Starting line up next year without Oso or Tyler

[Lennys Tap]

Don't know whether he will be ready for that role next year, but it was nice to see some glimpses of a more assertive Tre while playing out the clock yesterday. It was good to see there seems to be a lot more there than what he has been able to show as a few minutes a game role player.

I agree he looked good, so yes, encouraging. But it was garbage time.

[Lennys Tap]

No one has blinked when that has been the line up this year.

Given the minutes Kolek and Oso play one doesn't have time to blink when that lineup is on the floor.

[warriorfred]

If you mean first year top 20 in the country. Then sure.

Let me drop the snark and clarify.  After Kevin O'Neill left and his recruits started to graduate, Mike Deanne couldn't recruit at that level.  The team became role players because he was more of a "system" coach.  There were no All American candidates.  Deanne was a pretty good X's and O's Coach, but not a good recruiter.  The drop-off in talent was noticeable.

Shaka is a much better coach and recruiter, and he has, and will get better results than Deane, but that projected lineup is not a top 20 team, and will not win the Big East.  Maybe an 8 or 9 seed?

[Viper]

Why?

there isn't a take-the-team-on my-shoulders all-BE stud in that five. I have no idea if Tre and Zaide make big strides year 1 to year 2, but the incoming freshmen are probably not impact players in their first season. Does Gold suddenly flourish? I see no sign of that. Al Amadou? Who knows. This seasons RS, Hamilton? Again, who knows. Unless Shaka gets a portal guy of significance...and most on Scoop insinuate Shaka won't go portal recruiting, MU probably slides more toward mid-pack imo. And that would be frustrating, especially as UConn maintains and Pitino gets it rolling in NYC as I think he will.

[warriorfred]

there isn't a take-the-team-on my-shoulders all-BE stud in that five. I have no idea if Tre and Zaide make big strides year 1 to year 2, but the incoming freshmen are probably not impact players in their first season. Does Gold suddenly flourish? I see no sign of that. Al Amadou? Who knows. This seasons RS, Hamilton? Again, who knows. Unless Shaka gets a portal guy of significance...and most on Scoop insinuate Shaka won't go portal recruiting, MU probably slides more toward mid-pack imo. And that would be frustrating, especially as UConn maintains and Pitino gets it rolling in NYC as I think he will.

Excellent response.

[Uncle Rico]

To me, this is cinema

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Do people really think next year's team, assuming no impact transfer, would have less talent than Shaka's 1st team at Marquette?

I don't. Remember, our 3rd leading scorer that season was Kam at 7.4.

And did anyone expect Kam, Jop, TKO, and Omax to take the leaps they took the following year?

Of course, it's also fair to say we haven't seen some of the leaps we were expecting from a couple of guys this season.

Kam, Jop and Stevie can still continue to get better and more consistent. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see a big jump from one or more of Chase, Ben and Zaide.

Obviously I could be very wrong but I could see the bones of a top 25 team there.

[MU82]

Do people really think next year's team, assuming no impact transfer, would have less talent than Shaka's 1st team at Marquette?

I don't. Remember, our 3rd leading scorer that season was Kam at 7.4.

And did anyone expect Kam, Jop, TKO, and Omax to take the leaps they took the following year?

Of course, it's also fair to say we haven't seen some of the leaps we were expecting from a couple of guys this season.

Kam, Jop and Stevie can still continue to get better and more consistent. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see a big jump from one or more of Chase, Ben and Zaide.

Obviously I could be very wrong but I could see the bones of a top 25 team there.

Sorry, the Eeyores have spoken. We probably won't even bother fielding a team next season. Why bother when we'd just go 0-31 anyway?

[CountryRoads]

there isn't a take-the-team-on my-shoulders all-BE stud in that five.

It's rare that we'll have that type of player on our team who will also be on the team the following season. We have 2 of them on our team now who are at that level who have eligibility to come back next year. Instead, they will likely be off to the pros as would usually be the case.

And I don't mean to single you out as many people (maybe even including myself) had similar thoughts after year 1, but you said this on 03/19/22:

"Kolek is back-up talent forced to start, imo."

He turned into an all big east stud over the offseason. Maybe someone else can do the same this year.

[The Sultan]

That lineup hasn't played a single possession together this year, per hoop-explorer.

I think that lineup would have to have Kam as the primary ballhandler, not Stevie. Stevie doesn't have the offensive gravity that Kam does and isn't as good a creator for others. Stevie is better when he's able to make cuts, draw defenders, and get catch and shoot opportunities. Ideally, though, I think another PG would help significantly. Especially if Sean isn't ready. That probably has the makings of a fringe tourney team, but not a Big East contender.

Honestly I can't see either Kam OR Stevie as a primary ball handler. But that could simply be because I can't see either one of them playing the same role as Tyler.

[tower912]

There is no doubt that there will be an adjustment and it is unlikely that any guard on the roster or who could theoretically come through the portal will run the pick and roll or rest of the offense as well as TKo.  That whole 'first team All-American' thing.
   Watching SHU v SJU, it is clear to me that Stevie/Kam/Chase would be the best backcourt in this game.

[GoldenEagles03]

That lineup hasn't played a single possession together this year, per hoop-explorer.

I think that lineup would have to have Kam as the primary ballhandler, not Stevie. Stevie doesn't have the offensive gravity that Kam does and isn't as good a creator for others. Stevie is better when he's able to make cuts, draw defenders, and get catch and shoot opportunities. Ideally, though, I think another PG would help significantly. Especially if Sean isn't ready. That probably has the makings of a fringe tourney team, but not a Big East contender.

But who really knows...Creighton, Butler, Seton Hall, St. John's, Villanova lose almost everyone. There is still DePaul and Georgetown.

[BLWarrior91]

Don't know whether he will be ready for that role next year, but it was nice to see some glimpses of a more assertive Tre while playing out the clock yesterday. It was good to see there seems to be a lot more there than what he has been able to show as a few minutes a game role player.


I thought the same thing.  Tre showed some flashes we hadn't yet seen this year.  Hopefully he gets some more run this season while we have a big lead rather than what happened yesterday.

[The Sultan]

There is no doubt that there will be an adjustment and it is unlikely that any guard on the roster or who could theoretically come through the portal will run the pick and roll or rest of the offense as well as TKo.  That whole 'first team All-American' thing.
   Watching SHU v SJU, it is clear to me that Stevie/Kam/Chase would be the best backcourt in this game.

Agree with that.

[Viper]

It's rare that we'll have that type of player on our team who will also be on the team the following season. We have 2 of them on our team now who are at that level who have eligibility to come back next year. Instead, they will likely be off to the pros as would usually be the case.

And I don't mean to single you out as many people (maybe even including myself) had similar thoughts after year 1, but you said this on 03/19/22:

"Kolek is back-up talent forced to start, imo."

He turned into an all big east stud over the offseason. Maybe someone else can do the same this year.

I gotta say, doing 'research' on someone is...creepy. You were compelled to review past posts? ok...at least I post something worth the effort of a re-look.  btw, did you see an all-BE player in TK during his first year here? Of course you didn't. I'll bet no one did. Glad it worked out as it has!!  I'll go out on a limb and wager that we dont have a TK-type transformation with anyone in the 5 players mentioned.

[Viper]

Sorry, the Eeyores have spoken. We probably won't even bother fielding a team next season. Why bother when we'd just go 0-31 anyway?

Tower claims you bring 'logic' to your posts. When will we read it? Cpt Obvious? Of course. Logic? Still waiting.

[Uncle Rico]

I gotta say, doing 'research' on someone is...creepy. You were compelled to review past posts? But, ok...at least I post something worth the effort of a re-look.  btw, did you see an all BE player in TK during his first year here? Of course you didn't. I'll bet no one did. Glad it worked out as it has!!  I'll go out on a limb and wager that we dont have a TK-type transformation with anyone in the 5 players mentioned.

So, you've been wrong about Tyler since the beginning.

And tower and goose we're all over Tyler early in the '21-'22 season.

[Goose]

It is way too early to dismiss any of the young guys. We have not seen nearly enough playing time from the freshmen to make any prediction. In addition, comparing a young Tre vs a 23y TK is not a fair comparison. If I had to make a bet, I would say that both freshmen guards will be legit contributors in the future. How good is difficult to say at this point.

[tower912]

I gotta say, doing 'research' on someone is...creepy. You were compelled to review past posts? ok...at least I post something worth the effort of a re-look.  btw, did you see an all-BE player in TK during his first year here? Of course you didbuyn't. I'll bet no one did. Glad it worked out as it has!!  I'll go out on a limb and wager that we dont have a TK-type transformation with anyone in the 5 players mentioned.

Type in Kolek Brunson in the search box.   I had a thread pop up from 2021 comparing Kolek to other point guards.   2021.   There were plenty of people on the Kolek bandwagon shortly after his first season started.    But that is a search and that is creepy.   

[Goose]

tower

You definitely were on the TK bandwagon very early and were spot on.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Stevie will be fine as primary ball handler.   He has been showing flashes all season. Ross will take on the role of all purpose stopper.

Stevie is probably my favorite current player...and this would be an awful idea. Prepare to lose a lot of games next year if Stewie is the primary PG.

Just can't see it. Kam is clearly a better ball-handler and initiator of the offense, and he shouldn't be the primary PG either.

Neither are suited for the role, IMO, and it takes away from what each is best at.

[Viper]

So, you've been wrong about Tyler since the beginning.

And tower and goose we're all over Tyler early in the '21-'22 season.

you got me Uncle Rico, SJ. Im lost and I don't know ball...but at least I put it out there. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong. Regardless, all good. (And, we'll see about your boy TK)
btw, you deserve a standing O for your good work of cherry picking off other posters. We won't hold our collective breath waiting for anything more. But...maybe I'll be wrong here too.

[tower912]

tower

You definitely were on the TK bandwagon very early and were spot on.

Thanks.  I wasn't alone.   No one can actually project BEPOY or first team All-American.   But it is simply false to say no one thought he would be a good point guard.

[Uncle Rico]

you got me Uncle Rico, SJ. Im lost and I don't know ball...but at least I put it out there. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong. Regardless, all good. (And, we'll see about your boy TK)
btw, you deserve a standing O for your good work of cherry picking off other posters. We won't hold our collective breath waiting for anything more. But...maybe I'll be wrong here too.

My boy TK?  I'd think Marquette fans would call him their boy TK.

[Viper]

It is way too early to dismiss any of the young guys. We have not seen nearly enough playing time from the freshmen to make any prediction. In addition, comparing a young Tre vs a 23y TK is not a fair comparison. If I had to make a bet, I would say that both freshmen guards will be legit contributors in the future. How good is difficult to say at this point.

Goose, I'm ready to dismiss Gold. Too soon?