NFL head coach GOAT

[MU82]

GOAT discussions bore me.

You much prefer Mount Rushmore discussions, I hear.

Lombardi, Belichick, Shula, Walsh?

Uh-oh ... no Halas there. D'oh!

[The Sultan]

Maybe. I think most people would agree with you. But coaching still comes down to relationships. That was Lombardi's strength. He didn't know more X's and O's Than other guys. Parcells is a more modern coach who was Lombardi-ish.

Tomlin also follows in that tradition and certain guys can't play for him, especially wide receivers. But I've never seen a 'tough guy' who wanted out in Pittsburgh because Tomlin was too hard on players.

Anyway, I'd put Shula, Lombardi, and Parcells ahead of Belichick.

Good points.

[tower912]

You much prefer Mount Rushmore discussions, I hear.

Lombardi, Belichick, Shula, Walsh?

Uh-oh ... no Halas there. D'oh!

Check your hearing.
Lombardi: Great coach
Hoodie Bill: Great Coach
Landry, Walsh, Cowher, Ditka, Shula, Tuna, etc...   Great coaches all.

[Jockey]

Check your hearing.
Lombardi: Great coach
Hoodie Bill: Great Coach
Landry, Walsh, Cowher, Ditka, Shula, Tuna, etc...   Great coaches all.

I think you got the answer. Maybe there wasn't a "greatest". Rather, there were a lot of greats.


Same could be said of almost every sport.

[MU82]

I think you got the answer. Maybe there wasn't a "greatest". Rather, there were a lot of greats.


Same could be said of almost every sport.

What fun is that? Gotta argue about this, and remember that my greatest is absolutely THE greatest!!!

[WhiteTrash]

Check your hearing.
Lombardi: Great coach
Hoodie Bill: Great Coach
Landry, Walsh, Cowher, Ditka, Shula, Tuna, etc...   Great coaches all.

I assumed the question was, as always, who is the GOAT after Ditka.

The relevant Ditka question is 'God or Ditka?'. Coin flip for me.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

I assumed the question was, as always, who is the GOAT after Ditka.

The relevant Ditka question is 'God or Ditka?'. Coin flip for me.

Definitely in the conversation for most overrated coach of all time.

[JWags85]

Definitely in the conversation for most overrated coach of all time.

Is he in the GOAT discussion?  Absolutely not.  But if you're talking coaches who coached over 100 games, his winning percentage in Chicago is top 12 all time.

I don't think anyone outside of Chicago meatballs think he's an all time legend.  But he was a very good coach in his prime.  Taking the Saints job was foolish and tarnished an otherwise very good coaching resume.  He's a prime example of a very good coach who also underachieved significantly.  Honestly, a lot of similarities with a similarly maligned Mike Tomlin.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Is he in the GOAT discussion?  Absolutely not.  But if you're talking coaches who coached over 100 games, his winning percentage in Chicago is top 12 all time.

I don't think anyone outside of Chicago meatballs think he's an all time legend.  But he was a very good coach in his prime.  Taking the Saints job was foolish and tarnished an otherwise very good coaching resume.  He's a prime example of a very good coach who also underachieved significantly.  Honestly, a lot of similarities with a similarly maligned Mike Tomlin.

Thanks buddy Ryan

[Jockey]

Is he in the GOAT discussion?  Absolutely not.  But if you're talking coaches who coached over 100 games, his winning percentage in Chicago is top 12 all time.

I don't think anyone outside of Chicago meatballs think he's an all time legend.  But he was a very good coach in his prime.  Taking the Saints job was foolish and tarnished an otherwise very good coaching resume.  He's a prime example of a very good coach who also underachieved significantly.  Honestly, a lot of similarities with a similarly maligned Mike Tomlin.

Thank you Jim Finks & Buddy Ryan,

Yours truly,
Michael D.

[WhiteTrash]

Definitely in the conversation for most overrated coach of all time.

Maybe Ditka is but Mini Ditka is awesome!

Pass me a kielbasa.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Definitely in the conversation for most overrated coach of all time.

True. God often disappoints

[lawdog77]

But who would win between a hurricane and Ditka?

[WhiteTrash]

But who would win between a hurricane and Ditka?

A hurricane named Michael?

[Herman Cain]

Lombardi =NFL Coach GOAT

He was not only an X and O Coach , he also motivated players to be their best. Many cited their post NFL career success to the lessons and foundations the coach built for them.

[Uncle Rico]

Lombardi =NFL Coach GOAT

He was not only an X and O Coach , he also motivated players to be their best. Many cited their post NFL career success to the lessons and foundations the coach built for them.

Yes, no other NFL coach did this for their players.

[MU82]

The Athletic makes a compelling case for Don Shula:

https://theathletic.com/5182515/2024/01/12/bill-belichick-don-shula-patriots-dolphins-colts/

[Uncle Rico]

He isn't, but he's worth mentioning, Andy Reid

[JWags85]

He isn't, but he's worth mentioning, Andy Reid

I think Andy Reid is the perfect example of someone who learned and grew a ton as a coach, but just needed a change of scenery, personnel, etc... to truly flourish. 

He was very good, but not great in Philly and then became great in a hurry in KC.  Sure he needed a generational QB to finally get a ring, but what he did even before Mahomes was super impressive.  KC made the playoffs 3 times in 15 years before he arrived.  He made it twice in his first 3 years and then hasn't lost the division since, now 8 in a row.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I think Andy Reid is the perfect example of someone who learned and grew a ton as a coach, but just needed a change of scenery, personnel, etc... to truly flourish. 

He was very good, but not great in Philly and then became great in a hurry in KC.  Sure he needed a generational QB to finally get a ring, but what he did even before Mahomes was super impressive.  KC made the playoffs 3 times in 15 years before he arrived.  He made it twice in his first 3 years and then hasn't lost the division since, now 8 in a row.

I would say he was able to transition from a defensive-minded coach to an innovative offensive coach. Plus, he is able to overcome the dumbness that is Matt Nagy.

[JWags85]

I would say he was able to transition from a defensive-minded coach to an innovative offensive coach. Plus, he is able to overcome the dumbness that is Matt Nagy.

Where do you get he was a defensive minded coach?  He's been the playcaller since early in his Eagles days, he was the one who pushed for them to draft McNabb when dual threat QBs were still in their infancy.  The Eagles were nearly always top 10, if not top 5/8 in the NFL in scoring when he was in charge.

But to the latter, overcoming Nagy is as compelling as an argument for him in the HoF as his SB wins.

[WhiteTrash]

Where do you get he was a defensive minded coach?  He's been the playcaller since early in his Eagles days, he was the one who pushed for them to draft McNabb when dual threat QBs were still in their infancy.  The Eagles were nearly always top 10, if not top 5/8 in the NFL in scoring when he was in charge.

But to the latter, overcoming Nagy is as compelling as an argument for him in the HoF as his SB wins.

Crazy that Nagy won NFL Coach of the Year. Hero to Zero in a snap.

[cheebs09]

Where do you get he was a defensive minded coach?  He's been the playcaller since early in his Eagles days, he was the one who pushed for them to draft McNabb when dual threat QBs were still in their infancy.  The Eagles were nearly always top 10, if not top 5/8 in the NFL in scoring when he was in charge.

But to the latter, overcoming Nagy is as compelling as an argument for him in the HoF as his SB wins.

Yea, Reid has always coached on the offensive side of the ball. I always remember his reputation being innovative offense, but not great on defense.

[Uncle Rico]

Yea, Reid has always coached on the offensive side of the ball. I always remember his reputation being innovative offense, but not great on defense.

He had a very good DC in Philly.  Jim Johnson was one of the best.

[Dr. Blackheart]

He had a very good DC in Philly.  Jim Johnson was one of the best.

Yes. My bad as I remembered Johnson's defenses and conservative games. That said, the RPO has been transformational