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Author Topic: Chicago Murders +  (Read 2817 times)

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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2024, 01:43:48 PM »
Except baby teeth.   And the ones they pull to make room for other teeth.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2024, 01:44:20 PM »
All teeth matter

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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2024, 01:56:16 PM »
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2024, 02:10:55 PM »
You posted this 49 minutes after 4ever answered a question about how to buy parking with a post about 700 break-ins in the Fiserv parking structure.

The call is coming from inside the house.

   ?-( i have no idea what you are talking about lens.  what post are you referring to?  parking?  break-ins? is that in a different topic?  i honestly have no idea what you are referencing

 
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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2024, 02:18:07 PM »
I hope MU played well last night. I was afraid to watch as I didn't want the violence to seep through the TV.

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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2024, 04:52:46 PM »
Even DePaul acknowledges this issue:

Have some patience, FFS.

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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2024, 05:01:18 PM »
I hope MU played well last night. I was afraid to watch as I didn't want the violence to seep through the TV.

Well MU plays with violence so you're never really safe.

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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2024, 05:45:06 PM »
Well MU plays with violence so you're never really safe.

Initial Incident Report

Incident type: Shots disrupted
Incident location: 200 E Cermak Rd
Approximate time: 8:41 p.m.
Victims: None
Physical injuries: None

MUBB responded to a report of shots taken near 200 E Cermak Rd. Evidence of a shot(s) taken were of three foul shots awarded to the shooter 50 feet from the basket. Alleged suspect is David Joplin.

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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2024, 05:55:52 PM »
Initial Incident Report

Incident type: Shots disrupted
Incident location: 200 E Cermak Rd
Approximate time: 8:41 p.m.
Victims: None
Physical injuries: Brain Cramp

MUBB responded to a report of shots taken near 200 E Cermak Rd. Evidence of a shot(s) taken were of three foul shots awarded to the shooter 50 feet from the basket. Alleged suspect is David Joplin.
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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2024, 08:41:52 AM »
I know there is a certain humorous element to this thread but I'm continually amazed at the number of Scoopers, as well as non-Scoopers, who fixate on urban crime. Somehow, I think a good number of us think that if we head to Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, NYC, etc., for a ballgame, dinner and perhaps some other entertainment, we're going to be mugged, robbed, raped and killed.

While it would be ridiculous to think this isn't happening to a degree in our major cities, it isn't a guarantee. There's misfits in every group and wherever you go, there's going to be people who do things that are unkind and an affront to society.

For many of you, I'm guessing you watch too much TV news or read too much conservative press. In Chicago, for example, what I sarcastically call the "Lovely Allison News," (Channel 5, NBC), there isn't a night that goes by where at least half, if not all but one or maybe two stories, is public safety related. Shootings, robberies, accidents or fires. I swear Natalie Martinez, their "ace" street reporter, spends her life up to her ankles in victim's blood. After awhile, that creates an impression on people, and a negative one at that. I don't think most cities' news teams are that much different.

Years ago, when I was working as a reporter, we had a competitor whose "ace" reporter new how to spin a crime story better than any three people I ever met. Those stories were dramatic and sold newspapers. They were well-written and had great art, which is why they ended up on Page 1. Most appealed to people's lesser instincts.

The late Lucas G. Staudacher, who was a professor of Journalism years ago at MU, taught a course called J-100, which was focused on news judgment. Professor Staudacher would ask the question, "What is News?" Sadly, the answer today is whatever gets "clicks", "viewers" or sells ads! What Professor Staudacher was trying to teach was perspective and while a news issue was important, what you put on Page 1, on the first click or as the lead on TV news affects people's actions and views.

My wife and I lived in the Chicago area for 44 years. After moving to Florida, we came back last summer and, for the first time, lived in the city. It was an incredible experience that was crime free, except for a bicycle theft that was my own fault for not being smarter about what I did to protect it.

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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2024, 08:46:45 AM »
I know there is a certain humorous element to this thread but I'm continually amazed at the number of Scoopers, as well as non-Scoopers, who fixate on urban crime. Somehow, I think a good number of us think that if we head to Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, NYC, etc., for a ballgame, dinner and perhaps some other entertainment, we're going to be mugged, robbed, raped and killed.

While it would be ridiculous to think this isn't happening to a degree in our major cities, it isn't a guarantee. There's misfits in every group and wherever you go, there's going to be people who do things that are unkind and an affront to society.

For many of you, I'm guessing you watch too much TV news or read too much conservative press. In Chicago, for example, what I sarcastically call the "Lovely Allison News," (Channel 5, NBC), there isn't a night that goes by where at least half, if not all but one or maybe two stories, is public safety related. Shootings, robberies, accidents or fires. I swear Natalie Martinez, their "ace" street reporter, spends her life up to her ankles in victim's blood. After awhile, that creates an impression on people, and a negative one at that. I don't think most cities' news teams are that much different.

Years ago, when I was working as a reporter, we had a competitor whose "ace" reporter new how to spin a crime story better than any three people I ever met. Those stories were dramatic and sold newspapers. They were well-written and had great art, which is why they ended up on Page 1. Most appealed to people's lesser instincts.

The late Lucas G. Staudacher, who was a professor of Journalism years ago at MU, taught a course called J-100, which was focused on news judgment. Professor Staudacher would ask the question, "What is News?" Sadly, the answer today is whatever gets "clicks", "viewers" or sells ads! What Professor Staudacher was trying to teach was perspective and while a news issue was important, what you put on Page 1, on the first click or as the lead on TV news affects people's actions and views.

My wife and I lived in the Chicago area for 44 years. After moving to Florida, we came back last summer and, for the first time, lived in the city. It was an incredible experience that was crime free, except for a bicycle theft that was my own fault for not being smarter about what I did to protect it.

There's not much I agree with you on and didn't expect agreement on a topic like this but I applaud this post.
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2024, 08:52:18 AM »
There's not much I agree with you on and didn't expect agreement on a topic like this but I applaud this post.

Cities can be intimidating if you aren't used to them.  So I get being uncomfortable if you have only lived in a rural area or the suburbs.  Additionally there is a problem with how issues in cities are being reported. 

What I don't get is how many people think that watching the news makes them an expert and especially since all alums on this board have been exposed to urban living during college and should understand this dynamic.  Frankly its odd.

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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2024, 09:20:11 AM »
This should not be an issue for any of us that lived near campus at MU.
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2024, 09:22:53 AM »
    i loved living in milwaukee and actually missed the sound of sirens and the smell of diesel from passing buses right outside my window on 11th and wells.   after graduating and moving out to waukesha, laying down to bed and hearing...nothing was weird.  i loved being able to jump on a bus or walk to MU, bucks, brewers games.  hitting the east side bars and eateries, etc etc

crime and violence-  i get it.  it's no big deal, no news is good news, happens all over, but less than what's really reported 

                           until it happens to you or someone you know. 
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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2024, 09:29:26 AM »
Right, horrible when it happens to you or someone you care about.
Maybe just lucky during my years at MU.

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« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2024, 09:34:31 AM »
Cities can be intimidating if you aren't used to them.  So I get being uncomfortable if you have only lived in a rural area or the suburbs.  Additionally there is a problem with how issues in cities are being reported. 

What I don't get is how many people think that watching the news makes them an expert and especially since all alums on this board have been exposed to urban living during college and should understand this dynamic.  Frankly its odd.

My theory:

Rural- it's a desire to justify your lifestyle choice and easy to "other" people living differently.

Suburban- because many work downtown and their home values are dependent on the economics of the region so they feel entitled to have an opinion on every aspect of the city but without exploring 99% of the city, but when all they do is read news headlines, work in the loop (for Chicago) & see a once in a blue moon sport/play/concert, that'll skew opinions making people see parking scams, beggars, the aggressive CD guys, making people think everything's crazy expensive, etc.  then there's also a similar attitude of "othering" urban areas. My in laws crap on the "urban suburb" where my wife and I live all the time and says we're looking for problems because the only non city areas we considered living were Oak Park, Evanston, & Forest Park. They're basically foaming at the mouth waiting for a break in or worse to happen and text us every crime alert they get.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2024, 09:46:38 AM by Galway Eagle »
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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2024, 10:45:11 AM »
Isn't all just politics?
Hyperpoltical tend to view everything through the lens of politics. So, despite heaps of research and data showing that crime is a socioeconomic issue, those of a certain political persuasion want to believe it's the fault of the politicians (usually Democrats) who run cities .. never mind the fact that crime also is a problem in Republican-led cities and states. For these people, portraying crime as rampant and cities as war zones is simply a way to confirm their own biases.

The flip side are those who blame criminal behavior on external factors caused by others (i.e. racism, lack of government investment), which ignores the cultural and familial issues that can lead to crime

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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2024, 10:59:50 AM »
Maybe my view is simplistic, but inability to make a decent living from working seems to lead to crime.
Why an inability to make a decent living?
Lack of decent paying jobs.  Whether it is working in a factory, call center, restaurant or skilled vocation.
So Democrats and Republicans both guilty? Absolutely.
MBA grads. Absolutely.  Bottom line is the dollar.
Companies fleeing the USA for cheaper labor and manufacturing costs.
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« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2024, 11:11:41 AM »
They're basically foaming at the mouth waiting for a break in or worse to happen and text us every crime alert they get.

So what you're saying is that 4Qver and his wife are your in-laws, oona?
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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2024, 11:20:21 AM »
Isn't all just politics?

I don't think so. I think some people just have a distaste for cities. My dad just thought they were too busy and too crowded. So as a child I never made it to downtown Milwaukee or Chicago. His brother lived in the New York burbs and we would visit annually. Flew into LaGuardia and drove out to his house. Never visited NYC. He would much rather sit on a lake somewhere or take a walk in the woods.

And he was as Democratic as a Democrat could get...a borderline old school Milwaukee socialist.
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« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2024, 11:45:41 AM »
I don't think so. I think some people just have a distaste for cities. My dad just thought they were too busy and too crowded. So as a child I never made it to downtown Milwaukee or Chicago. His brother lived in the New York burbs and we would visit annually. Flew into LaGuardia and drove out to his house. Never visited NYC. He would much rather sit on a lake somewhere or take a walk in the woods.

And he was as Democratic as a Democrat could get...a borderline old school Milwaukee socialist.

I don't think we're really talking about personal preferences about where one spends leisure time I wasn't, at least.

People who prefer a week of camping in the mountains to a week of lying on a tropical beach typically don't say it's because of all the shark attacks and tsunamis. And beach fans don't say they avoid the mountains because of all the grizzlies and Yeti.

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« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2024, 11:57:44 AM »
I don't think we're really talking about personal preferences about where one spends leisure time I wasn't, at least.

People who prefer a week of camping in the mountains to a week of lying on a tropical beach typically don't say it's because of all the shark attacks and tsunamis. And beach fans don't say they avoid the mountains because of all the grizzlies and Yeti.


My point is my dad didn't like cities. And it wasn't for political reasons. Which is exactly what Frenns was suggesting. So no, it isn't "all just politics."
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« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2024, 12:13:35 PM »

My point is my dad didn't like cities. And it wasn't for political reasons. Which is exactly what Frenns was suggesting. So no, it isn't "all just politics."

He said they could be intimidating, that's a bit different than dislike. Plenty of people choose to stay in Milwaukee because a city the size of Chicago can be intimidating, but that doesn't mean they hate cities. Similarly, people may choose to stay in a small city (like when you argued Green Bay and Dayton being urban a few days ago) because a mid sized city might be intimidating, again not necessarily a disdain for cities.

In Frenns second paragraph he argues about the so called "experts" that never go in but read articles and thus feel they know that the areas a crime ridden hellscape of socialist indoctrination where people are packed like sardines. Now that segment of city haters, is the segment that I think Pakuni was referencing as "it all comes down to politics"

Essentially, your dad wasn't a city fan why that may be is up to him. Of not city fans Frenns references two segments those intimidated (May or may not fit your dad) and those who feel they're experts. Of the later Pak says they're politically motivated against cities.
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« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2024, 12:20:52 PM »

My point is my dad didn't like cities. And it wasn't for political reasons. Which is exactly what Frenns was suggesting. So no, it isn't "all just politics."

Galway already noted it, but there's a difference between "I prefer a day at the lake to a night on the town" and "cities are scary."
We're talking about the latter, not the former. Sounds like your dad was the former.
And people who promote the idea that cities are scary typically do it for political reasons.

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« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2024, 12:25:24 PM »
He said they could be intimidating, that's a bit different than dislike. Plenty of people choose to stay in Milwaukee because a city the size of Chicago can be intimidating, but that doesn't mean they hate cities. Similarly, people may choose to stay in a small city (like when you argued Green Bay and Dayton being urban a few days ago) because a mid sized city might be intimidating, again not necessarily a disdain for cities.


Green Bay and Dayton are urban. By definition.

And neither are "small." They are among 2% of the largest cities in the country. And even if you went by Metropolitan areas, both are in the top half - Dayton is even in the top quartile.
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