IDF targets and kills food aid workers

[The Sultan]

The casualty numbers believed are pretty much agreed upon now by the Gaza health ministry and agreed upon publicly by Israeli intelligence. That's not really a talking point to make anymore, as it's pivoted from "untrue" to "sacrifices that are acceptable"

Getting mad about people saying "what Iran wants" and being most concerned with "the optics"/"people won't give Israel credit even if they achieve the impossible" isn't really the point of the thread here. The topic is Israel continuing to target foreign aid workers in a deliberate manner which is way more effective at ruining Israel's PR image than anything Iran is doing right now.

The majority of your post is complaining about the fringe internet. Which you have admitted to falling into the rabbit hole of before. Twitter is not real life. But the people's lives that these "bad optics" represent are real life. Well until they aren't because AI told the drone operator they were part of an acceptable casualty threshold.

Two thirds plus of Americans agree with a permanent ceasefire. 

And here's the thing - I don't think there necessarily *needs* to be a ceasefire. Of course Israel has every right to defend itself and to enter Gaza to do so, but the way it has done it, by seemingly not caring a whole lot about the lives of Gazans and neutrals along the way, is why it is losing this from a PR perspective.

[4everwarriors]

PR no matta. Survival as a country and as a people is what defending Israel is all about. Few seems to understand that, hey?

[The Sultan]

PR no matta. Survival as a country and as a people is what defending Israel is all about. Few seems to understand that, hey?

Then why are they conducting activities that put that more at risk?

[4everwarriors]

Its a war in which Israel was attacked on Oct. 7. By your own admission, you state Israel has the right to defend itself. So, what is it? Either the right to defend itself or the obligation to help Biden get re-elected, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Its a war in which Israel was attacked on Oct. 7. By your own admission, you state Israel has the right to defend itself. So, what is it? Either the right to defend itself or the obligation to help Biden get re-elected, hey?

Quit killing aid workers, hey

[The Sultan]

Its a war in which Israel was attacked on Oct. 7. By your own admission, you state Israel has the right to defend itself. So, what is it? Either the right to defend itself or the obligation to help Biden get re-elected, hey?

You think the right to defend themselves is absolute? So they can kill numerous civilians and relief workers and that's OK? What if they used nuclear weapons? That's OK with you too?

[4everwarriors]

Raping women, killing children, torturing hostages...man, oh man, the hypocrisy here is unbelievable, hey?

[The Sultan]

Raping women, killing children, torturing hostages...man, oh man, the hypocrisy here is unbelievable, hey?

Your inability to answer my questions is noted.

[Uncle Rico]

Raping women, killing children, torturing hostages...man, oh man, the hypocrisy here is unbelievable, hey?

No, it isn't.  It would be if someone said Hamas should be able to rape women and kill children and torture hostages.

Israel has a right to defend itself.  Israel also will be condemned when doing so results in the loss of innocent life of aid workers.

The criticism of Israel is valid.  Their response to what happened on October 6th is valid.  Both things can be true.

[jesmu84]

Raping women, killing children, torturing hostages...man, oh man, the hypocrisy here is unbelievable, hey?

Is there a source for this that hasn't been debunked?

[Pakuni]

Its a war in which Israel was attacked on Oct. 7. By your own admission, you state Israel has the right to defend itself. So, what is it? Either the right to defend itself or the obligation to help Biden get re-elected, hey?

Israel is defending itself against aid workers and children?

[forgetful]

Raping women, killing children, torturing hostages...man, oh man, the hypocrisy here is unbelievable, hey?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says

13,800 children killed

and plenty of torture

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/06/middleeast/doctor-israel-hospital-conditions-intl/index.html


Which side are you describing here?

The thing is, everyone has denounced Hamas for reports of similar actions, but some here say it is perfectly ok for Israel to do the same, you being one of them.

Israeli leadership has mishandled all of this, they are apparently doing everything they can to lose the respect and trust of the rest of the world. The Israeli people deceiver better, and so do the Palestinians.

I'm still just hoping that this doesn't blow up bigger.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

https://x.com/thedailyshow/status/1777668493447406025?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

[Hards Alumni]

Truly unfortunate for many of the well meaning and clean organizations that Hamas has its claws in so many other aid groups/the aid pipeline. 

Does the IDF have an overly itchy trigger finger when it comes to suspected targets?  Yes, absolutely.  Did they attack this convoy solely cause "screw Gazans, we're killing anyone who helps them?"  Dont be naive.

The sad fact of this whole situation is neither side is going to stop.  Hamas isn't going to release the remaining hostages, they aren't going to withdraw from Gaza.  Israel isn't going to stop pushing forward until they have eradicated Hamas.  Unfortunately for Israel, most people who have any remaining interest in the war have chosen to forget that Hamas is still involved and that its an ongoing conflict.  War is horrific.  Even more so when its taking place in and around a civilian population.

This is no more disgusting than any number of events that are going on around the world, it just has more media coverage.

It may not be intentional, but it is absolutely wanton negligence.

[Hards Alumni]

PR no matta. Survival as a country and as a people is what defending Israel is all about. Few seems to understand that, hey?

A rag tag bunch of loser terrorists can't destroy a country.  Israel's survival was never in doubt. 

[4everwarriors]

If Biden and Blinken would shut up and get out of the way, Hamas would have been defeated months ago. However, that doesn't fit da Buffoon's agenda as he panders American Arab votes while his polling numbers are sinkin' faster than the Titanic, hey?

[Pakuni]

If Biden and Blinken would shut up and get out of the way, Hamas would have been defeated months ago. However, that doesn't fit da Buffoon's agenda as he panders American Arab votes while his polling numbers are sinkin' faster than the Titanic, hey?

Brainwashed.

[The Sultan]

Brainwashed.

He's getting more adel minded by the week.

[MU82]

If Biden and Blinken would shut up and get out of the way, Hamas would have been defeated months ago. However, that doesn't fit da Buffoon's agenda as he panders American Arab votes while his polling numbers are sinkin' faster than the Titanic, hey?

There's no way to prove this, but you keep saying it. Not surprisingly given your continued devotion to the king of lies, the antisemite Dementia Don.

[jutaw22mu]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says

13,800 children killed

and plenty of torture

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/06/middleeast/doctor-israel-hospital-conditions-intl/index.html


Which side are you describing here?

The thing is, everyone has denounced Hamas for reports of similar actions, but some here say it is perfectly ok for Israel to do the same, you being one of them.

Israeli leadership has mishandled all of this, they are apparently doing everything they can to lose the respect and trust of the rest of the world. The Israeli people deceiver better, and so do the Palestinians.

I'm still just hoping that this doesn't blow up bigger.

I cannot get past 13,800 kids...horrifying.

[rocket surgeon]

There's no way to prove this, but you keep saying it. Not surprisingly given your continued devotion to the king of lies, the antisemite Dementia Don.

"king of lies"  whoa nelly! you eating the same ice cream as weekend at bernies? 

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

He's getting more adel minded by the week.

The lack of crime reports on campus has him in withdrawal

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

I cannot get past 13,800 kids...horrifying.

"This is fine, in fact this is encouraged and should be done more" - dentists apparently

[Hards Alumni]

If Biden and Blinken would shut up and get out of the way, Hamas would have been defeated months ago. However, that doesn't fit da Buffoon's agenda as he panders American Arab votes while his polling numbers are sinkin' faster than the Titanic, hey?

Quite the opposite, actually.  He's been Israel's biggest ally in congress for decades, and has allowed this mess to continue to the detriment of his polling numbers.  The youth is unhappy with him, as well as Muslim voters (since this is what you probably should have said, not Arab).

[Uncle Rico]

Quite the opposite, actually.  He's been Israel's biggest ally in congress for decades, and has allowed this mess to continue to the detriment of his polling numbers.  The youth is unhappy with him, as well as Muslim voters (since this is what you probably should have said, not Arab).

Not only should Netanyahu be in jail for a variety of crimes, his leadership over the last year has been atrocious as evidenced by his latest failure dealing with Hamas.  Luckily, it appears the Israel population has realized what a disaster he is and he'll hopefully soon be out of office.