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PGsHeroes32

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 16, 2024, 08:33:04 AM
Good for him. Seems like a guy with a good head on his shoulders. Hope he manages it wisely.

Outside of basketball, I clearly no nothing about the guy

But if you watch him play for even 3 minutes, good head on his shoulders would not be the take away
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

Shooter McGavin

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 16, 2024, 02:01:25 PM
Outside of basketball, I clearly no nothing about the guy

But if you watch him play for even 3 minutes, good head on his shoulders would not be the take away


Yep.  Someone lit their money on fire.

The Sultan

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 16, 2024, 02:01:25 PM
Outside of basketball, I clearly no nothing about the guy

But if you watch him play for even 3 minutes, good head on his shoulders would not be the take away

I clearly mean off the court. And he's not terrible on the court either.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 16, 2024, 08:33:04 AM
Good for him. Seems like a guy with a good head on his shoulders. Hope he manages it wisely.

Friend of mine is a big Illini fan with a special needs child. They met Hawkins a couple of years ago after a game and have continued to stay in touch since. Hawkins has gone out of his way to be kind to his son for no reason other than he can.
He's genuinely happy to see Hawkins get paid, even if it means leaving Illinois.

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on June 17, 2024, 05:27:42 PM
Friend of mine is a big Illini fan with a special needs child. They met Hawkins a couple of years ago after a game and have continued to stay in touch since. Hawkins has gone out of his way to be kind to his son for no reason other than he can.
He's genuinely happy to see Hawkins get paid, even if it means leaving Illinois.

Thanks for sharing that, Pak. I love hearing great stories like these.

I wish that all athletes knew how profound an effect they can have on people.
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rocket surgeon

regarding k-state and Hawkins $2 mil...holy schnikees!!  how much can these dudes make per year in NIL money from the school??  I understand they can do all the Snickers bars and hair lube commercials they want but school NIL?? 
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

wadesworld

Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 07, 2024, 07:04:02 AM
regarding k-state and Hawkins $2 mil...holy schnikees!!  how much can these dudes make per year in NIL money from the school??  I understand they can do all the Snickers bars and hair lube commercials they want but school NIL??

$0.00.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 07, 2024, 07:04:02 AM
regarding k-state and Hawkins $2 mil...holy schnikees!!  how much can these dudes make per year in NIL money from the school??  I understand they can do all the Snickers bars and hair lube commercials they want but school NIL??

The "school NIL" can only advise, educate, and now help set up players with deals. They cannot pay players. The $2 million number is a combination of deals the kid gets from multiple businesses, which the collective and the kid's agent set up.

K State has a ton of big Ag money funding their collective.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

lawdog77

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 07, 2024, 04:45:48 PM
The "school NIL" can only advise, educate, and now help set up players with deals. They cannot pay players. The $2 million number is a combination of deals the kid gets from multiple businesses, which the collective and the kid's agent set up.

K State has a ton of big Ag money funding their collective.
I thought I read that from the recent class action, part of the agreement the Power 5 agreed to was to allow the schools to pay players directly.

Jay Bee

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 07, 2024, 05:49:45 PM
I thought I read that from the recent class action, part of the agreement the Power 5 agreed to was to allow the schools to pay players directly.

I've read many things that are not true.
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Billy Hoyle

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 07, 2024, 05:49:45 PM
I thought I read that from the recent class action, part of the agreement the Power 5 agreed to was to allow the schools to pay players directly.

It's not "NIL" but like an increased version of Cost of Attendance stipends. The amount will be capped too.
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forgetful

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 07, 2024, 05:49:45 PM
I thought I read that from the recent class action, part of the agreement the Power 5 agreed to was to allow the schools to pay players directly.

I wonder how administrations are going to handle this. An additional $21M in expenses to pay athletes is not a small amount. Will Universities just pilfer more money from tuition/fees? Or will they seek money from donors to cover the costs? If so, that would make a significant dent in donations that typically go to scholarships, research, etc.

Similarly, how does this impact NIL funds. If schools are having to increase athletic donations by $21M per year, how much is left out there for NIL?

It's a mess.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: forgetful on July 08, 2024, 08:45:13 PM
I wonder how administrations are going to handle this. An additional $21M in expenses to pay athletes is not a small amount. Will Universities just pilfer more money from tuition/fees? Or will they seek money from donors to cover the costs? If so, that would make a significant dent in donations that typically go to scholarships, research, etc.

Similarly, how does this impact NIL funds. If schools are having to increase athletic donations by $21M per year, how much is left out there for NIL?

It's a mess.

  I and a few others here correctly predicted this is going to really fudge up college sports and you're starting to see it right here.  the "rules", whatever they are, are going to continue to be stretched and legally challenged and stretched until...oh what the hell.  might as well start setting salary caps and tax penalties for the big 5 to pay when they blow past it. 

   you'll have NBA guys quitting the NBA to go back to school to get their "degrees"
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

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The Sultan

Quote from: forgetful on July 08, 2024, 08:45:13 PM
I wonder how administrations are going to handle this. An additional $21M in expenses to pay athletes is not a small amount. Will Universities just pilfer more money from tuition/fees? Or will they seek money from donors to cover the costs? If so, that would make a significant dent in donations that typically go to scholarships, research, etc.

Similarly, how does this impact NIL funds. If schools are having to increase athletic donations by $21M per year, how much is left out there for NIL?

It's a mess.

Some loaded questions there. "Pilfer?"

Anyway, it will be figured out. It usually is. My guess is the "haves" will further themselves from the "have nots." The ratings for college football will still be huge. Probably will grow with the new playoffs actually.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 08, 2024, 09:54:35 PM
  I and a few others here correctly predicted this is going to really fudge up college sports and you're starting to see it right here.  the "rules", whatever they are, are going to continue to be stretched and legally challenged and stretched until...oh what the hell.  might as well start setting salary caps and tax penalties for the big 5 to pay when they blow past it. 


No need to be a chicken-little about it. It will work itself out.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 09, 2024, 08:20:10 AM

No need to be a chicken-little about it. It will work itself out.

Like usual, roqqqet doesn't know what he's talking about
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Quote from: forgetful on July 08, 2024, 08:45:13 PM
I wonder how administrations are going to handle this. An additional $21M in expenses to pay athletes is not a small amount. Will Universities just pilfer more money from tuition/fees? Or will they seek money from donors to cover the costs? If so, that would make a significant dent in donations that typically go to scholarships, research, etc.

Similarly, how does this impact NIL funds. If schools are having to increase athletic donations by $21M per year, how much is left out there for NIL?

It's a mess.

They can learn to budget.

DFW HOYA

Quote from: forgetful on July 08, 2024, 08:45:13 PM
I wonder how administrations are going to handle this. An additional $21M in expenses to pay athletes is not a small amount. Will Universities just pilfer more money from tuition/fees? Or will they seek money from donors to cover the costs? If so, that would make a significant dent in donations that typically go to scholarships, research, etc.

P4 schools will make from $45 million (ACC, B12) to $85 million (B10, SEC) annually from its latest TV contracts. Add that in with potential CFP playoff opportunities, and no one is leaving the Big Ten or SEC because they can't afford it.

tower912

I always appreciate your different perspective.  I am curious what you say about scoop on Hoya message boards. 
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It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 09, 2024, 08:20:10 AM

No need to be a chicken-little about it. It will work itself out.

  i really don't give a flying fudgsicle what happens as i really have no control over it anyway, but just saying...my opinion is they have opened the floodgates to ruination of college athletics as we knew it.  granted, people have more money in their pockets-fine...just saying...
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 09, 2024, 04:26:21 PM
  i really don't give a flying fudgsicle what happens as i really have no control over it anyway, but just saying...my opinion is they have opened the floodgates to ruination of college athletics as we knew it.  granted, people have more money in their pockets-fine...just saying...


Define "ruination of college athletics as we knew it." What is going to be ruined and how?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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