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pbiflyer

Quote from: wisblue on February 12, 2024, 10:25:33 PM

Kennedy had absolutely nothing to do with the 2 threes SJ made to cut the lead from 10 to 4.

And players are just as likely to get injured in practice as in the last minute of a game that has turned into intentional fouls and quick 3 point shots or uncontested drives to the basket.

Or walking onto a football field.

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It is not the time to leave anything to chance. Crazy things can happen late in the game. MU almost came back to tie up SH earlier this season when they fell behind double digits very late in the game. Now, as a fan I can think, or say, a game is over, but that is my opinion. At this time of the year, you need to close out games and not jag around. So, I agree with you, the game was not a slam dunk win and think they played it out the right way. Plus, some folks won some money by them closing it out.

The Sultan

Quote from: MU82 on February 13, 2024, 07:27:19 AM
Facts = "drama"

Typical sportswriter who doesn't understand what the word "facts" mean.
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MU82

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:46:39 AM
Typical sportswriter who doesn't understand what the word "facts" mean.

Wow, that was really dramatic.
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lawdog77

Quote from: MU82 on February 13, 2024, 08:15:09 AM
Wow, that was really dramatic.
I guess Sultan slept on that hill last night

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:46:39 AM
Typical sportswriter who doesn't understand what the word "facts" mean.

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Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

wisblue

Quote from: BallBoy on February 13, 2024, 07:27:31 AM
Mistake 1: he should have been up next to his man so he could step out and apply some pressure on the ball. Had he been OMax would have recovered. He was 20 ft away.

Mistake 2: he is in no man's land and doesn't commit to stopping the ball. Instead gives up more ground letting the ball hander get into the heart of the defense.  I believe it was Addae-Wusu who goes from basically the half court stripe to the free throw line without anyone making him change direction. At that point defense is exposed.  Who should picked him up? if he picked him up at the three point line A-W would have had to run some offense or taken a contested three.

Mistake 3: since he back pedaled so much and applied no defensive pressure very little time came off the clock before their first score. 

You said he wasn't involved with the first two threes. Those three things lead to the first three without them actually having to play half court offense. You can say Mitchell was to blame but if you notice Kolek also comes to the ball leaving his man too.

You can hear it in the crowd, no big deal just one three so get the ball to Kennedy to shoot.  He was going the court to get to a spot.

Mistake 4: the job of the team with the lead is take as much time off of the clock as possible. When Mitchell is in the corner the ball should have gone to Kennedy who could have taken the ball to at least half court. The problem is he is moving away from the ball which makes for a very dangerous pass.

Those are all facts that are factually correct.

Here is another fact in no other game then Sr Day with 36.6 seconds is he in the game up 10 and his presence impacted the game. maybe it just pissed SJ's off enough to care but his lack of defense caused the first three directly.

Suffice it to say that I disagree with your opinion that Kennedy made any mistakes on defense on that first 3.

Anyone who cares can look at the video and see for themselves that he backed off to avoid a foul and kept his hands up.

Mitchell's unnecessary "help" led to the wide open 3. Kolek moved in but his man was in the opposite corner and no threat to receive a pass given where the ball was.

It is true that Kennedy was only in the game because of senior day, but that doesn't change the fact that crazy things can happen in the last 30 seconds, much less the last full minute. His role in what happened was nowhere as dramatic as you're making it out to be, if it had any effect at all.


BallBoy

Quote from: wisblue on February 13, 2024, 08:42:57 AM
Suffice it to say that I disagree with your opinion that Kennedy made any mistakes on defense on that first 3.

Anyone who cares can look at the video and see for themselves that he backed off to avoid a foul and kept his hands up.

Mitchell's unnecessary "help" led to the wide open 3. Kolek moved in but his man was in the opposite corner and no threat to receive a pass given where the ball was.

It is true that Kennedy was only in the game because of senior day, but that doesn't change the fact that crazy things can happen in the last 30 seconds, much less the last full minute. His role in what happened was nowhere as dramatic as you're making it out to be, if it had any effect at all.

We can agree to disagree.

Yes crazy things can happen.  We can all agree to that but it is also very common for teams to shut it down during the regular season when it is out of reach.  This is the only example provided where crazy things happened when it wasn't the tournament but when you break it down it wasn't a normal regular season game. 

wisblue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbFMD8AkkWg

Here's a regular season game I remember watching last year.

Iowa trailed MSU by 13 with 1:30 left and still trailed by 10 with 40 seconds left. But they kept pressing and fouling and draining 3's, forced the game into OT, and went on to win. And, for the most part, MSU was making its free throws until one that could have given them a 4 point lead with 10 seconds left.

I'm glad that Pitino opted to give up and remove the possibility of this kind of finish. It saved us some time and possible aggravation.

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: wisblue on February 13, 2024, 12:12:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbFMD8AkkWg

Here's a regular season game I remember watching last year.

Iowa trailed MSU by 13 with 1:30 left and still trailed by 10 with 40 seconds left. But they kept pressing and fouling and draining 3's, forced the game into OT, and went on to win. And, for the most part, MSU was making its free throws until one that could have given them a 4 point lead with 10 seconds left.

I'm glad that Pitino opted to give up and remove the possibility of this kind of finish. It saved us some time and possible aggravation.

I remember that one. Was at the bar for brunch watching it before MU played later

Wild ending.
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BallBoy

Quote from: wisblue on February 13, 2024, 12:12:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbFMD8AkkWg

Here's a regular season game I remember watching last year.

Iowa trailed MSU by 13 with 1:30 left and still trailed by 10 with 40 seconds left. But they kept pressing and fouling and draining 3's, forced the game into OT, and went on to win. And, for the most part, MSU was making its free throws until one that could have given them a 4 point lead with 10 seconds left.

I'm glad that Pitino opted to give up and remove the possibility of this kind of finish. It saved us some time and possible aggravation.

The game right before that one was Iowa down 13 against Wisconsin on the road with 2 minutes left.  Didn't foul a single time.  Why didn't they do the same thing?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay/_/gameId/401484967

MU82

Quote from: wisblue on February 13, 2024, 12:12:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbFMD8AkkWg
I'm glad that Pitino opted to give up and remove the possibility of this kind of finish. It saved us some time and possible aggravation.

Yep. I was stunned that he gave up, but I was happy he did.
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StillAWarrior

Quote from: MU82 on February 13, 2024, 02:39:33 PM
Yep. I was stunned that he gave up, but I was happy he did.

I realize it's a different league and different rules, but the Cavaliers were down 10 last night with 1:15 left. They cut it to one with about nine seconds left, fouled, and then got the ball back down two with six seconds left. Had a good shot in the air to win it at the buzzer. Admittedly, they did lose.

I'm not trying to convince anyone -- everyone's respective positions are well established -- but I also was surprised that Pitino conceded with a minute left. 
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Hards Alumni

Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 13, 2024, 03:00:21 PM
I realize it's a different league and different rules, but the Cavaliers were down 10 last night with 1:15 left. They cut it to one with about nine seconds left, fouled, and then got the ball back down two with six seconds left. Had a good shot in the air to win it at the buzzer. Admittedly, they did lose.

I'm not trying to convince anyone -- everyone's respective positions are well established -- but I also was surprised that Pitino conceded with a minute left.

Same.  When they let MU run the clock with a minute to go it felt like he was just throwing in the towel.

Sure, the came may have been over, but I'm not sure he was sending the right message to his team.

wisblue

Quote from: BallBoy on February 13, 2024, 02:33:19 PM
The game right before that one was Iowa down 13 against Wisconsin on the road with 2 minutes left.  Didn't foul a single time.  Why didn't they do the same thing?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay/_/gameId/401484967

Not sure how relevant this is to the point that crazy things can happen late in a game.

I wouldn't expect a team to start fouling with 2 minutes left and, looking at that PBP, by the time it got to a minute left, they were down by 15. Then they hit a 3 to cut it to 12 and got the ball back on a turnover but missed their next shot.

Apparently down 12 with 39 seconds left when the Badgers got the rebound, McCaffrey decided it wasn't their night.

Down 12 with 40 seconds left is a lot different than down 8 with a minute left. And when you've scored 52 points for the night and shot 3 for 28 from three, it seems like a good time to throw in the towel.

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