Kolek Update

[Shooter McGavin]

No one's arguing that. But,  and i know this is crazy, but you don't actually have to choose. You can do both

100%.  This should always be the thought process.

[BallBoy]

So what you're telling us is that you don't know the difference between aches and pains and bumps and bruises sustained in the normal course of pretty much every athletic contest in which contact is involved ... and an actual injury that was bad enough to cause a player to miss 5 games.

And, Dr. Boy, you have absolutely no idea whatsoever if "5 more days of rest isn’t going to greatly reduce the risk of reinjury." None.

Although I'm not sure how "substantial" the risk is on a scale of 1-10, your overall point is correct IMHO. Unless we dismiss Shaka's statement as a lie at worst or as gamesmanship at best, the decision on when Kolek plays next is all part of a risk/reward calculus.

From the moment Shaka and his players walked out of the arena following the loss to Michigan State, they were laser-focused on winning the 2023-24 national championship. It doesn't mean they don't want to win the BET. Of course they do. But they have spoken pretty often about this season being about something bigger.

Bottom line: I'll be surprised if TK plays tonight, and I wouldn't blame Shaka and the other decision-makers one iota for that risk/reward call.

Looking forward to winning tonight without him, and winning the next 6 games with him!

And you are saying you don’t get that crap can happen at any point to any player. People get hurt and can get hurt on any play so if you are in the hold a healthy player back camp then you should do that with every one of them.

His playing or not has nothing to do with Risk/reward. He hasn’t been medically cleared which means he hasn’t been able to show he can maintain stability or lack of pain statically or throughout his range of motion.

If they have cleared or will clear him to play indicates the injury has healed enough that there is stability and no pain    throughout his range of motion. Also likely presents a “clean MRI”. None of that means he won’t reinjury himself and  in other sports it is common for players to do that in same year or the next year.    If they clear him to play, he can play and 5 days isn’t going to make him any less susceptible to reinjury. The five days may help him get medically cleared but it is statistically irrelevant to reinjury.

Just because that goes over your head doesn’t mean I need to be a Dr.

[rocky_warrior]

Not sure if anyone was watching the CBS break between B99 games, but Dan Gavitt (SVP NCAA hoops) said Marquette and Kansas have kept in communication with the committee and assured them all 3 injured players would be playing next week

If course no insight on a few hours from now.  But  I'd put money on no kolek 

[JakeBarnes]

Not sure if anyone was watching the CBS break between B99 games, but Dan Gavitt (SVP NCAA hoops) said Marquette and Kansas have kept in communication with the committee and assured them all 3 injured players would be playing next week

If course no insight on a few hours from now.  But  I'd put money on no kolek 

Gavitt (mind) Games.

[wisblue]

Not sure if anyone was watching the CBS break between B99 games, but Dan Gavitt (SVP NCAA hoops) said Marquette and Kansas have kept in communication with the committee and assured them all 3 injured players would be playing next week

If course no insight on a few hours from now.  But  I'd put money on no kolek 

Of course they would say that. If it turns out they were being deceptive what are they going to do, revoke their bid?

I assume Kolek will not play tonight.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Not sure if anyone was watching the CBS break between B99 games, but Dan Gavitt (SVP NCAA hoops) said Marquette and Kansas have kept in communication with the committee and assured them all 3 injured players would be playing next week

If course no insight on a few hours from now.  But  I'd put money on no kolek 

If you are going technical he actually said “without restrictions”. So he could have some of those today…

[4everwarriors]

I trust the Marquette dentists, hey?

[#UnleashSean]

I trust the Marquette dentists, hey?

Hard no

[TallTitan34]

Kolek out

[Scoop Snoop]

Kolek out

Thanks for the info. No surprise to me.

[Johnny B]

Kolek out

Are you just sitting there constantly refreshing twitter to be first or what damn

[Uncle Rico]

Kolek out

[MuggsyB]

It's time for Jop to put up a 30 piece with 6 triples. 

[MU82]

And you are saying you don’t get that crap can happen at any point to any player. People get hurt and can get hurt on any play so if you are in the hold a healthy player back camp then you should do that with every one of them.

His playing or not has nothing to do with Risk/reward. He hasn’t been medically cleared which means he hasn’t been able to show he can maintain stability or lack of pain statically or throughout his range of motion.

If they have cleared or will clear him to play indicates the injury has healed enough that there is stability and no pain    throughout his range of motion. Also likely presents a “clean MRI”. None of that means he won’t reinjury himself and  in other sports it is common for players to do that in same year or the next year.    If they clear him to play, he can play and 5 days isn’t going to make him any less susceptible to reinjury. The five days may help him get medically cleared but it is statistically irrelevant to reinjury.

Just because that goes over your head doesn’t mean I need to be a Dr.

If his playing or not has nothing to do with risk/reward, why did Shaka say Kolek would have played this past Thursday if it were the national championship game but that he wouldn't play Thursday because it was "just" a BET game?

The rest of your comment is either silliness - wrap them all in bubble wrap because a guy can get hurt crossing the street! - or speculation regarding stuff you have no clue about.

Kolek out

Common sense, plain and simple. And - admittedly just speculation here - if it were an NCAA tournament game, he'd have given it a go.

Now let's go beat UConn without him!

[Uncle Rico]

If his playing or not has nothing to do with risk/reward, why did Shaka say Kolek would have played this past Thursday if it were the national championship game but that he wouldn't play Thursday because it was "just" a BET game?

The rest of your comment is either silliness - wrap them all in bubble wrap because a guy can get hurt crossing the street! - or speculation regarding stuff you have no clue about.

Common sense, plain and simple. And - admittedly just speculation here - if it were an NCAA tournament game, he'd have given it a go.

Now let's go beat UConn without him!

Kolek is out

[TallTitan34]

https://x.com/road2thegarden/status/1769115487164592301?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw

Stevie hurting.

[DJO's Jaw]

https://x.com/road2thegarden/status/1769115487164592301?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw

Stevie hurting.

Not surprised after the beating he was allowed to take these last two games

[MU82]

The Fox Sports studio crew just said a minute ago that Shaka told them Kolek has been reminding him all day that he's OK and ready to go but that Shaka said he won't play. "He'll be ready next week, though."

If that's true, if we believe Shaka, it would appear that he and the other decision-makers have made the same risk/reward decision that many of us have said we'd make.

[rocky_warrior]

If you are going technical he actually said “without restrictions”. So he could have some of those today…

Technically, Kolek out 

[BallBoy]

If his playing or not has nothing to do with risk/reward, why did Shaka say Kolek would have played this past Thursday if it were the national championship game but that he wouldn't play Thursday because it was "just" a BET game?

The rest of your comment is either silliness - wrap them all in bubble wrap because a guy can get hurt crossing the street! - or speculation regarding stuff you have no clue about.

Common sense, plain and simple. And - admittedly just speculation here - if it were an NCAA tournament game, he'd have given it a go.

Now let's go beat UConn without him!

Coach marketing his guy.  Protecting a seed line by making it appear the guy is day to day and likely to play in the tournament. Lots of reasons can explain why he said it. Tyler couldn’t play because he hasn’t been medically cleared.  That’s the part you keep missing. He isn’t medically cleared to play so it hasn’t nothing to do with risk/reward.  Shaka has said that after each game Tyler wants to play but not medically cleared so obviously he isn’t fully healthy. 

The silliness is your lack of understanding of basic concepts and treating a healthy player different than other healthy players.
 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Are you not understanding that we all would love both, but we're unwilling to possibly sacrifice Kolek for the ncaa to win the BET?

I understand the second part.  I'm not sure about the first part given how many people have described it as meaningless or nothing to gain

[wadesworld]

With Stevie being unable to move his left arm, he shouldn’t be playing either. Bigger fish to fry this month.

Coach marketing his guy.  Protecting a seed line by making it appear the guy is day to day and likely to play in the tournament. Lots of reasons can explain why he said it. Tyler couldn’t play because he hasn’t been medically cleared.  That’s the part you keep missing. He isn’t medically cleared to play so it hasn’t nothing to do with risk/reward.  Shaka has said that after each game Tyler wants to play but not medically cleared so obviously he isn’t fully healthy. 

The silliness is your lack of understanding of basic concepts and treating a healthy player different than other healthy players.
 

Of course you treat a healthy player who is coming off missing 2+ weeks of time due to injury differently than a healthy guy who hasn’t been injured at all this year. There’s a reason there are minutes restrictions on players returning from injury.

[MU82]

Coach marketing his guy.  Protecting a seed line by making it appear the guy is day to day and likely to play in the tournament. Lots of reasons can explain why he said it. Tyler couldn’t play because he hasn’t been medically cleared.  That’s the part you keep missing. He isn’t medically cleared to play so it hasn’t nothing to do with risk/reward.  Shaka has said that after each game Tyler wants to play but not medically cleared so obviously he isn’t fully healthy. 

The silliness is your lack of understanding of basic concepts and treating a healthy player different than other healthy players.

OK, Dr. Boy.

[BallBoy]

With Stevie being unable to move his left arm, he shouldn’t be playing either. Bigger fish to fry this month.

Of course you treat a healthy player who is coming off missing 2+ weeks of time due to injury differently than a healthy guy who hasn’t been injured at all this year. There’s a reason there are minutes restrictions on players returning from injury.

I think we are aligned. If the player is healthy enough to play you play them even if that means minute restrictions. If they aren’t then don’t.

There is a reason Stevie is out there with a bum shoulder and Kolek is not. It isn’t because he thought he could but coach said we need you for the round of 64. We need Stevie, Chase and Kolek just as much to get to sweet 16.

[Jay Bee]

Marquette Wounded Eagles