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MuggsyB

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What is our all-time 12?
« on: April 03, 2024, 07:48:06 PM »
Here's my 8 off the top of my head in no particular order:

Wade
Kolek
Chones
Lucas
Ellis
Thompson
Crowder
Meminger


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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2024, 07:49:57 PM »
How good was Kojis?
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2024, 08:01:02 PM »
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2024, 07:48:06 PM
Here's my 8 off the top of my head in no particular order:

Wade
Kolek
Chones
Lucas
Ellis
Thompson
Crowder
Meminger

A bit of recency bias, admittedly, but I think you need Jimmy Butler and Markus Howard on this list as well.
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2024, 08:05:35 PM »
Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 03, 2024, 08:01:02 PM
A bit of recency bias, admittedly, but I think you need Jimmy Butler and Markus Howard on this list as well.

I hoping we can agree on 12 but you may be right. 
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2024, 08:07:27 PM »
The two MU players I remember most as a little tyke were Tony Smith and Damon Key.  I'm not sure they're top 12 but I loved those guys. 
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2024, 08:11:04 PM »
The Puerto Rican would like a word with you.
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2024, 08:15:07 PM »
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 03, 2024, 08:11:04 PM
The Puerto Rican would like a word with you.

Oh. . Ooooops.  Definitely missed that one.  Ty.
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2024, 08:16:08 PM »
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2024, 07:48:06 PM
Here's my 8 off the top of my head in no particular order:

Wade
Kolek
Chones
Lucas
Ellis
Thompson
Crowder
Meminger


No Butch Lee?  MU’s only Naismith & AP POY
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2024, 08:17:38 PM »
Quote from: Doo on April 03, 2024, 08:16:08 PM

No Butch Lee?  MU’s only Naismith & AP POY

I whiffed with my 1st 8.  Obviously he's there and in the T12.  My apologies. 
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2024, 08:19:28 PM »
Jimmy was very good, but he was not an all time great college player. He’s a better pro than he was college player. Someone like Lazar was a better player at Marquette than Jimmy was.
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2024, 08:20:40 PM »
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2024, 08:19:28 PM
Jimmy was very good, but he was not an all time great college player. He’s a better pro than he was college player. Someone like Lazar was a better player at Marquette than Jimmy was.

And you're correct with the criteria.  So what is our consensus  T-12?
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2024, 08:22:53 PM »
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2024, 08:20:40 PM
And you're correct with the criteria.  So what is our consensus  T-12?

I never saw the Al era, so I’m not sure I’m the best person to put together a list like that as I’d be missing some of the best players to ever play at MU.
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2024, 08:24:52 PM »
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2024, 08:22:53 PM
I never saw the Al era, so I’m not sure I’m the best person to put together a list like that as I’d be missing some of the best players to ever play at MU.

Nor did I.  I'm just rendering an opinion based on what I've heard and seen on tape fron that era. 
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2024, 08:27:17 PM »
In no particular order:

Wade
Kolek
Lee
Ellis
Lucas
Tatum
Walton
Meminger
Kojis
Thompson
Chones
Rivers
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2024, 08:28:57 PM »
Bo Ellis
Jim chones
Maurice Lucas
George Thompson
Butch lee
Dean Menninger
Markus Howard
Earl Tatum
Jae crowder
Don kojis
Dwayne Wade
Doc rivers


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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2024, 08:35:19 PM »
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2024, 08:07:27 PM
The two MU players I remember most as a little tyke were Tony Smith and Damon Key.  I'm not sure they're top 12 but I loved those guys.

Tony Smith was the one good thing about the Dukiet era having played for all three years.  He had a great senior year with KO as coach.

Damon Key, Jim McIlvaine, Robb Logterman, Roney Eford, and Tony Miller all deserve special mention as they helped revive the program and were a lot of fun to watch.  That win over Kentucky in 1994 was the last win for the name “Warriors”. 
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2024, 08:59:03 PM »
Thought people considered Doc somewhat of a disappointing college player relative to the hype coming in.
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2024, 09:03:46 PM »
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2024, 08:59:03 PM
Thought people considered Doc somewhat of a disappointing college player relative to the hype coming in.

That was my thought, he was fine, but not an all-time great.
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2024, 09:06:54 PM »
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 03, 2024, 09:03:46 PM
That was my thought, he was fine, but not an all-time great.

That was my thought as well. 
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2024, 09:19:55 PM »
Leaving Markus off these lists is such a bad take.
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2024, 09:26:02 PM »
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2024, 07:49:57 PM
How good was Kojis?
Muggsy:
I saw Kojis play many times in the Pros. He was excellent.
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2024, 09:26:30 PM »
Wasn't Derrick Wilson #12?
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2024, 09:29:55 PM »
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2024, 09:19:55 PM
Leaving Markus off these lists is such a bad take.

I'm just asking about a consensus 12.  Some of our more knowledgeable and esteemed Scoopers, that were there and remember the Al years, should be prominent in these discussions. 
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2024, 09:34:59 PM »
How did Kojis average 15+ rebs a game at 6'5?
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Re: What is our all-time 12?
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2024, 09:37:11 PM »
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How did Kojis average 15+ rebs a game at 6'5?
Muggsy:
He had enormous hands and very broad shoulders
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