in Rio Grande Valley or $2million in Milwaukee competing for a national championship?  What to do? 

Again, most ultra-competitive athletes don't think they'll end up in Rio Grande Valley.

Also, this:

Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2024, 04:16:52 PM
Most second-round picks last year got multiyear, guaranteed contracts.
The highest drafted player who didn't - other than those who chose to go to/stay in Europe - was the 41st overall pick.
So, unless you believe TK won't be among the first 40-45 picks (in this draft?), he's probably going to do quite a bit better than $85K in Rio Grand Valley.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/07/2023-nba-draft-pick-signings.html

Edit: And the longer he stays in college, the further he gets from that second (third?) NBA contract, where the real money lies.

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Jay Bee

Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2024, 05:20:13 PM
Celebrating Kolek and Oso on Senior night, posting thank you seniors NIL merch on social media with the shirts being Kolek and Oso tells you everything you need to know.

Disagree
Zero rings, but lotsa banners, Baldy.

willie warrior

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 07, 2024, 05:46:47 PM
Shockin', here's a first. Reako makes sense. Kolek is gowne, aina?
Reeko has never made sense. He just likes to hear himself expound.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: willie warrior on April 08, 2024, 01:59:37 PM
Reeko has never made sense. He just likes to hear himself expound.

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tower912

Ross and Rachel?   Everybody knows that.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

#UnleashSean

Quote from: tower912 on April 13, 2024, 03:50:54 PM
Ross and Rachel?   Everybody knows that.

Turns out, they're on another break.

MU82

"Willn't" would be a much better contraction to stand in for "will not" than "won't" is.

Whoever thought of "won't" was just trying to be difficult, because it doesn't even make sense.

Not to mention "wont," which is a word but certainly was not the word the OP intended to use. Although ... maybe misusing words is the OP's wont.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

mug644

Quote from: MU82 on April 14, 2024, 04:37:18 PM
"Willn't" would be a much better contraction to stand in for "will not" than "won't" is.

Whoever thought of "won't" was just trying to be difficult, because it doesn't even make sense.

Not to mention "wont," which is a word but certainly was not the word the OP intended to use. Although ... maybe misusing words is the OP's wont.

In hopes of derailing yet another thread, I'll say that I'm a big fan of the contraction y'all. While viewed as a term that ignorant, non-American English-speaking folks from the south use, it is an effective plural of the pronoun 'you', filling the gap that we and they leave in our language. I'm sharing this insight as an elitist New Englander, who might typically be wont to denigrate the spoken words of southerners.

lawdog77

One of my grammar school teachers used to always say "Ain't ain't a word and it ain't in the dictionary". Jokes on him, I guess.

#UnleashSean

Quote from: MU82 on April 14, 2024, 04:37:18 PM
"Willn't" would be a much better contraction to stand in for "will not" than "won't" is.

Whoever thought of "won't" was just trying to be difficult, because it doesn't even make sense.

Not to mention "wont," which is a word but certainly was not the word the OP intended to use. Although ... maybe misusing words is the OP's wont.

Lets go down the rabbit whole! ( :P)
https://www.rd.com/article/will-not-contraction/

MU82

Quote from: #UnleashSean on April 15, 2024, 01:26:51 PM
Lets go down the rabbit whole! ( :P)
https://www.rd.com/article/will-not-contraction/

Darn Brits. If only they spoke English.

And one more thing - some pronounce won't as "woont" and others as "wohnt." Neither is my wont, however, as I'm sticking with willn't.
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